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2013 MLB game 155 thread: Cards at Brewers, Sat 9/21

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Posted: 9/19/2013 5:03 PM

2013 MLB game 155 thread: Cards at Brewers, Sat 9/21 


Lance Lynn (13-10, 4.18) vs. Yovani Gallardo (11-9, 4.29). 6:10 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 7:42 AM

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Need a strong seven out of Lynn tonight. Time to bench the rally killer David Freese. What's Kozma hitting this month, about .330? BTW, how many runners has Freese stranded the last two ball games?
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Posted: 9/21/2013 7:54 AM

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How many doubleplays did we hit into last night?  I know Beltran, Freese, and Molina all did.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 8:44 AM

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ageelaw wrote: Need a strong seven out of Lynn tonight. Time to bench the rally killer David Freese. What's Kozma hitting this month, about .330? BTW, how many runners has Freese stranded the last two ball games?
Pete Kozma in Sept.:  .269/.321/.308


David Freese in Sept:  .265/.343/.382


Carlos Beltran in Sept:  .197/.297/.262


Daniel Descalso in Sept:  .184/.216/.286



Don't think David Freese has been the rally killer.



Edit:  Freese's numbers are wrong (goof with BRef).  Here are the right ones

.278/.388/.463

Last edited 9/21/2013 11:03 AM by crdswmn

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Posted: 9/21/2013 10:31 AM

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crdswmn wrote:
ageelaw wrote: Need a strong seven out of Lynn tonight. Time to bench the rally killer David Freese. What's Kozma hitting this month, about .330? BTW, how many runners has Freese stranded the last two ball games?
Pete Kozma in Sept.:  .269/.321/.308


David Freese in Sept:  .265/.343/.382


Carlos Beltran in Sept:  .197/.297/.262


Daniel Descalso in Sept:  .184/.216/.286



Don't think David Freese has been the rally killer.
David Freese has come up with runners in scoring position time and again. Yes he has been a rally killer. More meaningless numbers that are so insignificant it's laughable.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 10:36 AM

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On a brighter note, it was exciting to see CMart take that baseball last night, glare in and bring the express. Funny, it suddenly put me in mind of the first Major League movie. Pete Vuchovich at the plate, two homers in two times at bat vs. Ricky Vaughn. With the old manager in the dugout and two strikes on the hitter, I often remember this line when one of the young flame throwers is in the game for the Cards. "Forget the curve ball Ricky, give him the heater!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4Nms6fqAA
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Posted: 9/21/2013 10:50 AM

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ageelaw wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
ageelaw wrote: Need a strong seven out of Lynn tonight. Time to bench the rally killer David Freese. What's Kozma hitting this month, about .330? BTW, how many runners has Freese stranded the last two ball games?
Pete Kozma in Sept.:  .269/.321/.308


David Freese in Sept:  .265/.343/.382


Carlos Beltran in Sept:  .197/.297/.262


Daniel Descalso in Sept:  .184/.216/.286



Don't think David Freese has been the rally killer.
David Freese has come up with runners in scoring position time and again. Yes he has been a rally killer. More meaningless numbers that are so insignificant it's laughable.
Facts and numbers are meaningless and insignificant when they contradict your perceptions?  I get it now.  eek1



By the way, I goofed on Freese's Sept numbers.  They are actually .278/.388./463.  He also has 9 RBIs so far this month.  He also has 2 HRs---that is tied with Holliday and Molina.  Only Adams has more.

Freese is also 4th highest in OPS on the team in Sept.  He is 4th in extra base hits, and has grounded into less double plays than Beltran, Descalso and Molina.


More meaningless facts to contradict your perceptions.

