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Boggs traded

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Posted: 7/9/2013 7:02 PM

Boggs traded 


to Colorado for a bag of balls. Not really it was for $2.2M in international signing money.

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Posted: 7/9/2013 7:13 PM

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Many might not think it's a return but that's a fantastic return to spend towards the international market especially for one who was completely lost at the big-league level at one point. Perhaps a change of scenery could sooth Boggs. Unfortunately for him he's reporting to a band-box stadium that won't help.

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Posted: 7/9/2013 7:14 PM

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This is bonus slot #4.  This seems to be a great job the front office.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 7:16 PM

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I don't think that is correct, the Cubs 4th slot , which is slot # 93 was only worth $210,000. The Rockies 4th slot (94) would be @ $200,000. I hope I'm wrong and the Cards got more but it's the equivalent of a 4th round draft pick slot.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 7:20 PM

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Cardinals got the Rockies 4th slot (93rd slot). Per DG

"CORRECTION: it's #rockies fourth slot, not the Slot 4. It's actually Slot 93 ... $206,400. Sorry for the mistake. Still good bump. #stlcards"
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Posted: 7/9/2013 7:23 PM

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This makes more sense but it is still a nice trade, IMO.  Boggs was sent to AA Tulsa by the Rockies.  This also restores a spot on the 40 man roster that was used today for Rob Johnson and this slot money can be traded again.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:05 PM

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My only question is how is Victor Marte still on the 40-man roster. They've bounced Boggs, Sanchez and Cleto off the roster and all of those guys had better arms, better velocity, better control, better big league production and were younger. Now, that's not saying much, since Sanchez and Cleto were clearly not big league regulars. It just dumbfounds me how Marte remains on the team's roster. That is not to say I was sad to see any of these guys go. I just find it odd Marte has hung around this long.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:38 PM

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KylMss wrote: My only question is how is Victor Marte still on the 40-man roster. They've bounced Boggs, Sanchez and Cleto off the roster and all of those guys had better arms, better velocity, better control, better big league production and were younger. Now, that's not saying much, since Sanchez and Cleto were clearly not big league regulars. It just dumbfounds me how Marte remains on the team's roster. That is not to say I was sad to see any of these guys go. I just find it odd Marte has hung around this long.
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Posted: 7/10/2013 9:23 AM

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Boggs is gone!!!  Now I'll buy tickets again!
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Posted: 7/10/2013 10:43 AM

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All of the jubilation over the demise of Boggs, a man who was instrumental in getting the Cards to the postseason is 2012, is just disgusting to me.

Even Kary Booher, the sportswriter in Springfield and a very professional guy was so disgusted that he posted two scathing tweets yesterday about the behavior of Cardinals fans over the trade of Boggs.  He talked about what a class act Boggs was and how he NEVER ditched the media after a game, even though he could have easily.

https://twitter.com/karybooher...754026023292928

https://twitter.com/karybooher...754348682719236


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Posted: 7/10/2013 10:52 AM

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Fair points, crdswmn.

I think what we're seeing is more about misdirected anger than anything. Any frustration about Boggs really should be about Matheny's long leash, not Boggs' performance. Boggs couldn't get the job done, but it was Matheny who continued to march him out there in high leverage situations at the big league level to try and right the ship.
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Posted: 7/10/2013 11:24 AM

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DMENS wrote: Fair points, crdswmn.

I think what we're seeing is more about misdirected anger than anything. Any frustration about Boggs really should be about Matheny's long leash, not Boggs' performance. Boggs couldn't get the job done, but it was Matheny who continued to march him out there in high leverage situations at the big league level to try and right the ship.
Well, I have never seen any fans unwilling to direct their anger at Matheny.

It is my observation (and the observation of some outsiders I have seen) that Cardinals fans have come to feel so entitled, that they perceive anything that gets in the away of what they want as a crime against humanity.

I was so totally embarrassed the other day, when, after Ken Rosenthal posted a tweet of an article outlining his picks for the ASG, he received scads of hate tweets from Cardinals fans because he didn't include Cardinals they thought he should include.  It was so bad that Rosenthal called them out on Twitter, and several of us had to try to convince him that these people were outliers and idiots.  Now, I don't understand for the life of me, WHY, who Ken Rosenthal picked for the ASG matters. It is just so childish.

