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Non-game day MLB thread: Mon 7/8

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Posted: 7/8/2013 7:57 AM

Non-game day MLB thread: Mon 7/8 


You know the drill. No MLB game today. Any Cards topics not worthy of a new thread are fair game to be discussed here.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 10:28 AM

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What's this about a bru-ha-ha coming up over Mo ordering that a cross that was etched in the pitchers mound be removed because one person, that's one, complained? Personally, I am sick and tired of this out of control political correctness. On the flip side of that coin, Glen Beck and his two toadies made complete idiots out of themselves this morning on the radio by raising hell about this situation. They raked Mo over the coals and dissed the Cardinals organization.  Little did Beck know that it was Christian Day at the ball park and 40 thousand fans showed up with Willie Robertson speaking following the game!
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Posted: 7/8/2013 10:42 AM

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I am a Christian but I felt uncomfortable with the cross on the mound.  I can't really explain why but it just didn't seem right.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 10:51 AM

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On a slightly less controversial topic... joe kelly has rebounded quite well from his terrible start.  His ERA in June was 0.96.  A little more rough in the last start but overall 4.15 ERA (and yes, i realize ERA isn't the best indicator but after the start to the year he had it's impressive that it's that low).

It would be nice to see him make one more strong start before the break.

Last edited 7/8/2013 10:52 AM by brianpnoonan

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Posted: 7/8/2013 11:19 AM

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Is it coincidence that Kelly started pitching better once I got that autographed pic of him in the mail?  It's on top of my little TV here in my home office as I type this.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 11:20 AM

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ageelaw wrote: What's this about a bru-ha-ha coming up over Mo ordering that a cross that was etched in the pitchers mound be removed because one person, that's one, complained? Personally, I am sick and tired of this out of control political correctness. On the flip side of that coin, Glen Beck and his two toadies made complete idiots out of themselves this morning on the radio by raising hell about this situation. They raked Mo over the coals and dissed the Cardinals organization.  Little did Beck know that it was Christian Day at the ball park and 40 thousand fans showed up with Willie Robertson speaking following the game!
As a non religious person I have no problem with any crosses in private non-governmental places but make sure you extent the same courtesy to others and their symbols.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 11:23 AM

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ageelaw wrote: What's this about a bru-ha-ha coming up over Mo ordering that a cross that was etched in the pitchers mound be removed because one person, that's one, complained? Personally, I am sick and tired of this out of control political correctness. On the flip side of that coin, Glen Beck and his two toadies made complete idiots out of themselves this morning on the radio by raising hell about this situation. They raked Mo over the coals and dissed the Cardinals organization.  Little did Beck know that it was Christian Day at the ball park and 40 thousand fans showed up with Willie Robertson speaking following the game!
The Cardinals are a private business and thus can dictate what they will and will not accept on their private property.

I have no doubt that loudmouth d*ckheads like Glenn Beck would have no issue at all if it was a peace sign the Cardinals had removed from the mound.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 11:24 AM

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Yeah this makes me irate....Im not very religious but im tired of this PC BS. I could types pages about this topic but it seems such a waste of time. Who are these people who are constantly offended by everything?rolleyes
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Posted: 7/8/2013 11:24 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote: Is it coincidence that Kelly started pitching better once I got that autographed pic of him in the mail?  It's on top of my little TV here in my home office as I type this.
Yep, that was the turning point.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 11:25 AM

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crdswmn wrote:
ageelaw wrote: What's this about a bru-ha-ha coming up over Mo ordering that a cross that was etched in the pitchers mound be removed because one person, that's one, complained? Personally, I am sick and tired of this out of control political correctness. On the flip side of that coin, Glen Beck and his two toadies made complete idiots out of themselves this morning on the radio by raising hell about this situation. They raked Mo over the coals and dissed the Cardinals organization.  Little did Beck know that it was Christian Day at the ball park and 40 thousand fans showed up with Willie Robertson speaking following the game!
The Cardinals are a private business and thus can dictate what they will and will not accept on their private property.

