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2013 MLB game 72 thread: Cubs at Cards: Wed 6/19

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Posted: 6/16/2013 6:34 PM

2013 MLB game 72 thread: Cubs at Cards: Wed 6/19 


Jake Westbrook (2‐2, 2.05) vs. Edwin Jackson (2‐8, 5.76). 7:15 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 9:57 AM

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We need to start making some hay.  So far in this weaker part of the schedule against New York, Miami, and the Cubs we are 4-4.  We need to kick it in gear and start to win some.  Thanks to the Pirates for downing the Reds last night.

 

Anyway, i hope we arent seeing a repeat of what we have seen in the past - that being struggling against teams we should beat.

 

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Posted: 6/19/2013 10:09 AM

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RatsBuddy wrote:

Anyway, i hope we arent seeing a repeat of what we have seen in the past - that being struggling against teams we should beat.

 

Rat

 

Too late Rat, we already are seeing it.  I think the root cause is that we are also seeing a repeat of the inconsistant all or nothing offense of last year.  Through the early part of last season we had an enormous run differential, but it didn't translate into a big lead in the standings.  We are winning a bit more this year, but the problem remains.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 10:45 AM

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St. Louis OF Jon Jay has gone 215 successive games without making an error in center. He is second in team history behind Curt Flood (226). Jay last made an error on Aug. 24, 2011. His streak is the longest current run in the NL
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Posted: 6/19/2013 11:04 AM

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PadsFS wrote: St. Louis OF Jon Jay has gone 215 successive games without making an error in center. He is second in team history behind Curt Flood (226). Jay last made an error on Aug. 24, 2011. His streak is the longest current run in the NL

People need to remember this when they complain about a cold streak etc. Hes even more important considering the range/arm of the corner ofs that usually are flanking him.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 11:25 AM

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blingboy wrote:
RatsBuddy wrote:

Anyway, i hope we arent seeing a repeat of what we have seen in the past - that being struggling against teams we should beat.

 

Rat

 

Too late Rat, we already are seeing it.  I think the root cause is that we are also seeing a repeat of the inconsistant all or nothing offense of last year.  Through the early part of last season we had an enormous run differential, but it didn't translate into a big lead in the standings.  We are winning a bit more this year, but the problem remains.
In these last two series we have seen very good pitching.  Fernandez, Wood, Samardzija.   A perfect storm of pitching.  If we start a run of failing against mediocre or bad pitching, then I will worry.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 12:06 PM

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Hopefully we don't face Bud any time soon.  You probably have enough to worry about. wink

I have not really gotten the impression that the productivity of our offense depends on how good the pitcher is.  We tend to make the mediocres look like Nolan Ryan, and hand the Harveys their head. Am I wrong?
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Posted: 6/19/2013 12:14 PM

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The Westbrook v Edwin Jackson matchup will be fun. Hopefully Jake is done getting his feet back under him and can reel off 6 innings of grounders. There is the chance we will make Jackson look like Nolan Ryan, but hopefully we torch him early and often. Maybe a good day for Cards fans in the bleachers to bring their glove.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 12:59 PM

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there's a reason why the cubs took a gamble on jackson, if and when he can ever consistently locate his fastball his offspeed stuff becomes that much more dangerous...on or off, a fantasy nightmarebiggrin
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Posted: 6/19/2013 1:05 PM

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blingboy wrote: Hopefully we don't face Bud any time soon.  You probably have enough to worry about. wink

I have not really gotten the impression that the productivity of our offense depends on how good the pitcher is.  We tend to make the mediocres look like Nolan Ryan, and hand the Harveys their head. Am I wrong?
Very good pitching is just as likely to stymie the offense as not.  The fact that we have succeeded against good pitching doesn't mean we always will.  Just like being stymied against mediocre pitching means likewise.  I think it is just a matter of individual performance on a given day.  The team's splits don't suggest any kind of long term pattern that should give cause for concern.  The only thing I could find of any significance, and that significance was not large, was that the team on average hits about 20 to 25 points higher with RISP than with the bases empty.  What that suggests, if anything at all, I couldn't say other than speculating that maybe they are just a little extra motivated in those situations, if you want to ascribe motivation as a factor to be considered.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 3:57 PM

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crdswmn wrote: What that suggests, if anything at all, I couldn't say other than speculating that maybe they are just a little extra motivated in those situations, if you want to ascribe motivation as a factor to be considered.
I think the Cardinals success with RISP (relative to bases empty) is due in part to the success of our starting rotation. It's just a theory, and maybe an over-thought one, but humor me for a minute as I explain.

The exceptional performance of our starting rotation has possibly put pressure on opposing pitchers to stretch their comfort zones. When the Cardinals get RISP, opposing pitchers are pressured to make "hero" pitches because they are trying to get the big out among fears that their own team might not be putting many runs on the board against a tough Cardinals pitching staff. The problem is that when "hero" pitches miss, they often end in hits.

What led me to this conclusion, in part at least, is that I've been surprised by the number of bad pitches the Cardinals have capitalized on with RISP. It's not like we are miraculously crushing great pitches for big hits with RISP. We're just getting good cracks at a lot of bad pitches in high leverage situations. It doesn't help (opponents) that there isn't really a break in the Cardinals lineup.

I can't back that observation up with numbers, but it would be interesting to study past teams that had a better wOBA with RISP than bases empty and see if there is any correlation to the performance of starting pitchers.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 4:06 PM

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I was thinking it was due to the hot and cold nature of our offense. When we hit, lots of guys hit, so they are hitting with lots of guys on. When nobody hits, they are hitting with nobody on.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 4:10 PM

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Posted: 6/19/2013 4:18 PM

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There is one thing that was a factor last night. We hit into 4 DP's. Freese hit into 3 including the game ending one. The other 2 and the one from Holliday erased the first batter of the inning getting on. We had our chances last night.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 4:18 PM

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Freese not playing....
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Posted: 6/19/2013 5:13 PM

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I smell a win tonight.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 7:29 PM

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Jeesh, Holliday couldn't even advance the runner to 3rd.
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Posted: 6/19/2013 7:38 PM

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blingboy wrote: Jeesh, Holliday couldn't even advance the runner to 3rd.
Jeesh Yadi couldn;t do anything but swing at a ball at his eyes...blah2blah2blah2
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Posted: 6/19/2013 7:42 PM

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WOW that was a heck of a throw there Carp....go from being out of the inning to runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out.....
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Posted: 6/19/2013 7:43 PM

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off with his head
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