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Wigginton released, Johnson up

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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:01 AM

Wigginton released, Johnson up 


DMENS wrote: Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere yet, but Goold is reporting that a roster move may be made today that would remove Wiggy from the 25-man roster.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:04 AM

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I think I'd bring up catcher Rob Johnson to give Molina more rest from behind the plate. What would you do?
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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:13 AM

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Domeboys wrote: I think I'd bring up catcher Rob Johnson to give Molina more rest from behind the plate. What would you do?
I'd bring up Ryan Jackson.  Why bring up another catcher?  Just play Cruz more.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:29 AM

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The problem with Ryan Jackson is he's Ryan Jackson.  Don't know why that is a problem but it is.

 

I agree that another catcher is not really needed unless Yadi goes DL.  Brock Peterson is a possibility.  He has been hitting lefties well, so would be a good righty PH.  Johnson also has been hitting lefties.

 

As far as 40 man guys, besides Jackson there is only Curtis and Chambers.

Guys who would have to be added, besides Peterson or Johnson, dark horses would be Pham or Wong.  I can't see the org wanting to put either of them in a mostly bench sitting role, or alternatively, making a change in the starting lineup.

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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:31 AM

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blingboy wrote:

The problem with Ryan Jackson is he's Ryan Jackson.  Don't know why that is a problem but it is.

 

I agree that another catcher is not really needed unless Yadi goes DL.  Brock Peterson is a possibility.  He has been hitting lefties well, so would be a good righty PH.  Johnson also has been hitting lefties.

 

As far as 40 man guys, besides Jackson there is only Curtis and Chambers.

Guys who would have to be added, besides Peterson or Johnson, dark horses would be Pham or Wong.  I can't see the org wanting to put either of them in a mostly bench sitting role, or alternatively, making a change in the starting lineup.

Maybe they have gotten over whatever it is.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:36 AM

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Is there anyway the Cardinals could just transition Wiggy into a coaching position? They already have to pay him and it's clear they enjoy having him around the team. I saw him sitting with Mabry the other day and it looked like two bench coaches.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:46 AM

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KylMss wrote: Is there anyway the Cardinals could just transition Wiggy into a coaching position? They already have to pay him and it's clear they enjoy having him around the team. I saw him sitting with Mabry the other day and it looked like two bench coaches.
Maybe it's because he would be making more money than Matheny.  Does anyone know how much Matheny makes per year?  I can't find it online anywhere, Cot's doesn't give the amount.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:47 AM

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KylMss wrote: Is there anyway the Cardinals could just transition Wiggy into a coaching position? They already have to pay him and it's clear they enjoy having him around the team. I saw him sitting with Mabry the other day and it looked like two bench coaches.

Well, if you are talking about the major league team, the jobs are taken (Mabry, Molina).  And that assumes Wigginton is ready to give up his career as a player at age 35.  I have my doubts about that.

As to what I would do, if we are speaking internal options only, I would give Peterson a chance to see if he can duplicate what he has done as a starter as a bench player.  That would answer the question as to whether the Cardinals need to trade for a RHed bench bat.  Hopefully, this would allow the team to retain assests.

I see Brian's point about Johnson and that might be the way they go but if I had the chance, I'd go Peterson.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 10:49 AM

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crdswmn wrote:

Maybe it's because he would be making more money than Matheny.  Does anyone know how much Matheny makes per year?  I can't find it online anywhere, Cot's doesn't give the amount.

I think I read that it is $800K.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:00 AM

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crdswmn wrote:
Maybe they have gotten over whatever it is.
"I'll believe it when I see it."  wink
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:07 AM

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blingboy wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
Maybe they have gotten over whatever it is.
"I'll believe it when I see it."  wink
That's fair.  wink
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:11 AM

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mike87114 wrote:
crdswmn wrote:

Maybe it's because he would be making more money than Matheny.  Does anyone know how much Matheny makes per year?  I can't find it online anywhere, Cot's doesn't give the amount.

I think I read that it is $800K.