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Posted: 9/21/2013 11:21 AM

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ageelaw wrote: On a brighter note, it was exciting to see CMart take that baseball last night, glare in and bring the express. Funny, it suddenly put me in mind of the first Major League movie. Pete Vuchovich at the plate, two homers in two times at bat vs. Ricky Vaughn. With the old manager in the dugout and two strikes on the hitter, I often remember this line when one of the young flame throwers is in the game for the Cards. "Forget the curve ball Ricky, give him the heater!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4Nms6fqAA

I give Molina all the credit for that. Martinez came in last night looking scared and was wild with his first couple of pitches. Molina went to the mound and settled him down and basically told him to man up. Martinez then proceeded to mow the Brewers down. Yadi's visit to the mound doesn't show up in the box score but it probably saved the game.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:06 PM

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--- GScottAR wrote:


ageelaw wrote: On a brighter note, it was exciting to see CMart take that baseball last night, glare in and bring the express. Funny, it suddenly put me in mind of the first Major League movie. Pete Vuchovich at the plate, two homers in two times at bat vs. Ricky Vaughn. With the old manager in the dugout and two strikes on the hitter, I often remember this line when one of the young flame throwers is in the game for the Cards. "Forget the curve ball Ricky, give him the heater!"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4Nms6fqAA

I give Molina all the credit for that. Martinez came in last night looking scared and was wild with his first couple of pitches. Molina went to the mound and settled him down and basically told him to man up. Martinez then proceeded to mow the Brewers down. Yadi's visit to the mound doesn't show up in the box score but it probably saved the game.

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I agree that's why Molina's presence cannot be replaced.

Reminded me to go back and linked this article:
www.stltoday.com/sports/baseba...19bb30f31a.html
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:14 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
ageelaw wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
ageelaw wrote: Need a strong seven out of Lynn tonight. Time to bench the rally killer David Freese. What's Kozma hitting this month, about .330? BTW, how many runners has Freese stranded the last two ball games?
Pete Kozma in Sept.:  .269/.321/.308


David Freese in Sept:  .265/.343/.382


Carlos Beltran in Sept:  .197/.297/.262


Daniel Descalso in Sept:  .184/.216/.286



Don't think David Freese has been the rally killer.
David Freese has come up with runners in scoring position time and again. Yes he has been a rally killer. More meaningless numbers that are so insignificant it's laughable.
Facts and numbers are meaningless and insignificant when they contradict your perceptions?  I get it now.  eek1



By the way, I goofed on Freese's Sept numbers.  They are actually .278/.388./463.  He also has 9 RBIs so far this month.  He also has 2 HRs---that is tied with Holliday and Molina.  Only Adams has more.

Freese is also 4th highest in OPS on the team in Sept.  He is 4th in extra base hits, and has grounded into less double plays than Beltran, Descalso and Molina.


More meaningless facts to contradict your perceptions.
Ha, ha, comparing him to light hitting shortstops is laughable. And who hit the long fly ball last night to send the winning run scampering home? Hint, it wasn't Freese. Why don't you compare his numbers to other third basemen on contending teams in the major leagues. Freese is weak offensively at a position that is supposed to supply some pop for a ball club. But please, feel free to continue blah2
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:29 PM

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ageelaw wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
ageelaw wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
ageelaw wrote: Need a strong seven out of Lynn tonight. Time to bench the rally killer David Freese. What's Kozma hitting this month, about .330? BTW, how many runners has Freese stranded the last two ball games?
Pete Kozma in Sept.:  .269/.321/.308


David Freese in Sept:  .265/.343/.382


Carlos Beltran in Sept:  .197/.297/.262


Daniel Descalso in Sept:  .184/.216/.286



Don't think David Freese has been the rally killer.
David Freese has come up with runners in scoring position time and again. Yes he has been a rally killer. More meaningless numbers that are so insignificant it's laughable.
Facts and numbers are meaningless and insignificant when they contradict your perceptions?  I get it now.  eek1



By the way, I goofed on Freese's Sept numbers.  They are actually .278/.388./463.  He also has 9 RBIs so far this month.  He also has 2 HRs---that is tied with Holliday and Molina.  Only Adams has more.

Freese is also 4th highest in OPS on the team in Sept.  He is 4th in extra base hits, and has grounded into less double plays than Beltran, Descalso and Molina.


More meaningless facts to contradict your perceptions.
Ha, ha, comparing him to light hitting shortstops is laughable. And who hit the long fly ball last night to send the winning run scampering home? Hint, it wasn't Freese. Why don't you compare his numbers to other third basemen on contending teams in the major leagues. Freese is weak offensively at a position that is supposed to supply some pop for a ball club. But please, feel free to continue blah2
Please, feel free to create strawmen and change the argument.