There is even a Twitter account, @BestFansSTLouis, that is entirely about mocking Cardinals fans.  Now, is it probably run by some jealous Reds fan, but it retweets some of the most ridiculous tweets by Cardinals fans you would ever lay eyes on. Tweets filled with ugliness and profanity, it is unreal.

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Posted: 7/10/2013 11:57 AM

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I have no joy in Boggs being traded.

No, I didn't want him on the big club because he had totally lost effectiveness.  I am mindful, however, that he certainly didn't purposefully fail and always seemed to give it his best effort.  In the end he's a human being with feelings.

Hope he does well with the Rockies and gets himself straightened out.

Tough times don't last long but tough people do -

Darryl Kile

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Posted: 7/10/2013 12:11 PM

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UConnCard wrote: I have no joy in Boggs being traded.

No, I didn't want him on the big club because he had totally lost effectiveness.  I am mindful, however, that he certainly didn't purposefully fail and always seemed to give it his best effort.  In the end he's a human being with feelings.

Hope he does well with the Rockies and gets himself straightened out.
I share the sentiment but would put it slightly different.  I have no joy in Boggs's collapse, but I am glad he was traded, for his sake.  If he straightens out, he could have several successful years ahead, but I am convinced his chances are far better somewhere else.
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Posted: 7/10/2013 12:19 PM

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crdswmn wrote: 
Well, I have never seen any fans unwilling to direct their anger at Matheny.

That's why I say it is misdirected. The frustration should be directed at Matheny, but it is surprisingly gone to Boggs instead.

It is my observation (and the observation of some outsiders I have seen) that Cardinals fans have come to feel so entitled, that they perceive anything that gets in the way of what they want as a crime against humanity.

That is not unique just to Cardinals fans. Fans of any team in any sport are in a seemingly perpetual state of being the victim.

I was so totally embarrassed the other day, when, after Ken Rosenthal posted a tweet of an article outlining his picks for the ASG, he received scads of hate tweets from Cardinals fans because he didn't include Cardinals they thought he should include.  It was so bad that Rosenthal called them out on Twitter, and several of us had to try to convince him that these people were outliers and idiots.  Now, I don't understand for the life of me, WHY, who Ken Rosenthal picked for the ASG matters. It is just so childish.

Now, I don't understand for the life of me, WHY, it is so important for Cardinals fans to appease Rosenthal and ensure that he is not offended by the complaints of fans, rational or not. And I'm fairly certain the whole point of an ASG article is to stimulate the exact debate that ensued. 

There is even a Twitter account, @BestFansSTLouis, that is entirely about mocking Cardinals fans.  Now, is it probably run by some jealous Reds fan, but it retweets some of the most ridiculous tweets by Cardinals fans you would ever lay eyes on. Tweets filled with ugliness and profanity, it is unreal.

I'm willing to bet my life savings that I could produce an equally hilarious Twitter account for any other ballclub in Major League Baseball. It just so happens that the Cardinals stimulate enough envy that someone has invested the time and energy to highlight a minority of the fanbase.
Cardinals fans are not perfect, but they also aren't any different than any other - except that there are more of them, and therefore more stupidly available for consumption in the public domain.
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Posted: 7/10/2013 12:45 PM

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DMENS wrote: Cardinals fans are not perfect, but they also aren't any different than any other - except that there are more of them, and therefore more stupidly available for consumption in the public domain.
I tend to agree. The anonymity of a message board empowers some, but the immediacy of Twitter is even more tempting for many who lack basic decency and civility. I see it as a universal problem, not centralized on any team or city.

In addition to the quantity of fans, perhaps the Cardinals are a more obvious target for blowback resulting from the "best fans in baseball" braggadocio.
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Posted: 7/10/2013 1:06 PM

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Domeboys wrote:
DMENS wrote: Cardinals fans are not perfect, but they also aren't any different than any other - except that there are more of them, and therefore more stupidly available for consumption in the public domain.
I tend to agree. The anonymity of a message board empowers some, but the immediacy of Twitter is even more tempting for many who lack basic decency and civility. I see it as a universal problem, not centralized on any team or city.