From P-D article in January:

"Matheny’s salary for the coming season is $750,000 . . . "

http://www.stltoday.com/news/l...14a052a404.html
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:13 AM

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I can understand why people would want to bring up Brock Peterson, for his bat.  But he would be essentially worthless for anything else but PH because he can't play any other position but 1B.  Ryan Jackson doesn't have the power that Peterson has, but he can be an asset in the field, spelling Kozma, who still hasn't shown anything offensively.  Let's face it, Jackson is a better alternative at SS than Descalso.

As for bringing up Rob Johnson, that's fine, if you are going to shut Molina down until after the break.  But if he is going to play at all, why carry 3 catchers, when you can just play Cruz more?  It's not like Johnson offers anything offensively.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:19 AM

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crdswmn wrote:
Domeboys wrote: I think I'd bring up catcher Rob Johnson to give Molina more rest from behind the plate. What would you do?
I'd bring up Ryan Jackson.  Why bring up another catcher?  Just play Cruz more.
Yes, Cruz deserves the playing time when given the extra playing he's actually produced with the bat well. I prefer Jackson to anyone else he's most deserving of the opportunity.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 11:55 AM

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crdswmn wrote: I can understand why people would want to bring up Brock Peterson, for his bat.  But he would be essentially worthless for anything else but PH because he can't play any other position but 1B.  Ryan Jackson doesn't have the power that Peterson has, but he can be an asset in the field, spelling Kozma, who still hasn't shown anything offensively.  Let's face it, Jackson is a better alternative at SS than Descalso.

As for bringing up Rob Johnson, that's fine, if you are going to shut Molina down until after the break.  But if he is going to play at all, why carry 3 catchers, when you can just play Cruz more?  It's not like Johnson offers anything offensively.
I tried to make the suggestion earlier that Molina could be shut down from catching (for a period of time) but could still remain active. He would be a better RH PH than any of these guys and could fill in at 1B as well if healthy enough to play in the field.

You bring up a third catcher simply to have someone behind Cruz who could play extended innings if needed.

I can see the cases for Jackson and Peterson, but I am more worried about keeping Molina healthy for the long haul.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 12:01 PM

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And... just as I predicted, Johnson is being promoted and Wiggy released. Cards just issued press release.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 12:04 PM

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Domeboys wrote:
crdswmn wrote: I can understand why people would want to bring up Brock Peterson, for his bat.  But he would be essentially worthless for anything else but PH because he can't play any other position but 1B.  Ryan Jackson doesn't have the power that Peterson has, but he can be an asset in the field, spelling Kozma, who still hasn't shown anything offensively.  Let's face it, Jackson is a better alternative at SS than Descalso.

As for bringing up Rob Johnson, that's fine, if you are going to shut Molina down until after the break.  But if he is going to play at all, why carry 3 catchers, when you can just play Cruz more?  It's not like Johnson offers anything offensively.
I tried to make the suggestion earlier that Molina could be shut down from catching (for a period of time) but could still remain active. He would be a better RH PH than any of these guys and could fill in at 1B as well if healthy enough to play in the field.

You bring up a third catcher simply to have someone behind Cruz who could play extended innings if needed.

I can see the cases for Jackson and Peterson, but I am more worried about keeping Molina healthy for the long haul.
I think your point is valid, but only if you use Johnson behind the plate enough to justify his place on the roster, given his lack of usefulness offensively.  If he just sits on the bench as a "just in case", then I think it's a waste of a spot.

Edit.  The club agreed with you, Johnson it is.

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Posted: 7/9/2013 12:07 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
I think your point is valid, but only if you use Johnson behind the plate enough to justify his place on the roster, given his lack of usefulness offensively.  If he just sits on the bench as a "just in case", then I think it's a waste of a spot.
Is he more useless than Cruz?
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Posted: 7/9/2013 12:08 PM

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Offense isn't everything. Johnson is a far more experienced catcher than is Cruz and got raves for his handling of the staff this spring.

I sense some believe Molina is out of the woods when the Cards were concerned enough for him to get an MRI literally hours ago.

This is the right move for the short term at least.
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Posted: 7/9/2013 12:09 PM

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blingboy wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
I think your point is valid, but only if you use Johnson behind the plate enough to justify his place on the roster, given his lack of usefulness offensively.  If he just sits on the bench as a "just in case", then I think it's a waste of a spot.
Is he more useless than Cruz?
To me, that is not the comparison.  The comparison is Johnson vs. someone else who can contribute offensively.
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