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2013 MLB game 51 thread: Cards at Royals: Tue 5/28

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Posted: 5/26/2013 11:48 PM

2013 MLB game 51 thread: Cards at Royals: Tue 5/28 


Tyler Lyons (1-0, 1.29) vs. Ervin Santana (3-4, 3.14). 7:10 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.

Cards lineup: Carpenter 4, Beltran 9, Holliday DH, Craig 7, Adams 3, Freese 5, Jay 8, Cruz 2, Descalso 6, Lyons 1.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 7:50 AM

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I bet Mo and is real anxious to see how Tyler does today. He doesn't want to have to go looking for low hanging fruits.

Looking forward to crdswmn's report on the game yesterday. Got to see a rambo-esqe performance from her boy Waino. Seriously, that was a stand up job, fighting through the early innings and settling in. Hope the youngsters were watching.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 9:08 AM

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blingboy wrote: I bet Mo and is real anxious to see how Tyler does today. He doesn't want to have to go looking for low hanging fruits.

Looking forward to crdswmn's report on the game yesterday. Got to see a rambo-esqe performance from her boy Waino. Seriously, that was a stand up job, fighting through the early innings and settling in. Hope the youngsters were watching.
bling....what is your definition of "low-hanging fruit"?  Thanks.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 9:18 AM

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I'm using Mo's own terminology. To me it means a short term patch for cheap. Sometimes, with good luck, it works out well, sometimes not. I think the last thing he would have expected to have to do this year is go out looking for something to patch up the rotation.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 10:28 AM

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blingboy wrote: I bet Mo and is real anxious to see how Tyler does today. He doesn't want to have to go looking for low hanging fruits.

Looking forward to crdswmn's report on the game yesterday. Got to see a rambo-esqe performance from her boy Waino. Seriously, that was a stand up job, fighting through the early innings and settling in. Hope the youngsters were watching.

I was there as well.  While they piled on the hits, so many of them were garbage bloops and weak groundballs that just found holes.  I believe 1XBH all day, or something of the sort.  From where I was sitting, Yadi's sac fly sure looked a lot better off the bat.  

Waino just flat out has an arsenal of pitches that's big enough to get him through games.  It may take some time to figure out what isn't working on that day, but once he does, he can drop those pitches and create a gameplan based on the pitches that are working.  The 3-1 and 3-2 pitches (I think both curves) to Gordon in the bottom of the 4th were huge.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 10:34 AM

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Great observations.  Both sides got a lot of bloops from what I could tell.  It is encouraging to be able to win that kind of game. 

Wainwright and Yadi make a formidable battery.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 11:27 AM

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blingboy wrote: I'm using Mo's own terminology. To me it means a short term patch for cheap. Sometimes, with good luck, it works out well, sometimes not. I think the last thing he would have expected to have to do this year is go out looking for something to patch up the rotation.
I know Mo used the term "low-hanging fruit" a few years ago and I have always thought it was mis-understood.

I first heard the term in the late 90's.  It was used by the management consulting firm, Ernst&Young.  E&Y used it to mean making a number of small, easy & quick adjustments to improve your business processes. Afterwards, E&Y went after the more complex and more time-consuming business adjustments which yielded bigger rewards.

I think those many Cardinal fans and media members that automatically associated the term "low-hanging fruit" with the Cardinals being cheap....really didn't get Mo's intended message.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 11:30 AM

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skszyszowski wrote: I know Mo used the term "low-hanging fruit" a few years ago and I have always thought it was mis-understood.

I first heard the term in the late 90's.  It was used by the management consulting firm, Ernst&Young.  E&Y used it to mean making a number of small, easy & quick adjustments to improve your business processes. Afterwards, E&Y went after the more complex and more time-consuming business adjustments which yielded bigger rewards.

I think those many Cardinal fans and media members that automatically associated the term "low-hanging fruit" with the Cardinals being cheap....really didn't get Mo's intended message.
I suspect many more got it, but hammered it anyway. Same ones who harped on "DeWallet" for years. Some continue to believe a franchise cannot be well run unless it overspends.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 12:28 PM

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skszyszowski wrote:
blingboy wrote: I'm using Mo's own terminology. To me it means a short term patch for cheap. Sometimes, with good luck, it works out well, sometimes not. I think the last thing he would have expected to have to do this year is go out looking for something to patch up the rotation.
I know Mo used the term "low-hanging fruit" a few years ago and I have always thought it was mis-understood.

I first heard the term in the late 90's.  It was used by the management consulting firm, Ernst&Young.  E&Y used it to mean making a number of small, easy & quick adjustments to improve your business processes. Afterwards, E&Y went after the more complex and more time-consuming business adjustments which yielded bigger rewards.

I think those many Cardinal fans and media members that automatically associated the term "low-hanging fruit" with the Cardinals being cheap....really didn't get Mo's intended message.
I use 'cheap' in a relative sense.  Beltran was Cheap power compared to what Albert commanded.  

By using the term low hanging fruit, I think Mo implied an element of risk involved.  Availability at a possible bargain price being due to other potential takers having passed for some reason, eg. Berkman.  Sometimes the reason is a good one and the risk doesn't pan out, eg. Smoltz, Fuentes, etc.

So in that sense, it could be characterized as the Cards being cheap.  Going for the riskier guy hoping to get a bargain rather than bucking up for the hot commodity de jour.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 3:32 PM

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Posted: 5/28/2013 3:46 PM

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a day off for Yadi....and Kozma
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Posted: 5/28/2013 3:47 PM

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Domeboys wrote: Tyler Lyons (1-0, 1.29) vs. Ervin Santana (3-4, 3.14). 7:10 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.

