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2013 MLB game 127 thread: Braves at Cards, Thu 8/22

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Posted: 8/21/2013 6:00 PM

2013 MLB game 127 thread: Braves at Cards, Thu 8/22 


Joe Kelly (4-3, 3.01) vs. Paul Maholm (9-9, 4.41). 7:15 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest, MLB Network and KMOX.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 8:20 AM

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This is a compelling matchup. Heyward is out, but Upton is back. The Braves are the only team to beat Kelly since he was added to the rotation. Maholm is coming back off the DL, but doesn't play well on the road or against St. Louis. Then again, St. Louis has lost 8 of 9 regular season games against the Braves, who dramatically shut down our offense not long ago. Then there's Yadi vs Johnson, the two league leaders in batting average.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 8:46 AM

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could be the wildest 17 game stretch, in probably the last 20+ years....

Atlanta (4) - home
Cincy (3) - home

Pittsburgh (3) - away
Cincy (4) - away

Pittsburgh (3) - home
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Posted: 8/22/2013 9:32 AM

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DMENS wrote:  Heyward is out, but Upton is back.
Heyward is a major loss to the Braves.  The Braves had gone 19-4 since they inserted Heyward into the leadoff spot, the alternatives for the Braves have poor OBP. Additionally, Heyward is an exceptional defensive player. 

The dropoff to his replacement is sharp
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Posted: 8/22/2013 9:53 AM

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It's crazy to think that this is Heyward's 4th major league season and he still hasn't topped that rookie year when he was 20.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 10:03 AM

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Catman61 wrote:
DMENS wrote:  Heyward is out, but Upton is back.
Heyward is a major loss to the Braves.  The Braves had gone 19-4 since they inserted Heyward into the leadoff spot, the alternatives for the Braves have poor OBP. Additionally, Heyward is an exceptional defensive player. 

The dropoff to his replacement is sharp


Evan Gattis and Jordan Schafer aren't bad at all this year. Gattis has 15 HRs. Schafer has a .375 OBP. He was a top prospect at one time too. He's much better against RHP as well, while Reed Johnson is tops against LHP. I bet we see Johnson replace him if Siegrist, Lyons, or Choate come in to pitch.

I imagine Schafer leads off followed by J. Upton, Freeman, McCann, Johnson, etc

BJ Upton really hurts them if he's not going to hit better than Gattis.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 10:12 AM

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For all the mind-numbing complaining about Matheny, it's interesting to see the Reds lose a starter in Cingrani (back) and a reliever (Broxton) although Marshall and Cueto are starting their rehab throwing.

Not only that, but the Pirates seem to be fading a bit (9-10 W-L in August) especially with Marte out.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 10:47 AM

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PadsFS wrote: For all the mind-numbing complaining about Matheny, it's interesting to see the Reds lose a starter in Cingrani (back) and a reliever (Broxton) although Marshall and Cueto are starting their rehab throwing.

Not only that, but the Pirates seem to be fading a bit (9-10 W-L in August) especially with Marte out.
Huh? What does any of this have to do with Mike Matheny?

GO CARDS!
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Posted: 8/22/2013 10:58 AM

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Gattis last 28 days .196/.262/.232/.494
Schafer last 28 days .136/.240/.136/.376

Schafer's 3 yr split batting leadoff is .241/.306/.317/.623

the Braves other leadoff hitters had combined .296 OBP Heyward's was .418
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Posted: 8/22/2013 11:09 AM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
PadsFS wrote: For all the mind-numbing complaining about Matheny, it's interesting to see the Reds lose a starter in Cingrani (back) and a reliever (Broxton) although Marshall and Cueto are starting their rehab throwing.
Huh? What does any of this have to do with Mike Matheny?
I don't get it either.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 12:16 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
PadsFS wrote: For all the mind-numbing complaining about Matheny, it's interesting to see the Reds lose a starter in Cingrani (back) and a reliever (Broxton) although Marshall and Cueto are starting their rehab throwing.
Huh? What does any of this have to do with Mike Matheny?
I don't get it either.

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I think Pads was merely eluding to Mrg. Baker's propensity to misuse his available arms, resulting in injury, while the Cards skipper.....I think the jury is still out on how MM uses or misuses his staff.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 12:44 PM

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I think Matheny has shown so far he is at best an average manager. Can he get better with experience? possibly. His demeanor sometimes looks like he is lost. He is not good at managing the pitching especially the bullpen but I think that's the toughest part of the job. I wasn't thrilled with his hiring but at this point I am not sure who out there is a better hire. Maybe we can hope he gets better with a couple of more years under his belt. In the meantime pepto will help me when he is managing the bullpen.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 1:03 PM

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pugsleyaddams wrote:

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
PadsFS wrote: For all the mind-numbing complaining about Matheny, it's interesting to see the Reds lose a starter in Cingrani (back) and a reliever (Broxton) although Marshall and Cueto are starting their rehab throwing.
Huh? What does any of this have to do with Mike Matheny?
I don't get it either.

