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Non-game day thread: Thu 5/23

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Posted: 5/23/2013 3:12 PM

Non-game day thread: Thu 5/23 


Sorry, I forgot to start this thread. Have at it!

I will start. From Harold Reynolds on "MLB Now": "I'm being straight up honest. I have no idea what run differential is."
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Posted: 5/23/2013 3:41 PM

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Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
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Posted: 5/23/2013 3:44 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Doubtful
4. Doesn't sound good
5. Doubtful
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Posted: 5/23/2013 3:48 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
Of course, all are opinions.

1. Probably.
2. Yes.
3. I hope not. Read this article about Tulo's physical condition at age 28.
4. Not looking good.
5. Seems like a stretch, doesn't it? (loop back to question #1)
Brian Walton
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Posted: 5/23/2013 3:58 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Hope it's not as bad as it sounds.
Yes.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 4:16 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
1.  I hope so
2.  That would be nice, but kind of tough.
3.  Not a chance.
4.  No clue.
5.  Maybe.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 4:22 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?

1. Hopefully
2. Eventually. I wonder if Craig could play third base, which I believe is where he started. That's a bit of a stretch though - something you do in ST and not during a pennant race.
3. No
4. No idea - from what we see on here, it sounds somewhat serious.
5. Hard to imagine it, although Miller pitches like a vet. My guess is we acquire a guy. or perhaps question 1's subject steps in and puts on one last harrah in storybook finish to a great career.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 5:34 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
1.  Yes.  The flair-up of nerve irritation upon resumption of strenuous activity is a common feature of the post operative course.  It will likely recur but diminish over time.

2.  He will when the team needs him to.

3.  No.  Potential downside too great with no plausible exit strategy.  Ask Arte.

4.  He's done.

5.  Can and will.  Which three rookies remains to be seen.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 7:35 PM

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Who pitches the next no hitter in Cardinals hitter and will it be this season?

I say Miller in 2014.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 9:16 PM

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I have a question: Is anyone else lightly starting to question the Cardinals management of their upper level pitching prospects?

With Garica out for the year and Westbrook suddenly an unknown, suddenly the team has two rotation spots being filled by rookies. Now, heading into the year that would have made since with Martinez, Maness and Rosenthal all seasoned starters and notable prospects, but now all three of those players have been cast into the bullpen and at this point it would probably be safer to just keep them there rather than yo-yoing their workload. I just question if they may have addressed a clear need, by rushing to see their big prospects. I don't see the point in having veteran bullpen arms in the minors if you aren't going to call them up when you need them.

Really this all circles back to my continued concern for Mo and Company's ability to build a bullpen. I really think he needs to do a better job bringing in veterans for spring training, if for nothing more than a flier. Bullpen guys recycle throughout the league all the time. Good bullpens usually have a couple retreads that pitch their way out of camp, perform well for a season and then vanish. If the bullpen had been a little more stable to start this season we could be looking at Martinez and/or Maness filling those rotation spots right now.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 10:04 PM

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Regarding question #5. it may dependon who those 3 rookies are.  If they are Miller and 2 of Rosie, Martinez, and Wacha the answer might be different than if it is Miller, Gast, and Lyons.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 10:46 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
1. Yes (as long as his arm doesn't start acting up again).....  :)
2. Not this year.
3. I'd still take Tulo in a heartbeat if a physical exam by the Cardinals said the risk is
    not as bad as the writer for the Denver Post made it sound. He's one of the top
    players in the game and he's still only 28. This kind of article makes me wonder if
    Rox' front office isn't preparing their fan base for a trade of their biggest star
    player.
4.  I think when a pitcher is not able to come back when expected, you
    have to assume that its serious.
5. The Reds look strong from top to bottom. Their pitching overall is more
    experienced. But I still think the Cardinals have enough to win the Central with
    the pitching that they have as long as Wainwright stays healthy. The stopper in
    a bullpen adds the same kind of stability to a starting rotation that a dominant
    closer adds to a bullpen. Its true, though, that rookies can go through the same
    kind of adversity that Boggs is going through. If that happens to more than one
    of the three, then obviously we are in trouble.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 11:41 PM

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KylMss wrote: I have a question: Is anyone else lightly starting to question the Cardinals management of their upper level pitching prospects?

With Garica out for the year and Westbrook suddenly an unknown, suddenly the team has two rotation spots being filled by rookies. Now, heading into the year that would have made since with Martinez, Maness and Rosenthal all seasoned starters and notable prospects, but now all three of those players have been cast into the bullpen and at this point it would probably be safer to just keep them there rather than yo-yoing their workload. I just question if they may have addressed a clear need, by rushing to see their big prospects. I don't see the point in having veteran bullpen arms in the minors if you aren't going to call them up when you need them.

Really this all circles back to my continued concern for Mo and Company's ability to build a bullpen. I really think he needs to do a better job bringing in veterans for spring training, if for nothing more than a flier. Bullpen guys recycle throughout the league all the time. Good bullpens usually have a couple retreads that pitch their way out of camp, perform well for a season and then vanish. If the bullpen had been a little more stable to start this season we could be looking at Martinez and/or Maness filling those rotation spots right now.
I'd rather see the youngsters given a chance than more Miguel Batistas and J.C. Romeros.
Brian Walton
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Posted: 5/24/2013 7:02 AM

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ageelaw wrote: Just seeking answers or opinions here:
1. Will Chris Carpenter pitch again for the Cardinals?
2. Should Matt Adams be starting more games?
3. Is there any chance the Cards might still try to acquire Troy Tulowinski?
4. How serious is Westbrook's arm problem?
5. Can this team win the Central with three rookies in the starting rotation?
1. Yes, most likely (I'm certainly rooting for it. Go Carp Go!!!)
2. No, His playing time comes at the expense of Holiday or Beltran.  The All-Stars only sit when they need rest, not when a rookie needs to play.
3. No, No, No
4. Enough
5. Maybe, but (almost) for sure this team can get to the post-season with three rookie starting pitchers.

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Posted: 5/24/2013 7:22 AM

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Another national article praising the Cardinals, this time from CBS.
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Posted: 5/24/2013 9:35 AM

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Did anyone else spend their non-game day at Busch Stadium watching soccer? I was there and it was absolutely fantastic. 48,000+ were in attendance and I've never seen Busch so packed before. It was really a great night for the city of St. Louis and the Cardinals did a great job of playing host on a global stage.
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Posted: 5/24/2013 10:50 AM

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I wouldn't watch a soccer game if they played it in my back yard.
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Posted: 5/24/2013 12:59 PM

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Jmodene1 wrote: I wouldn't watch a soccer game if they played it in my back yard.
Neither would I.

Soccer is the most boring sport on the planet.
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Posted: 5/24/2013 2:35 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
Jmodene1 wrote: I wouldn't watch a soccer game if they played it in my back yard.
Neither would I.

Soccer is the most boring sport on the planet.

OTOH, back in the late 70's/early 80's, I did kind of enjoy MISL - the indoor soccer played in the arenas.  Not as much running (since the field was much smaller) and a lot more scoring - 8-6 was a typical score.  St. Louis had a franchise in that league (games were aired on USA Network) and I remember one of their players, a guy named, if I'm spelling it correctly, Shlomo Ilievsky.
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Posted: 5/24/2013 3:12 PM

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crdswmn wrote:
Jmodene1 wrote: I wouldn't watch a soccer game if they played it in my back yard.
Neither would I.

Soccer is the most boring sport on the planet.


I'll 3rd that.

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