Cards lineup: Carpenter 4, Beltran 9, Holliday DH, Craig 7, Adams 3, Freese 5, Cruz 2, Descalso 6, Lyons 1.

Not using a CF?  tongue
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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:31 PM

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blingboy wrote: I bet Mo and is real anxious to see how Tyler does today. He doesn't want to have to go looking for low hanging fruits.

Looking forward to crdswmn's report on the game yesterday. Got to see a rambo-esqe performance from her boy Waino. Seriously, that was a stand up job, fighting through the early innings and settling in. Hope the youngsters were watching.
It seemed many of the Royals hitters had Waino figured out at first.  They were getting lots of lucky hits as well.  Their young CF, Lough, was a particularly pesky hitter.

I think by the 5th inning, Waino adjusted his game plan.  He began to miss bats.  I was surprised when he came out in the 8th inning though, he was right at 100 pitches at the end of the 7th and I figured Matheny would bring Trevor in.  

I was sitting behind and to the left of the Cardinals dugout.  I had my friend who is a Royals fan on one side and a family of Cards fans on my other.  Front and back of me were a mixture of Cards and Royals fans.  No problems occurred, though my friend was kind of quiet after the game was over. wink
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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:43 PM

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blingboy wrote:
I use 'cheap' in a relative sense.  Beltran was Cheap power compared to what Albert commanded.  

By using the term low hanging fruit, I think Mo implied an element of risk involved.  Availability at a possible bargain price being due to other potential takers having passed for some reason, eg. Berkman.  Sometimes the reason is a good one and the risk doesn't pan out, eg. Smoltz, Fuentes, etc.

So in that sense, it could be characterized as the Cards being cheap.  Going for the riskier guy hoping to get a bargain rather than bucking up for the hot commodity de jour.
Low hanging fruit merely means something that is easy to accomplish. In other words, fruit that is hanging low on a tree is easier to pick. When Mo said this he said something to the effect of "We're going to concentrate on the low hanging fruit first." What he was saying is that he wanted to get the things that were easier to accomplish out of the way before focusing on the more difficult tasks. Many, many Cardinal fans apparently didn't understand the metaphor and ripped Mo out of pure ignorance.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:47 PM

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GMan0311 wrote:
blingboy wrote:
I use 'cheap' in a relative sense.  Beltran was Cheap power compared to what Albert commanded.  

By using the term low hanging fruit, I think Mo implied an element of risk involved.  Availability at a possible bargain price being due to other potential takers having passed for some reason, eg. Berkman.  Sometimes the reason is a good one and the risk doesn't pan out, eg. Smoltz, Fuentes, etc.

So in that sense, it could be characterized as the Cards being cheap.  Going for the riskier guy hoping to get a bargain rather than bucking up for the hot commodity de jour.
Low hanging fruit merely means something that is easy to accomplish. In other words, fruit that is hanging low on a tree is easier to pick. When Mo said this he said something to the effect of "We're going to concentrate on the low hanging fruit first." What he was saying is that he wanted to get the things that were easier to accomplish out of the way before focusing on the more difficult tasks. Many, many Cardinal fans apparently didn't understand the metaphor and ripped Mo out of pure ignorance.
Easy to accomplish because virtually no one else wants them.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:49 PM

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My wife's family is from the western part of the state and are as much Royals fans as anyone is.  Cards/Royals is a friendly rivalry. 

One of my brother-in-laws and I were at a Cards game a few years back and were looking at the statue of Stan-the-Man outside Busch.  He thinks the Royals should have a similar statue of Denkinger giving that safe call.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:50 PM

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1. Matt Carpenter (L) 2B
2. Carlos Beltran (S) RF
3. Matt Holliday (R) DH
4. Allen Craig (R) LF
5. Matt Adams (L) 1B
6. David Freese (R) 3B
7. Jon Jay (L) CF
8. Tony Cruz (R) C
9. Daniel Descalso (L) SS
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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:56 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
Easy to accomplish because virtually no one else wants them.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
He was referring to his overall off-season plan if I remember correctly. Low hanging fruit could very well have meant getting extensions done with pre-arb players, etc... Is anyone really crazy enough to think that a man in Mo's position is going to insult his new acquistions by suggesting that they are of poor quality? That isn't what the saying means, and it isn't what Mo meant. I don't know him personally, but he doesn't seem to be a particularly stupid person.

In fact, I just found this quote on Bleacher Report with Mo's explanation for the phrase:
"I've been getting killed on that," said Mozeliak, smiling. "To me, that's defined as getting things done quickly -- like getting (Jason) LaRue done and obviously (Kyle) Lohse.

"I guess I just need to choose my words a little better -- or talk less."
So, he was in fact, talking about dealing with guys who were already Cardinals. Low hanging fruit does not mean dumpster diving, as some people seem to think it does.

Here's a link to that, by the way:  http://bleacherreport.com/arti...dinals-finances

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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:59 PM

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MAP315 wrote: a day off for Yadi....and Kozma
Lost in all the parachutes and seeing eye singles yesterday was another sterling effort by Kozma at SS. He made two back handed stops in the middle of the game on consecutive batters and drilled a frozen rope over two first. Both throws were right at Adams' nose. First runner was slow, Kozma was more diliberate, second guy faster and Kozma accelerated his throw. He also seems to carry himself in a very professional way, unlike a couple of his young predesessors coming up from the minors who are now elsewhere. Just a thought or two, but the kid has exceeded what I really expected from him thus far this season.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 7:44 PM

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I apologize for the short message board outage. I don't know yet the reason.

Cards are up 2-1 in the bottom of the second inning.
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