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Eduardo Sanchez?

Posted: 5/22/2013 12:41 AM

Eduardo Sanchez? 


I just wanted to post this, because the move had me a little confused. It sort of came in under the radar, but the Cardinals waived Sanchez to make room on the 40-man and lost him to the Cubs.

I have to scratch my head on this one. I don't know if Sanchez has done something to irritate the Cardinals or shown them something his numbers don't, but I just can't understand what the thinking was in trying to sneak this guy through waivers. Obviously, the team had to make room to call up Lyons, but looking over the teams 40-man it seems like they had better options to waive. I feel like a guy like Jorge Rondon, Sam Freeman, Victor Marte, Maikel Cleto or Eric Fornataro would have been more understandable options.
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Posted: 5/22/2013 1:12 AM

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Apparently they like others more than Sanchez. Its an issue when you have so called depth in your organization.

Sanchez is seen as a risk by some due to his injuries. Losing a minor league bullpen arm doesn't compare to a starter. See Garcia!

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Posted: 5/22/2013 5:11 AM

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KylMss wrote: I just wanted to post this, because the move had me a little confused. It sort of came in under the radar, but the Cardinals waived Sanchez to make room on the 40-man and lost him to the Cubs.

I have to scratch my head on this one. I don't know if Sanchez has done something to irritate the Cardinals or shown them something his numbers don't, but I just can't understand what the thinking was in trying to sneak this guy through waivers. Obviously, the team had to make room to call up Lyons, but looking over the teams 40-man it seems like they had better options to waive. I feel like a guy like Jorge Rondon, Sam Freeman, Victor Marte, Maikel Cleto or Eric Fornataro would have been more understandable options.
KylMss, and others who missed it, there is some discussion about Sanchez being claimed by the cubs in game thread: 2013 MLB game 45 thread: Cards at Padres: Tue 5/21.

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Posted: 5/22/2013 8:22 AM

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I would have rather seen a vet like Marte go. In spite of his minor league success and a brief good run at St. Louis last year he has been torched every time they used him late last year and this year before he was sent down.

I don't see the logic of giving up a young arm with a seemingly useless vet on the roster.

The Cardinal brass must have felt the arm was not going to get better and that we have seen the best from Sanchez in 2010.
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Posted: 5/22/2013 8:28 AM

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Sanchez just never was the same after he hurt his shoulder. I hope we are not seeing the future of Jaime Garcia.
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Posted: 5/22/2013 9:04 AM

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Rondon, Cleto, and Fornatero are young guys with live arms.  I can see putting them ahead of Sanchez on the pecking order because they see promise in those three.  I don't know if that assessment is right, but seems plausible.  Given Freeman is a lefty with good velocity the same applies.

But keeping Marte around instead of Sanchez does surprise me.  It's hard for me to see Marte's future with the Cards.
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Posted: 5/22/2013 10:23 AM

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I agree I find it hard to understand why Marte is still around.
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Posted: 5/22/2013 10:25 AM

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I read this post over at Cards Talk.  It's by one of the posters that follows the minors pretty closely.  If the pitch speeds are accurate it explains a lot about the release:


Eduardo Sanchez just came off the DL in Memphis (forearm strain) and has pitched 4 innings in 6 games with a whip of 2.50 and an ERA of 9.00 since he came back

He was on the 15- day DL in 2011 with a shoulder strain.
He was on the 60- day DL in 2011 with a shoulder impingement
He was on the DL in 2012 with a right elbow strain

Where he once pitched at 94-97 mph with his FB ... he barely touched 91 last year and this year has not touch 90. His last 5 games in Memphis (after the DL) he is barely throwing 88 mph.



When you combine the above with the report from Spring Training that Sanchez wasn't responsive to coaching advice, this move actually doesn't surprise me.

