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2013 MLB game 141 thread: Bucs at Cards, Fri 9/6

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Posted: 9/5/2013 10:26 PM

2013 MLB game 141 thread: Bucs at Cards, Fri 9/6 


Joe Kelly (7-3, 2.82) vs. A.J. Burnett (7-9, 3.09). 7:15 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:43 AM

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Question for you baseball aficionados.  The Pirates have already won the season series with the Cards taking 10 of 16 with 3 to go.  Does that mean anything in division or wild card tie breakers or would the two teams play an extra game to determine the division winner if they ended up tied after 162 games?
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Posted: 9/6/2013 8:08 AM

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diener wrote: Question for you baseball aficionados.  The Pirates have already won the season series with the Cards taking 10 of 16 with 3 to go.  Does that mean anything in division or wild card tie breakers or would the two teams play an extra game to determine the division winner if they ended up tied after 162 games?
There would be a tie breaker game.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 8:20 AM

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Yeah, baseball does not use "best record vs opponent" to break ties.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 9:41 AM

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bicyclemike wrote: Yeah, baseball does not use "best record vs opponent" to break ties.

I think it does at some point doesnt it? As in, say there were three teams tied for the last wildcard spot, there wouldnt be a playoff to get into the playoff...
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:22 AM

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Honestly, if we take 2 of 3 this weekend you have to like our chances at the division.  Cinci and the bucs play each other 6 times in the last 9 games and we've got exactly one series against a winning team the last 3 weeks (and that's the nationals who could very well be under .500 by then).

incidentally, the reds play the dodgers this weekend.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 10:56 AM

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grayssportsalmanac wrote:
bicyclemike wrote: Yeah, baseball does not use "best record vs opponent" to break ties.

I think it does at some point doesnt it? As in, say there were three teams tied for the last wildcard spot, there wouldnt be a playoff to get into the playoff...
It won't matter unless someone completely collapses.

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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:36 AM

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grayssportsalmanac wrote:
bicyclemike wrote: Yeah, baseball does not use "best record vs opponent" to break ties.

I think it does at some point doesnt it? As in, say there were three teams tied for the last wildcard spot, there wouldnt be a playoff to get into the playoff...
In that case there would be a two game elimination playoff.  Series records would then determine who plays who first.

The only time there wouldn't need to be a play off game is when the 2 wild card teams in a league are tied with each other.  Then best series record determines HFA and they just play each other as they would if they weren't tied. 

So, if the Cardinals and the Reds end the regular season as the two WC teams and they have identical regular season records, the Cardinals would get HFA because they are ahead 11-8 in the series record.

Series records are used to determine HFA and playoff seeding.

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Posted: 9/6/2013 11:40 AM

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I'm going to answer my own question.  Here is information from wikipedia.

Tiebreaker could matter for home field advantage between the two wild card teams.

However, with the implementation of a second wild card berth and wild card game beginning in the 2012 season, the non-division winner with the best record in the league now faces the possibility of elimination on the first day of the postseason. As a result, the tie-breaking rules were changed so that two teams tied for a division championship must play a tie breaking game even if both teams have already qualified for the postseason. The team losing the tie-break would qualify for a wildcard berth only if its regular season record is one of the two best records of teams from each league that are not division champions. If the losing team's regular season record is tied with a team outside the division for the second wild card spot, a second tie-break would be held between the team losing the division championship tie-break and the team outside the division with the same record to determine the final wild card spot.

