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2013 MLB game 87 thread: Marlins at Cards: Sun 7/7

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Posted: 7/5/2013 7:03 AM

2013 MLB game 87 thread: Marlins at Cards: Sun 7/7 


Lance Lynn (10-3, 3.75) vs. Jose Fernandez (5-4, 2.72). 1:15 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 10:42 AM

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I understand there's going to be some warm, humid weather in St. Louis today.  Hope the summer has finally arrived, and our Cardinals heat up as well.  With the gift from Miami yesterday i'd like to see Lynn come out and shut them down and we jump on them early.

The next several games before the ASB are important games.  Hope we can go 5-2 in these next seven games.  The Cubs wont be easy to beat at Wrigley because like I've always said, playing the Cardinals is the closest thing to a World Series atmosphere for them.

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Posted: 7/7/2013 10:48 AM

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Lineup: Carpenter 4, Beltran 9, Holliday 7, Craig 3, Freese 5, Jay 8, Cruz 2, Kozma 6, Lynn 1.

Kozma back in lineup.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 11:11 AM

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I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 11:31 AM

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PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?
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Posted: 7/7/2013 11:40 AM

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We need to win all 5 games on this home stand.  Not that it will be easy but we need to find a way.  We need a better record at home and  a better chance for a 5-game winning streak probably won't come our way all season.  I hope our guys make a statement!
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Posted: 7/7/2013 11:41 AM

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I think most of those calling for an Adams start want Holliday to sit.  Even if it is not explicitly stated, I think it underlies the comments. 

Given Holliday's  history and contract, that is just not happening.  Now that Molina is out, it would be nice to have Adams in the lineup but, as you pointed out, there is no way to do that as the likely candidates for moving defensively can't play CF.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:23 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?
The solution is simple-trade Beltran.  We could get something form a contender in the American league and give Adams first base.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:27 PM

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mike87114 wrote: I think most of those calling for an Adams start want Holliday to sit.  Even if it is not explicitly stated, I think it underlies the comments. 

Given Holliday's  history and contract, that is just not happening.  Now that Molina is out, it would be nice to have Adams in the lineup but, as you pointed out, there is no way to do that as the likely candidates for moving defensively can't play CF.
Not sure about that. Craig and especially Beltran will need time off too with the season getting longer and the inevitable sore knees for Carlos.

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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:29 PM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?
The solution is simple-trade Beltran.  We could get something form a contender in the American league and give Adams first base.
Full No Trade Clause.  No way he waives it.

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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:30 PM

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mike87114 wrote: I think most of those calling for an Adams start want Holliday to sit.  Even if it is not explicitly stated, I think it underlies the comments. 

Given Holliday's  history and contract, that is just not happening.  Now that Molina is out, it would be nice to have Adams in the lineup but, as you pointed out, there is no way to do that as the likely candidates for moving defensively can't play CF.
Not going to happen, and stupid.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:31 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?


I would sit Beltran who is dealing with slight oblique problem.

Adams hit a pretty clutch home run yesterday and I think that he deserves to start. Maybe not every day but certainly after that impressive performance.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:33 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
mike87114 wrote: I think most of those calling for an Adams start want Holliday to sit.  Even if it is not explicitly stated, I think it underlies the comments. 

Given Holliday's  history and contract, that is just not happening.  Now that Molina is out, it would be nice to have Adams in the lineup but, as you pointed out, there is no way to do that as the likely candidates for moving defensively can't play CF.
Not sure about that. Craig and especially Beltran will need time off too with the season getting longer and the inevitable sore knees for Carlos.
Occasional rest of the three players is not going to get Adams a start everyday.  You would have to sit each one every third day.  That would mess with their timing, and is just not feasible.

You can get him starts, you just can't get him in there everyday.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:33 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?
The solution is simple-trade Beltran.  We could get something form a contender in the American league and give Adams first base.
Full No Trade Clause.  No way he waives it.


Not that we would have ANY interest in trading Beltran, because, well, he is awesome. But he would be financially inclined to waive the clause as he would remove the draft pick loss from the bidding team.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:36 PM

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PadsFS wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?


I would sit Beltran who is dealing with slight oblique problem.

Adams hit a pretty clutch home run yesterday and I think that he deserves to start. Maybe not every day but certainly after that impressive performance.
So you are just referring to a temporary solution.  How many days?  You going to put Beltran on the DL?

But yet, there are still people wanting him to start everyday, without offering one feasible alternative to accomplish that.  This is what I find frustrating. Bitching about something that can be fixed is one thing.  Bitching about something that can't is just annoying.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:38 PM

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PadsFS wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?
The solution is simple-trade Beltran.  We could get something form a contender in the American league and give Adams first base.
Full No Trade Clause.  No way he waives it.


Not that we would have ANY interest in trading Beltran, because, well, he is awesome. But he would be financially inclined to waive the clause as he would remove the draft pick loss from the bidding team.
What draft pick loss?  I understood that there was no draft pick compensation for players who stay with a club less than a full season.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:53 PM

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These dog days are why we signed Wigginton.

 Suggested U. of Illinois mascots

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Posted: 7/7/2013 12:56 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?


I would sit Beltran who is dealing with slight oblique problem.

Adams hit a pretty clutch home run yesterday and I think that he deserves to start. Maybe not every day but certainly after that impressive performance.
So you are just referring to a temporary solution.  How many days?  You going to put Beltran on the DL?

But yet, there are still people wanting him to start everyday, without offering one feasible alternative to accomplish that.  This is what I find frustrating. Bitching about something that can be fixed is one thing.  Bitching about something that can't is just annoying.

Yes exactly....temporary. This is the first time I have posted that. I wasn't bitching either. Just making a comment that I can't believe Adams isn't starting today.
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Posted: 7/7/2013 1:00 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
PadsFS wrote: I can't believe Adams isn't getting a start.
You know, I like Adams as well as the next person, but just where are all these "starts" supposed to come from?  People are screaming for Adams to play everyday, but I have yet to see anyone give a feasible scenario where that can occur.  Who are you going to jettison?  Craig?  Beltran?  Holliday?  None of the aforementioned can play CF, so you can't replace Jay with one of them.  Adams can only play 1B, so how can he possibly play everyday without benching one of our other best hitters?

This isn't directed specifically to you Pads, but this is a common complaint with no solution that I see, so what is the point in beating it to death?
The solution is simple-trade Beltran.  We could get something form a contender in the American league and give Adams first base.
Full No Trade Clause.  No way he waives it.


Not that we would have ANY interest in trading Beltran, because, well, he is awesome. But he would be financially inclined to waive the clause as he would remove the draft pick loss from the bidding team.
What draft pick loss?  I understood that there was no draft pick compensation for players who stay with a club less than a full season.



If Beltran gets traded, the acquiring team can't offer arbitration. Therefore, the team that acquires Beltran as a free agent at the end of the year will NOT have to surrender a draft pick.

If Beltran doesn't get traded, the Cardinals can (and should) offer arbitration and the team that acquires Beltran as a free agent will have to surrender a draft pick.


Therefore, his asking price as a free agent will be higher if he were to be traded by the Cardinals mid-season. Kyle Lohse complained about how it wasn't fair that Greinke got traded and didn't have to deal with the draft pick loss situation that he had to.

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Posted: 7/7/2013 1:02 PM

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Is Blazek still on the team? I'd like to see him get some work in today as well.
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