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Minor league thread: Tue 7/2

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Posted: 7/2/2013 8:42 AM

Minor league thread: Tue 7/2 


Mem: Wacha, Spr, PB: off, Peo: Jones, SC: O'Shea, JC: off, GCL: D Perez, DSL: TBA.
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Posted: 7/2/2013 2:09 PM

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Mem: Wacha, Spr, PB: off, Peo: Jones, SC: O'Shea, JC: off, GCL: D Perez, DSL: TBA.

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Wacha? Didn't he used to pitch for us? (Insert blue font here)

Seriously, glad to see him back in the saddle. Concern over innings notwithstanding, it's alo not good to leave a pitcher on the shelf too long.
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Posted: 7/2/2013 3:37 PM

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Didn't realize Wacha's 2 week timeout was over already? Not meaning that to be bad? Just a desire to control innings and get him to work on the curve in a non competitive situation.
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Posted: 7/2/2013 3:39 PM

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Of course, now that he's on the PCL all-star team, I wonder if the Cards won't ask whoever is managing the team to not use him.  Otherwise, there's additional innings for him to pitch, and goodness knows, we don't want his arm falling off.
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Posted: 7/2/2013 8:49 PM

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Wacha went 5.1, 4 ER, 8 H (7 of them for extra bases), 1 BB, 9 K.
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Posted: 7/2/2013 9:04 PM

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?
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Posted: 7/2/2013 9:29 PM

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?

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He's got to start somewhere using it more often in counts.
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Posted: 7/2/2013 9:35 PM

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Maybe we'll hear some particulars tomorrow.

Cory Jones went 7 IP, 8 hits but only 1 run. And Mitch Harris went 2 IP, still hasn't given up an earned run.
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Posted: 7/2/2013 10:44 PM

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?

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Long layoff. Should do better next time. But this is what I was talking about earlier in the thread.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 1:43 PM

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DTFlush234 wrote:

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?

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He's got to start somewhere using it more often in counts.



9 to 1 K to BB ratio isn't too bad. I don't really mind earned runs given up in a minor league game ----> See Shelby Miller, AAA.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 1:47 PM

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PadsFS wrote:
DTFlush234 wrote:

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?

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He's got to start somewhere using it more often in counts.



9 to 1 K to BB ratio isn't too bad. I don't really mind earned runs given up in a minor league game ----> See Shelby Miller, AAA.
Yeah, except now Shelby is giving them up in the major leagues.  He has 15 ER in June, with an ERA of 4.31.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 2:15 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
Yeah, except now Shelby is giving them up in the major leagues.  He has 15 ER in June, with an ERA of 4.31.
last i checked, 4.31 is fairly solid

yeah yeah, we want ace all the time...

he's a rookie.  sheesh.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 2:35 PM

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brianpnoonan wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
Yeah, except now Shelby is giving them up in the major leagues.  He has 15 ER in June, with an ERA of 4.31.
last i checked, 4.31 is fairly solid

yeah yeah, we want ace all the time...

he's a rookie.  sheesh.
Not a complaint, just an observation.

He, however, can't keep giving up ER at that pace if he wants to be an ace.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 2:41 PM

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As a rookie he sure as heck can

He does that the rest of the year he'll end up with an ERA around 3.60 over 180 innings.  Perfectly acceptable for a rookie of immense talent.

Cry me a river.  The criticism is ridiculous.

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Posted: 7/3/2013 2:49 PM

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PadsFS wrote:
DTFlush234 wrote:

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?

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He's got to start somewhere using it more often in counts.



9 to 1 K to BB ratio isn't too bad. I don't really mind earned runs given up in a minor league game ----> See Shelby Miller, AAA.
I don't like the 7 of the 8 hits being extra base hits.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 3:08 PM

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brianpnoonan wrote: As a rookie he sure as heck can

He does that the rest of the year he'll end up with an ERA around 3.60 over 180 innings.  Perfectly acceptable for a rookie of immense talent.

Cry me a river.  The criticism is ridiculous.
And what is is it about "not a complaint" that you didn't understand?
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Posted: 7/3/2013 4:36 PM

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Many aces started rather slow in the careers for every Gooden or as of now Harvey there many others whose first year was nothing spectacular. Maddux 5.61 Johan Santana 6.49...Sabathia 4.39...Glavine 4.56...Catfish Hunter...4.26....Chris Carpenter first 4-5 seasons were pretty bad.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 5:59 PM

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Like Westbrook.

Everyone expects these guys to come out guns blazin when they have a long layoff. Not always the case with pitchers.

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?

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Long layoff. Should do better next time. But this is what I was talking about earlier in the thread.

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Posted: 7/3/2013 7:07 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
brianpnoonan wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
Yeah, except now Shelby is giving them up in the major leagues.  He has 15 ER in June, with an ERA of 4.31.
last i checked, 4.31 is fairly solid

yeah yeah, we want ace all the time...

he's a rookie.  sheesh.
Not a complaint, just an observation.

He, however, can't keep giving up ER at that pace if he wants to be an ace.
Last time I checked he was 22-years old.
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Posted: 7/3/2013 7:09 PM

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619illinibooyah wrote: Like Westbrook.

Everyone expects these guys to come out guns blazin when they have a long layoff. Not always the case with pitchers.

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Well that's not very good numbers. Maybe the hard hit balls were on the curve?

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Long layoff. Should do better next time. But this is what I was talking about earlier in the thread.

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These are different cases. Westbrook was injured for a month. Wacha was just sitting out for two weeks not injured and he threw bullpens everyday.
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