I have no doubt that loudmouth d*ckheads like Glenn Beck would have no issue at all if it was a peace sign the Cardinals had removed from the mound.
Im pretty confident you dont follow/listen to glenn beck after that statement...
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Posted: 7/8/2013 1:14 PM

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I heard from what I consider a reliable source that the cross and number 6 on the mound was intended as shorthand for RIP Stan Musial. Had nothing to do with religion.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 1:26 PM

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The expectation for a #5 starter is to give the team a chance to win if the O, D and pen show up. Kelly has proven the ability to do that. I don't understand why the Cards org would have any issue with him in the rotation, at least for now.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 3:43 PM

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blingboy wrote: The expectation for a #5 starter is to give the team a chance to win if the O, D and pen show up. Kelly has proven the ability to do that. I don't understand why the Cards org would have any issue with him in the rotation, at least for now.

Best 5 pitchers should be the 5 starters. Simple as that. If Martinez is better, then he should start.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 3:48 PM

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PadsFS wrote:
blingboy wrote: The expectation for a #5 starter is to give the team a chance to win if the O, D and pen show up. Kelly has proven the ability to do that. I don't understand why the Cards org would have any issue with him in the rotation, at least for now.

Best 5 pitchers should be the 5 starters. Simple as that. If Martinez is better, then he should start.
In august and september i agree... not so much earlier.  Especially since we're in first place.

Kelly can give himself (and us) huge trade value if he has fixed himself... it proves he's past the "first time through the league" bit and now he has veteran (and still cheap) value.

It's not if you get knocked down... most starters go through rough patches... it's how you get back up.

Kelly becomes an extremely solid trade chip in the offseason or at the deadline given how we've handled him.

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Posted: 7/8/2013 3:51 PM

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Nice to see Kelley pitching well again. He's a good commidity to have. Seems to be a bit better as a starter, although I'll jump on the bandwagon that the real key to his success was JMo getting his autographed mug shot.

Speaking of Cardinal memorabilia, I picked up a cool item over the four day "weekend". Got a 1950 Cardinals "souvenir program" (that's what it states on the cover of the program). It shows a picture of Red turning the double-play on the front, with an opponent barreling in to him. The oppenent is number 6 so you almost think it's Stan in the road gray uni, but they have blue socks on the guy. It's more of an artist's rendition of the scene, and not an actual photo.

As for the cross on the mound, I did not hear about this, but if I were a member of Cardinal management I would prefer that the symbolism be limited to personal items, such as crosses or even tatoos if people want to express their faith that way, and of course the sponsorship of the day.

As for blow hards like Beck going off about it, well, that's what talk radio thrives on. Shock value sells, and so the people that are way off on the tangent of the political belief spectrum are the ones the networks like because they draw the audience, even though it is sort of a sad statement about human behavior.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 4:09 PM

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I'd like to hear more particulars about the 'souvenir program' if you have time.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 4:24 PM

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Beck's people have done some good investigative work on situations like Bengazi, the IRS, the invasion of privacy by the government, etc. They should stick to that. My beef with him was that he had no clue what was going on at the ball park but just mouthed off, making himself look utterly stupid, uninformed and clueless.  
As far as Kelly, I really like the youngster. He has some electric stuff and can crank the fast ball up as well. I really think he is more suited to be a starter rather than a relief pitcher, but I think he is going to be a success in the long term no matter what his role might be with the ball club. 

By the way, who gets the call up when the team hits that brutal stretch of games after the all-star break?
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Posted: 7/8/2013 4:25 PM

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I don't know if anyone mentioned it while we were playing Miami, but our friend Zack Cox finally made it out of AA. He's been at AAA New Orleans since 7-4.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 4:37 PM

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Good for Cox. Perhaps Miami will get something out of that Mujica/Cox deal.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 4:38 PM

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Albert v. Carlos
Here's an up to date comparison of the departed Cardinal vs. the man who basically replaced him in the lineup.
Thus far this year, Carlos is hitting .307 or 60 points higher than Albert, who is at .247. Carlos has 11 more hits this year even though he has been to the plate 30 less times. Carlos has played in 79 games, Albert--85. 
Both have 51 RBI at the halfway mark, but Carlos has launched 19 homers to 13 for Big Al. 
Would you agree that Carlos has been a bargain for the ball club over the past two years?

Add: What kind of odds do you give that Albert will ever make another all-star team?

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