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Posted: 5/22/2013 10:31 AM

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blingboy wrote: Sanchez just never was the same after he hurt his shoulder. I hope we are not seeing the future of Jaime Garcia.
We are.
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Posted: 5/22/2013 10:32 AM

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Not necessarily.  Garcia is lefthanded.  If he loses his velocity, he can always recast himself as Randy Jones or Jamie Moyer.  tongue
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Posted: 5/22/2013 11:29 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote: Not necessarily.  Garcia is lefthanded.  If he loses his velocity, he can always recast himself as Randy Jones or Jamie Moyer.  tongue
Or Rick Ankiel?  ohlord
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Posted: 5/22/2013 10:52 PM

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Thanks, UConn.  Stuff I had not heard.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 8:14 AM

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UConnCard wrote: I read this post over at Cards Talk.  It's by one of the posters that follows the minors pretty closely.  If the pitch speeds are accurate it explains a lot about the release:


Eduardo Sanchez just came off the DL in Memphis (forearm strain) and has pitched 4 innings in 6 games with a whip of 2.50 and an ERA of 9.00 since he came back

He was on the 15- day DL in 2011 with a shoulder strain.
He was on the 60- day DL in 2011 with a shoulder impingement
He was on the DL in 2012 with a right elbow strain

Where he once pitched at 94-97 mph with his FB ... he barely touched 91 last year and this year has not touch 90. His last 5 games in Memphis (after the DL) he is barely throwing 88 mph.



When you combine the above with the report from Spring Training that Sanchez wasn't responsive to coaching advice, this move actually doesn't surprise me.


Where did you get those numbers??? They are not accurate AT ALL.

2011 Fastball Velocity - 93.4 MPH
2012 Fastball Velocity - 95.1 MPH

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Posted: 5/23/2013 8:30 AM

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I would trust Uconn's numbers over Fangraphs any day.  She knows of what she speaks, and she doesn't trot stuff out lightly.

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Posted: 5/23/2013 8:57 AM

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I would trust Uconn's numbers over Fangraphs any day.  She knows of what she speaks, and she doesn't trot stuff out lightly.



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For sure. Pads judgement is at the top of the class as well, so which persons info is correct? UCONN vs Pads....take your pick....I'd have to draw straws.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 10:51 AM

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It's important to look at the years on Fangraphs. UConn was speaking on Sanchez's velocity so far this season. Those Fangraphs numbers are averages from the previous two seasons, which was prior to his most recent shoulder issues.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 10:52 AM

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UConn has already said those are not her numbers but she relayed infomration posted on another forum. I would trust UConn's numbers implicitly, I have less faith in numbers posted on the other forum. Pads numbers are trustworthy, as well.

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Posted: 5/23/2013 11:25 AM

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KylMss wrote: It's important to look at the years on Fangraphs. UConn was speaking on Sanchez's velocity so far this season.

Those Fangraphs numbers are averages from the previous two seasons, which was prior to his most recent shoulder issues.


UConnCard wrote:

Where he once pitched at 94-97 mph with his FB ... he barely touched 91 last year and this year has not touch 90.


I just went by fangraphs....Those aren't my numbers. They're everyone's.
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Posted: 5/23/2013 12:02 PM

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Oqie11 wrote: UConn has already said those are not her numbers but she relayed infomration posted on another forum. I would trust UConn's numbers implicitly, I have less faith in numbers posted on the other forum. Pads numbers are trustworthy, as well.
This. 

I specifically stated that the post below was from a poster on another forum.  I also gave the caveat that IF the numbers were accurate, it would explain a lot.

These are not my numbers.

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Posted: 5/23/2013 1:02 PM

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UConnCard wrote:
Oqie11 wrote: UConn has already said those are not her numbers but she relayed infomration posted on another forum. I would trust UConn's numbers implicitly, I have less faith in numbers posted on the other forum. Pads numbers are trustworthy, as well.
This. 

I specifically stated that the post below was from a poster on another forum.  I also gave the caveat that IF the numbers were accurate, it would explain a lot.

These are not my numbers.

I must've missed that. My bad!
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