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2013 MLB game 145 thread: Brewers at Cards, Wed 9/11

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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:47 PM

2013 MLB game 145 thread: Brewers at Cards, Wed 9/11 


Lance Lynn (13-10, 4.37) vs. Marco Estrada (6-4, 4.49). 7:15 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:35 PM

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So they're really gonna give Lynn another chance, eh?
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Posted: 9/9/2013 9:44 AM

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This has loss written all over it.  I'd start Martinez.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 10:00 AM

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Lynn has been good enough, long enough, that I'm okay keeping him out there for now. But he certainly needs to step up his game if he wants to remain in the rotation.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 10:00 AM

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Or Lyons.

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This has loss written all over it.  I'd start Martinez.

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Posted: 9/9/2013 10:02 AM

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Given that the brewers are a significantly worse team than the ones we've been playing the last several weeks...  his last 8 starts have had 6 against pitt, atl, and cinci. 

Yeah, ok, milwaukee can hit a bit but they're only 20th in runs (atlanta is 12th, cincinatti is 10th and pittsburgh is about the same at 22nd).  and you get them in our park instead of milwaukee's bandbox.  martinez hasn't exactly been great either.

Last time against milwaukee he gave up 4 runs in 6 innings.  i would hope our offense could do better than that against a worse pitcher.

point with all this?  lynn hasn't been our best pitcher but you can explain a lot of his ills the last couple months as saying he's been pitching against good teams.

Note : Not really an excuse, but he's not the bum people want to see him as.  Nothing wrong with being a league average pitcher.  Would be nice to see him step up though.

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Posted: 9/9/2013 12:57 PM

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Lynn is a liability now. If he can't be successful against good teams, what in the ever loving world is he good for period. Save him for bad teams?excited
Mo more or less said on the radio the other night that this start will tell the tale on Lynn for this season. And I quote Mo, "Madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:37 PM

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all it means is he's an average pitcher.

kyle lohse (career 4.38 era which incidentally is higher than lynn's), suppan etc. were all average pitchers for a long time and took a step forward after a few years -- whether that is because they learned to pitch or they learned a different pitch it doesn't matter.

no reason lynn can't do the same at some point...

he's an ok pitcher.  i'm fine with trading him at some point if he gets us what we need given our other options.  that doesn't mean you have to bash him because i can virtually guaruntee that at least 25 other teams would love to have him.

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Posted: 9/9/2013 7:23 PM

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The St. Louis Cardinals announced today that the team, in conjunction with Major League Baseball and Bank of America (#troopthanks), is offering all active and retired military, as well as all emergency first responders free tickets to the Wednesday, September 11th and Thursday, September 12th games vs. Milwaukee to commemorate the 12th Anniversary of September 11, 2001.

Active and retired members of the military, as well as emergency first responders may go to cardinals.com/heroes to obtain up to six free tickets to each of the games with the print-at-home option. The offer extends to any active or retired member of the United States Armed Services, as well as any individual who works directly as a first responder (police, firefighter or emergency service personnel), any individual who works for an emergency first responder agency or any individual who has an immediate family member who serves as an emergency first responder or serves in the military.

The military offer is in addition to the club’s daily game policy to provide a free ticket any active member of the U.S. Armed Forces.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 8:20 AM

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brianpnoonan wrote: all it means is he's an average pitcher.

kyle lohse (career 4.38 era which incidentally is higher than lynn's), suppan etc. were all average pitchers for a long time and took a step forward after a few years -- whether that is because they learned to pitch or they learned a different pitch it doesn't matter.

no reason lynn can't do the same at some point...

he's an ok pitcher.  i'm fine with trading him at some point if he gets us what we need given our other options.  that doesn't mean you have to bash him because i can virtually guaruntee that at least 25 other teams would love to have him.
Good!  They can have him and cheap.  He can follow Boggs.  He's not an "ok" pitcher. he's a head case and a loser. He could cost us home field and/or the division. He needs to be out of the rotation and soon.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 8:43 AM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote:
Good!  They can have him and cheap.  He can follow Boggs.  He's not an "ok" pitcher. he's a head case and a loser. He could cost us home field and/or the division. He needs to be out of the rotation and soon.
If teams threw away every "head case" that lost it in the short term for whatever reason there would be a long list of really good players thrown away with the true junk.

I fully agree that he's fallen apart relatively speaking.  He's not the first or the last and flat out needs to pitch better.  Do I think he will?  eh... not sure honestly.  I hope so.

But that attitude of yours is pathetic.  The only reason someone with lynn's production over the last 2 years is even in the conversation of being traded is that our organizational depth is obscene.  You don't need to try to justify "getting rid of someone" who hasn't pitched all that badly overall the last 2 years by bashing them.  being traded is just part of baseball.

heck, i know some on here were wanting to trade him for a shortstop last offseason.  there's nothing wrong with that line of thought.  nothing.  but you don't have to talk him down and call him crap in the process.

his career ERA is still under 4.00.  beyond respectable for any major league career.  and he's not rick ankiel by any stretch of the imagination.  it's not necessary to try and portray him as such.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 8:47 AM

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i would also add that it's interesting how well the "loser" pitched in the postseason in 2011...
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Posted: 9/11/2013 7:30 AM

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I understand that Lynn is the worry de jour, but let us think about Mujica for a minute.