Starting in 2012, two wildcard teams are selected from each league. If these two teams are tied with each other (and with no other teams) at the end of the regular season, no tie-breaking game is played. Home field advantage in the wild card game is awarded according to tie-breakers outlined in the next section.

breaking ties without playoff games[edit source | editbeta]

  1. The team with the best record in head to head play.
  2. The team with the best overall record in intradivision games.
  3. The team with the best record in the final 81 games of the season, ignoring interleague play.
  4. The team with the best record in the final 82 games of the season (providing the game added is not between the tied teams), extending backward until the tie is broken (Interleague games are skipped and ignored in this process.)
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Posted: 9/6/2013 12:19 PM

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I think it's critical,
very critical that Cards win the 1st game (vs the Pirates tonight),

because if the Cards get swept by the Pirates, we will have trouble even being a wild Card team....
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Posted: 9/6/2013 12:54 PM

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hardheaded wrote: I think it's critical,
very critical that Cards win the 1st game (vs the Pirates tonight),

because if the Cards get swept by the Pirates, we will have trouble even being a wild Card team....

You have to either be kidding or not realize how hard it would be for the Cardinals to not make it to the playoffs.

The Cardinals have 22 games remaining.  If they win 1 out of every 3 games from here on out, they would have a record of 87-75.  The Mets and Colorado have already lost 75 games, so they would have to win the rest of their games just to tie.  Washington and Arizona are both 71-68 so they would have to go 16-7 to tie.  All the other teams except for Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, LA and Atlanta have lost 77 games or more.

The chances of the Cardinals NOT making the playoffs is VERY slim.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 1:53 PM

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diener wrote:

I'm going to answer my own question.  Here is information from wikipedia.

Tiebreaker could matter for home field advantage between the two wild card teams.

However, with the implementation of a second wild card berth and wild card game beginning in the 2012 season, the non-division winner with the best record in the league now faces the possibility of elimination on the first day of the postseason. As a result, the tie-breaking rules were changed so that two teams tied for a division championship must play a tie breaking game even if both teams have already qualified for the postseason. The team losing the tie-break would qualify for a wildcard berth only if its regular season record is one of the two best records of teams from each league that are not division champions. If the losing team's regular season record is tied with a team outside the division for the second wild card spot, a second tie-break would be held between the team losing the division championship tie-break and the team outside the division with the same record to determine the final wild card spot.

Starting in 2012, two wildcard teams are selected from each league. If these two teams are tied with each other (and with no other teams) at the end of the regular season, no tie-breaking game is played. Home field advantage in the wild card game is awarded according to tie-breakers outlined in the next section.

breaking ties without playoff games[edit source | editbeta]

  1. The team with the best record in head to head play.
  2. The team with the best overall record in intradivision games.
  3. The team with the best record in the final 81 games of the season, ignoring interleague play.
  4. The team with the best record in the final 82 games of the season (providing the game added is not between the tied teams), extending backward until the tie is broken (Interleague games are skipped and ignored in this process.)
Sheesh, what a mess. I really do not like baseball's playoff system with this second wild card team, even though it benefitted us last year.

Basically though, if I skimmed through that correctly, MLB does not use records to determine who gets in, only for home field determination.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 5:06 PM

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I like the pitching matchups. Cards need two of three at a minimum this weekend. Several old boys from West Tennessee have driven up today to bring the Birds luck tonight. 

Sep 6Joe KellyA.J. Burnett
Sep 7Adam WainwrightJeff Locke
Sep 8Michael WachaCharlie Morton
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Posted: 9/6/2013 5:22 PM

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The Cardinals are in a great position to sweep this series if they can only...
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:03 PM

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Cheer up.



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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:47 PM

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Actually, they do - if the two teams are both going into the postseason; they will use head-to-head to determine seeding - that's what happened in 2001, when we finished tied with Houston but went into postseason seeded as the wildcard.
bicyclemike wrote: Yeah, baseball does not use "best record vs opponent" to break ties.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:12 PM

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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:35 PM

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The goal tonight for the Cardinals batters is to avoid getting behind in counts to Burnett who has great strikeout stuff and can put you away with that slider.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:37 PM

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Cardinals take early 2-0 lead after ball gets passed McCutchen in center.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:37 PM

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Ha ha, McCucheon looked like a little leaguer on that one hopper.
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