I compared him to all other hitters on this team in September.  You pick out one player and create a strawman  

And how does Freese's numbers compared to 3B from other teams have anything to do with whether he is a rally killer on this team?  Another strawman.  You made a false statement on your original post and I refuted it with facts, so now it's time to change the subject?

Who ground into a double play with the bases loaded and one out last night?  Hint:  It wasn't Freese.


Back at ya.    blah2blah2blah2blah2blah2blah2blah2

Last edited 9/21/2013 12:33 PM by crdswmn

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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:31 PM

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I will be so glad when this baseball season is over.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:35 PM

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Bases EmptyN/A231N/A589144185500.251.311.351.661
Runners OnN/A211N/A59170453284512.280.375.417.792
RISPN/A125N/A30100145173211.240.342.344.686
RISP w/2 OutsN/A59N/A156011961310.254.333.407.740
Bases LoadedN/A14N/A3201121300.214.267.571.838

Last edited 9/21/2013 12:35 PM by grayssportsalmanac

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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:35 PM

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Jmodene1 wrote: I will be so glad when this baseball season is over.
You know, it really wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for a few monumentally obtuse people.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:37 PM

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above are freese's risp #s for the year, I dont know if anyone has them sortable by month/week etc.

Not great, not terrible. I dont know what either of you are arguing here because honestly, neither of you dont have the correct stats to support your claim(s)...
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:37 PM

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grayssportsalmanac wrote:
Bases Empty N/A 231 N/A 58 9 1 4 4 18 55 0 0 .251 .311 .351 .661
Runners On N/A 211 N/A 59 17 0 4 53 28 45 1 2 .280 .375 .417 .792
RISP N/A 125 N/A 30 10 0 1 45 17 32 1 1 .240 .342 .344 .686
RISP w/2 Outs N/A 59 N/A 15 6 0 1 19 6 13 1 0 .254 .333 .407 .740
Bases Loaded N/A 14 N/A 3 2 0 1 12 1 3 0 0 .214 .267 .571 .838
And?  That is for the season, which wasn't the original argument.  The argument was whether Freese is now, this month, a rally killer.

My numbers were for now, this month, not all season.

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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:47 PM

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ageelaw should have had stats to back up his case, he did not...

but saying (paraphrase without looking back) that freese has 4 extra base hits and has 9 rbis this month doesnt do a whole lot to counter his claim that freese has been a rally killer. Id like to see the stats above for this month, I looked for 5 min then got sucked into footballbiggrin
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:58 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
Jmodene1 wrote: I will be so glad when this baseball season is over.
You know, it really wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for a few monumentally obtuse people.

Yes. 

One has to wonder, as a questioner did on Gordo's chat yesterday, how the current fan base will react if the Cards ever really have a bad season; i.e., the 72-90 record we posted in 1976 or the last place finish we had in 1990.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:58 PM

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grayssportsalmanac wrote: ageelaw should have had stats to back up his case, he did not...

but saying (paraphrase without looking back) that freese has 4 extra base hits and has 9 rbis this month doesnt do a whole lot to counter his claim that freese has been a rally killer. Id like to see the stats above for this month, I looked for 5 min then got sucked into footballbiggrin
I have never found a database that breaks down RISP by month.

Freese's 9 RBIs compares to 10 each for Carpenter, Beltran and Molina during the same time period.  Since there has to be runners on base to get an RBI, Freese has been no more a rally killer than either of the three aforementioned.  And Beltran has hit a lot worse overall.
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Posted: 9/21/2013 1:04 PM

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The problem with our offense is not the so-called "rally killers" in the lineup - just about everyone has contributed from time to time, including Carpenter (0-6 the other day) and Molina and Holliday and Beltran and yes, Freese and Kozma.

The problem is the inconsistency with which our offense performs. 

We're averaging 4.83 runs per game through the first 154 games of this season, which sounds good until you realize that we get there by scoring 12 runs one day, 1 run the next two days, 7 runs the fourth day, 0 runs the fifth day and 9 runs the 6th day. (speaking hyperbolically; these numbers should not be taken as gospel but as mere illustrations)

I'd rather we score 4 or 5 runs every game on a consistent basis.  Our pitching is good enough for us to win most of our games on that basis.

(Yes, I know that all teams are inconsistent and are going to have highs and lows when it comes to offensive consistency.  It just seems like ours is more extreme than the typical team.)
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