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2014 Community top prospect list voting thread

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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:50 AM

2014 Community top prospect list voting thread 


It is again time for the annual The Cardinal Nation community vote for its top prospects!

For those of you new to The Cardinal Nation, this is how it works.  For the eighth consecutive year, TheCardinalNation.com user community will develop its own end of season top prospect list. 


It is different than the "top 40' list that is put together by The Cardinal Nation staff in that this is done by a community vote, but it is included in overall site rankings for 2014 that will roll out during the winter.  


The process starts with you choosing the number 1 prospect by simple majority vote (one vote per person per ranking). After approximately a 36-hour period, one of the designated list volunteers will tabulate the votes, declare the #1 prospect and open the same process for the #2 prospect. The voting will continue to at least 40, but can be extended to 50 or even 60, depending on interest level at the time.


Voters are always encouraged to explain the reasons for their selections and try to influence others. This can help educate everyone about the particular merits of a prospect.

Players eligible include all those in the Cardinals system that have not either pitched more than 50 innings in the majors or have more than 130 major league at bats.

The following are eligible:

Martinez, Gast, Siegrist, Freeman, Butler, Wong, Chambers, Curtis, Jackson

Those not eligible include:
Rosenthal, Miller, Wacha, Lyons, Maness, Kozma, Adams

If you have any questions about the process, please ask them on the admin thread. This thread is for voting and discussing the merits of the prospects.


We will keep a running list of the rankings here.

#1 Oscar Taveras
#2 Carlos Martinez
#3 Kolten Wong
(*#4 Kevin Siegrist - major leaguer)
#5 Stephen Piscotty
#6 Alex Reyes
#7 Marco Gonzales
#8 Rob Kaminsky
#9 Carson Kelly
#10 Tyrell Jenkins
#10a Randal Grichuk - acquired via trade on 11/22
#11 James Ramsey
#12 Charlie Tilson
#13 Greg Garcia
#14 Lee Stoppelman
#15 John Gast
#16 Patrick Wisdom
#17 Tim Cooney
#18 Cory Jones
#19 Mike O'Neill
#20 Sam Freeman
#21 Zach Petrick
#22 Tommy Pham
#23 Dixon Llorens
#24 Kenny Peoples-Walls
#25 Edmundo Sosa
#26 Breyvic Valera
#27 Sam Tuivailala
#28 Jordan Swagerty
#29 Oscar Mercado
(*#30 Ryan Jackson - left org via waivers)
#31 Ian McKinney
#32 Boone Whiting
#33 Steven Farinaro
#34 Mike Mayers
#35 Anthony Garcia
#36 David Popkins
#37 Jacob Wilson
#38 Malik Collymore
#39 Jonathan Rodriguez
#40 Steve Bean
#41 Juan Herrera
#42 Jose Almarante
#43 Ronald Castillo
#44 Victor De Leon
#45 Keith Butler
#46 C.J. McElroy
#47 Starlin Rodriguez
#48 Fernando Baez
#49 Casey Rasmus
#50 Colin Walsh
#51 Sam Gaviglio
#52 Eric Fornataro
#53 Rowan Wick
#54 Ricardo Bautista
#55 Nick Petree
#56 Joey Butler
#57 Jimmy Bosco
#58 Seth Blair
#59 Audry Perez
#60 Alex Mejia


Here is the link to the first of last year’s two voting threads. They have both been permanently saved on the archives board.

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Last edited 12/24/2013 12:16 AM by Domeboys

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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:10 AM

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Here is last year's list (not eligible for 2014 in blue):

#1  Oscar Taveras
#2  Shelby Miller 
#3  Trevor Rosenthal
#4  Carlos Martinez
#5  Michael Wacha
#6  Matt Adams
#7  Kolten Wong
#8  Tyrell Jenkins
#9  Anthony Garcia
#10 Carson Kelly
#11 Greg Garcia
#12 Jordan Swagerty
#13 Starlin Rodriguez
#14 Seth Maness
#15 Pete Kozma
#16 Breyvic Valera
#17 Ryan Jackson
#18 John Gast
#19 Stephen Piscotty
#20 Patrick Wisdom
#21 Kevin Siegrist
#22 Charlie Tilson
#23 James Ramsey
#24 Boone Whiting
#25 Adron Chambers
#26 Eduardo Sanchez
#27 Sam Freeman
#28 Maikel Cleto
#29 Victor De Leon
#30 Dixon Llorens
#31 C.J. McElroy
#32 Eric Fornataro
#33 Tim Cooney
#34 Seth Blair
#35 Lee Stoppelman
#36 Audry Perez
#37 Adam Ehrlich
#38 Steve Bean
#39 Alex Mejia
#40 Tyler Lyons
#41 Mike O'Neill
#42 Silfredo Garcia
#43 Colin Walsh
#44 Keith Butler
#45 Jorge Rondon
#46 Robert Stock
#47 Jeremy Schaffer
#48 Michael Blazek
#49 Kenny Peoples-Walls
#50 Scott Gorgen
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:30 AM

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I'll vote OT at #1.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:41 AM

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Thanks for putting that list together Forsch, it's very helpful.  By the way, I think we're going to look back at that 2012 list in 5 years and realize just how deep our farm was that year.  I wouldn't be surprised if that list alone could field an entire MLB roster.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:48 AM

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I have no idea where I'd slot Marco Gonzales at.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:54 AM

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Gonzales and Kaminsky both were encased in bubble wrap from the moment they signed, so we didn't really find out anything beyond what they did in college/high school.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:03 AM

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blingboy wrote: Gonzales and Kaminsky both were encased in bubble wrap from the moment they signed, so we didn't really find out anything beyond what they did in college/high school.