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I think Pads was merely eluding to Mrg. Baker's propensity to misuse his available arms, resulting in injury, while the Cards skipper.....I think the jury is still out on how MM uses or misuses his staff.


Considering the first person to respond to this literally questioned Matheny's use of Rosenthal and Mujica and Molina just yesterday, I think it is valid that all teams are suffering from injuries at this time. It's a hard (on the body) game to play.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 1:07 PM

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I think managing a baseball team matters very little in the results. However, I think someone that has the respect, the comraderie, the inside knowledge (that none of us obviously do) and the personality (well-liked) that Matheny does is exactly what I want in a manager. Chemistry is something that can absolutely be affected by the right manager, think Bobby Valentine in Boston last year, and you get my point.

Generally, all your bitching and back and forth questioning of the guy can be refuted and I dont give it much thought at all since you don't know what's going on in the dugout.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 1:52 PM

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PadsFS wrote: I think managing a baseball team matters very little in the results. However, I think someone that has the respect, the comraderie, the inside knowledge (that none of us obviously do) and the personality (well-liked) that Matheny does is exactly what I want in a manager. Chemistry is something that can absolutely be affected by the right manager, think Bobby Valentine in Boston last year, and you get my point.

Generally, all your bitching and back and forth questioning of the guy can be refuted and I dont give it much thought at all since you don't know what's going on in the dugout.
This is pure nonsense! Do you know what is going on in the dugout? You have refuted nothing as far as i can tell although i have no doubt that you think you have. What the Reds or any other team does has absolutely nothing to do with the job Matheny has done this far. Not a thing! See it is just like when you said my arguments about Holliday in the play offs have been refuted. How do you refute what actually happened? I am not making up the myriad of mistakes Mike has made. Many of them are basic things too like bunting with a man already at 2nd base and a reliever that is forced to hit for himself not once but three times in less than a week. Extra innings games are part of it but i have never seen that in my life and the Cards have played extra innings games in every season. Like i said it is just my opinion but i believe his use of the bullpen has been atrocious for two years now and it is actually worse this year than last. How does a manager regress like this? He does not seem to learn from his mistakes either like the situation with Boggs earlier. I have no doubt Boggs will be a good bullpen arm for Colorado. Maybe i am spoiled after watching masters like TLR and Whitey but that does not change the job that Matheny has done thus far. I like and respect Matheny but i am not such a Homer that i will say he has done a good job. To me that is absurd given the obvious mistakes he has made over and over again. With a better manager i believe this club would have a 3 or 4 game lead by now.

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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:13 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I think managing a baseball team matters very little in the results. However, I think someone that has the respect, the comraderie, the inside knowledge (that none of us obviously do) and the personality (well-liked) that Matheny does is exactly what I want in a manager. Chemistry is something that can absolutely be affected by the right manager, think Bobby Valentine in Boston last year, and you get my point.

Generally, all your bitching and back and forth questioning of the guy can be refuted and I dont give it much thought at all since you don't know what's going on in the dugout.
This is pure nonsense! Do you know what is going on in the dugout? You have refuted nothing as far as i can tell although i have no doubt that you think you have. What the Reds or any other team does has absolutely nothing to do with the job Matheny has done this far. Not a thing! See it is just like when you said my arguments about Holliday in the play offs have been refuted. How do you refute what actually happened? I am not making up the myriad of mistakes Mike has made. Many of them are basic things too like bunting with a man already at 2nd base and a reliever that is forced to hit for himself not once but three times in less than a week. Extra innings games are part of it but i have never seen that in my life and the Cards have played extra innings games in every season. Like i said it is just my opinion but i believe his use of the bullpen has been atrocious for two years now and it is actually worse this year than last. How does a manager regress like this? He does not seem to learn from his mistakes either like the situation with Boggs earlier. I have no doubt Boggs will be a good bullpen arm for Colorado. Maybe i am spoiled after watching masters like TLR and Whitey but that does not change the job that Matheny has done thus far. I like and respect Matheny but i am not such a Homer that i will say he has done a good job. To me that is absurd given the obvious mistakes he has made over and over again. With a better manager i believe this club would have a 3 or 4 game lead by now.
You're being overly harsh on Matheny and giving "Master" TLR way too much credit....master hardly.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:26 PM

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Reds win 2-1
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:30 PM

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MAP315 wrote: Reds win 2-1
Damn! I have the feeling the Reds are just hitting their stride. This is not good. At least we have the inevitable Pirates collapse and Dusty over managing to look at as positives.

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Posted: 8/22/2013 3:35 PM

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Posted: 8/22/2013 3:39 PM

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This is a compelling matchup. Heyward is out, but Upton is back. The Braves are the only team to beat Kelly since he was added to the rotation. Maholm is coming back off the DL, but doesn't play well on the road or against St. Louis. Then again, St. Louis has lost 8 of 9 regular season games against the Braves, who dramatically shut down our offense not long ago. Then there's Yadi vs Johnson, the two league leaders in batting average.

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Not really Kelly cruised through that game giving up one earned run in eight innings he just didn't get run support by his offense given Teheran's performance.
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