In addition to the quantity of fans, perhaps the Cardinals are a more obvious target for blowback resulting from the "best fans in baseball" braggadocio.
That was the point we were trying to make to Rosenthal.  But according to Rosenthal, he had nothing like the response from fans of other teams that he got from Cardinals fans.  Whether you like or respect Rosenthal or not, the fact that he publicly called out the Cardinal fan base like that was embarrassing to many of us.

And DMENS it wasn't a "debate" that ensued, it was a free for all that included personal attacks against Rosenthal.

And that "best fans in baseball" label needs to go away now.

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Posted: 7/10/2013 1:25 PM

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Domeboys wrote:
DMENS wrote: Cardinals fans are not perfect, but they also aren't any different than any other - except that there are more of them, and therefore more stupidly available for consumption in the public domain.
I tend to agree. The anonymity of a message board empowers some, but the immediacy of Twitter is even more tempting for many who lack basic decency and civility. I see it as a universal problem, not centralized on any team or city.

In addition to the quantity of fans, perhaps the Cardinals are a more obvious target for blowback resulting from the "best fans in baseball" braggadocio.




Imagine being a fan of Kentucky basketball....haha. CRAZIES! Cardinal baseball fans are nothing compared to ky bball. 

For example, one fan recently called in to a radio show suggesting that Calipari build a dungeon in the basement of the practice gym to put players that don't listen to him. What the what!

Boggs isn't under nearly the microscope or scrutiny those 18 year old basketball players are and he is being paid $1.5 million dollars.

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Posted: 7/10/2013 2:37 PM

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blingboy wrote:
UConnCard wrote: I have no joy in Boggs being traded.

No, I didn't want him on the big club because he had totally lost effectiveness.  I am mindful, however, that he certainly didn't purposefully fail and always seemed to give it his best effort.  In the end he's a human being with feelings.

Hope he does well with the Rockies and gets himself straightened out.
I share the sentiment but would put it slightly different.  I have no joy in Boggs's collapse, but I am glad he was traded, for his sake.  If he straightens out, he could have several successful years ahead, but I am convinced his chances are far better somewhere else.
You stated it better.  thanks.

Tough times don't last long but tough people do -

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Posted: 7/10/2013 2:43 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
DMENS wrote: Fair points, crdswmn.

I think what we're seeing is more about misdirected anger than anything. Any frustration about Boggs really should be about Matheny's long leash, not Boggs' performance. Boggs couldn't get the job done, but it was Matheny who continued to march him out there in high leverage situations at the big league level to try and right the ship.
Well, I have never seen any fans unwilling to direct their anger at Matheny.

It is my observation (and the observation of some outsiders I have seen) that Cardinals fans have come to feel so entitled, that they perceive anything that gets in the away of what they want as a crime against humanity.

I was so totally embarrassed the other day, when, after Ken Rosenthal posted a tweet of an article outlining his picks for the ASG, he received scads of hate tweets from Cardinals fans because he didn't include Cardinals they thought he should include.  It was so bad that Rosenthal called them out on Twitter, and several of us had to try to convince him that these people were outliers and idiots.  Now, I don't understand for the life of me, WHY, who Ken Rosenthal picked for the ASG matters. It is just so childish.

There is even a Twitter account, @BestFansSTLouis, that is entirely about mocking Cardinals fans.  Now, is it probably run by some jealous Reds fan, but it retweets some of the most ridiculous tweets by Cardinals fans you would ever lay eyes on. Tweets filled with ugliness and profanity, it is unreal.
You act like Cardinals fans are suppose to be held to a higher standard than other fans? All fanbases have plenty of bad apples. We are no better than any other.

It's obvious there's some entitlement from the younger generation. We've been on a pretty good run since 2000. So some of these fans hardly know what the bad times have been. Some of us have been lucky enough to see some pretty good and pretty awful teams the last 25 years or so.

It doesn't excuse the behavior but I get where it comes from.

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