Since he did those three 2 inning saves in a five day stretch in mid august, he has appeared 8 times. Two of those were one batter, 1/3 inning affairs, succussfully accomplished. But lets look at the 6 'regular' one inning appearances. (One of them was 1 1/3 innings). Over those 6.1 innings he gave up 10 hits and 5 earned runs, including 2 homers. He struck out 1 and hit a batter.

Not good work from your closer. But is he pulling out of it? Not really. In his last 4 times out he has gone a total of 3.1 innings, giving up 6 hits and 4 earned runs. No strike outs and a blown save. It took him 50 pitches to get through 3.1 innings.
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Posted: 9/11/2013 8:55 AM

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If Lynn pitches a 5 hit shutout tonight he will be the ace of the staff.
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Posted: 9/11/2013 9:05 AM

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RatsBuddy wrote: If Lynn pitches a 5 hit shutout tonight he will be the ace of the staff.
It'd be about time, we haven't had one since Gibson!  tongue
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Posted: 9/11/2013 9:32 AM

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RatsBuddy wrote: If Lynn pitches a 5 hit shutout tonight he will be the ace of the staff.
I hope he lays some WHIP on them.  Or is it FIP?  FOP, WHOP, whatever it is that matters.

(Yo, Lance, just win, baby)
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Posted: 9/11/2013 11:04 AM

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blingboy wrote:
RatsBuddy wrote: If Lynn pitches a 5 hit shutout tonight he will be the ace of the staff.
I hope he lays some WHIP on them.  Or is it FIP?  FOP, WHOP, whatever it is that matters.

(Yo, Lance, just win, baby)
Hopefully the medical staff has bled him to release the evil humors.

Rat, I think your abacus is malfunctioning.  5 hits is too many to be an ace.

Last edited 9/11/2013 11:20 AM by crdswmn

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Posted: 9/11/2013 11:05 AM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote:
brianpnoonan wrote: all it means is he's an average pitcher.

kyle lohse (career 4.38 era which incidentally is higher than lynn's), suppan etc. were all average pitchers for a long time and took a step forward after a few years -- whether that is because they learned to pitch or they learned a different pitch it doesn't matter.

no reason lynn can't do the same at some point...

he's an ok pitcher.  i'm fine with trading him at some point if he gets us what we need given our other options.  that doesn't mean you have to bash him because i can virtually guaruntee that at least 25 other teams would love to have him.
Good!  They can have him and cheap.  He can follow Boggs.  He's not an "ok" pitcher. he's a head case and a loser. He could cost us home field and/or the division. He needs to be out of the rotation and soon.

Calling a player on the team you root for a loser shows what kind of fan you are and what kind of person you truly are.  Lance Lynn has a family, a mom and dad and siblings.  He has been a great addition to the family of the St. Louis Cardinals and loves the city and the fans.  Say he is a bad pitcher or whatever you want associated with baseball if you really have to, but to say someone is a loser shows what kind of person you are.
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Posted: 9/11/2013 11:20 AM

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illini122002 wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote:
brianpnoonan wrote: all it means is he's an average pitcher.

kyle lohse (career 4.38 era which incidentally is higher than lynn's), suppan etc. were all average pitchers for a long time and took a step forward after a few years -- whether that is because they learned to pitch or they learned a different pitch it doesn't matter.

no reason lynn can't do the same at some point...

he's an ok pitcher.  i'm fine with trading him at some point if he gets us what we need given our other options.  that doesn't mean you have to bash him because i can virtually guaruntee that at least 25 other teams would love to have him.
Good!  They can have him and cheap.  He can follow Boggs.  He's not an "ok" pitcher. he's a head case and a loser. He could cost us home field and/or the division. He needs to be out of the rotation and soon.

Calling a player on the team you root for a loser shows what kind of fan you are and what kind of person you truly are.  Lance Lynn has a family, a mom and dad and siblings.  He has been a great addition to the family of the St. Louis Cardinals and loves the city and the fans.  Say he is a bad pitcher or whatever you want associated with baseball if you really have to, but to say someone is a loser shows what kind of person you are.
What I find ironic is that if you're looking to describe Lynn as a "winner" or "loser" from a purely baseball stat perspective, Lynn is a winner based on his 13-10 record this year and 32-18 career mark.  Now that's not a good indicator on if he'll win or lose games going forward, but calling him a loser seems to be very inappropriate on several levels.
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Posted: 9/11/2013 11:26 AM

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WOW this is an amazing thing for our club to do.  I love the way this organization is run and it makes me proud to be a Cardinal fan.  Do you know if any other teams are doing the same thing?
Domeboys wrote: The St. Louis Cardinals announced today that the team, in conjunction with Major League Baseball and Bank of America (#troopthanks), is offering all active and retired military, as well as all emergency first responders free tickets to the Wednesday, September 11th and Thursday, September 12th games vs. Milwaukee to commemorate the 12th Anniversary of September 11, 2001.

Active and retired members of the military, as well as emergency first responders may go to cardinals.com/heroes to obtain up to six free tickets to each of the games with the print-at-home option. The offer extends to any active or retired member of the United States Armed Services, as well as any individual who works directly as a first responder (police, firefighter or emergency service personnel), any individual who works for an emergency first responder agency or any individual who has an immediate family member who serves as an emergency first responder or serves in the military.

The military offer is in addition to the club’s daily game policy to provide a free ticket any active member of the U.S. Armed Forces.
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