Kaminsky is much younger though and compares to Miller in the pre-2010 vote, Jenkins in pre-2012, and Reyes this year.

Gonzales would compare to Wacha, but he didn't really pitch as well as Wacha as a Cardinal, so who knows.

Gonzales has thrown about 130 innings in each of the last three years between College and USA summer ball and now at Palm Beach.

Last edited 9/16/2013 11:04 AM by PadsFS

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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:14 AM

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OT #1. He still put together a great year despite missing a lot of time with his ankle.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:42 AM

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Despite the advances that Martinez made this year, I still go with OT for #1 this year. Hope he comes to Spring completely healed and ready to try to make the Big Club.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:55 AM

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It will be interesting how our 1st round picks from this year compares to the 1st rounders from a few years ago? I personally would have to think that Piscotty would be ranked higher than anyone that was drafted last year as he's already performed well and his upside is at least equal to Gonzalez and Kamansky.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:59 AM

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Oscar Taveras,Even though he was injured he still put up good numbers when he played.
A vote for Oscar Taveras.

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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:16 PM

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My vote is for Carlos Martinez. I'd rather not give the top ranking to a player on the DL. Also, those reported mental lapses in the outfield that have been reported here bother me.

Last edited 9/16/2013 12:18 PM by mudville

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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:33 PM

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Just a reminder for those who are fairly new to the process: please clearly state who you are voting for in your post. This is to help with the tabulation of votes.

Don't assume that just because you are talking about a player in the post that the moderators can tell you are voting for him. There is a lot of discussion of players that goes on so it is not always easy to tell whether you are voting or you are just discussing.

(This is aimed at no one in particular. It is just something that came to mind.)
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Posted: 9/16/2013 1:10 PM

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I'll go with Taveras same as last year... if martinez hadn't struggled some at the big league level i'd have voted for him.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:11 PM

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I'm thinking that Taveras is benefiting from the lack of a compelling alternative for the top spot.  His numbers at Memphis were good, but not spectacular.

Taveras slash line at AAA:  .306/.341/.462/.803 
Adams slash line at AAA:    .329/.362/.624/.986

Martinez was far from the most impressive rookie pitcher we saw this year.  He appeared 15 times and there was nothing exciting about his numbers.

As far as who might be most likely to have a high impact MLB career, I am tempted to jump Siegrist over everybody.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:15 PM

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Taveras
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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:43 PM

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--- blingboy wrote:

I'm thinking that Taveras is benefiting from the lack of a compelling alternative for the top spot.  His numbers at Memphis were good, but not spectacular.

Taveras slash line at AAA:  .306/.341/.462/.803 
Adams slash line at AAA:    .329/.362/.624/.986

Martinez was far from the most impressive rookie pitcher we saw this year.  He appeared 15 times and there was nothing exciting about his numbers.

As far as who might be most likely to have a high impact MLB career, I am tempted to jump Siegrist over everybody.

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I wonder what Taveras would OPS in AAA by the time he's 23 years old like Adams was that year

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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:46 PM

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blingboy wrote: I'm thinking that Taveras is benefiting from the lack of a compelling alternative for the top spot.  His numbers at Memphis were good, but not spectacular.

Taveras slash line at AAA:  .306/.341/.462/.803 
Adams slash line at AAA:    .329/.362/.624/.986

Martinez was far from the most impressive rookie pitcher we saw this year.  He appeared 15 times and there was nothing exciting about his numbers.

As far as who might be most likely to have a high impact MLB career, I am tempted to jump Siegrist over everybody.
siegrist is in my top 4... but you have to have upside in there too.  i think siegrist is an all star reliever, but taveras, martinez and wong are IMO higher ceiling.

Not that siegrist has anything more to prove as a prospect, i just think he should stay at reliever.... which puts him "lower" on a fairly loaded list.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:47 PM

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blingboy wrote: I'm thinking that Taveras is benefiting from the lack of a compelling alternative for the top spot.  His numbers at Memphis were good, but not spectacular.

Taveras slash line at AAA:  .306/.341/.462/.803 
Adams slash line at AAA:    .329/.362/.624/.986

Martinez was far from the most impressive rookie pitcher we saw this year.  He appeared 15 times and there was nothing exciting about his numbers.

As far as who might be most likely to have a high impact MLB career, I am tempted to jump Siegrist over everybody.
I agree he was helped by a lack of an alternative but really would the #2 prospect in baseball lose his spot as the Top in our organization simply because he had a very unlucky year regarding health and injuries?  Sure it was a lost year in terms of production and development but it's not like he stunk it up at AAA.  A good deal of the games he played this year he was already injured and trying to grind it out.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:47 PM

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PadsFS wrote: I wonder what Taveras would OPS in AAA by the time he's 23 years old like Adams was that year
I hope we don't find out (because he's doing that in our outfield).
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