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Which pitching fail is greatest concern

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Posted: 4/4/2013 6:49 AM

Which pitching fail is greatest concern 


In a one run game, even Choate's performance - one batter faced, one inherited runner scored - is a significant fail.  But it gets lost among the unglier outings by others.  Lynn, Kelly, Rosey, Boggs, Salas. 

My first thought was either Lynn or Boggs was most troubling.  But I am also concerned that Rosenthal couldn't handle consecutive games.  If that proves to be the case, it is a big problem for the pen, since he wouldn't be a suitable 8th inning guy, or backup closer.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 7:09 AM

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blingboy wrote: In a one run game, even Choate's performance - one batter faced, one inherited runner scored - is a significant fail.  But it gets lost among the unglier outings by others.  Lynn, Kelly, Rosey, Boggs, Salas. 

My first thought was either Lynn or Boggs was most troubling.  But I am also concerned that Rosenthal couldn't handle consecutive games.  If that proves to be the case, it is a big problem for the pen, since he wouldn't be a suitable 8th inning guy, or backup closer.

159 games left...
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Posted: 4/4/2013 7:26 AM

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Bling not sure if you watched the game but it really wasn't a big deal. Rosie gave up an infield fluke hit to Parra, when otherwise the guy almost hit for the cycle. It was a curve after 3 consecutive changes. The announcers indicated that it seemed that Molina was trying to "trick" Parra because he was expecting the fastball. Rosie did slightly hang a curve to Prado for the hit and Hill just got on top of a letter high fastball for the single. Nothing much you can do on that other than to throw it another 3 inches higher to see if he will swing through it.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 7:31 AM

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PadsFS wrote:
159 games left...

Yes, you're right.  I tend to take a Cards loss as a crushing blow to the civilized world. 


But on the other hand, we're tied for last in the NL Central, eating Cubbie dust.  An outrage.  Heads should roll.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 7:40 AM

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I watched until I dozed off around the 11th. I'm sorry to differ, but I thought Rosenthal was nothing like his normal self. 39 pitches to get through 2 IP. I do admit his didn't really stand out among a bunch of shakey appearances. He will need to convince me he can handle consecutive games. I hope he does.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 8:15 AM

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It's game 3 of the season and we are already talking about pitching failures?

I guess we need a rolling rotation of about 100 arms so that every time a pitcher doesn't meet our standards we can behead him and move on to the next one.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 8:35 AM

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blingboy wrote:
PadsFS wrote:
159 games left...

Yes, you're right.  I tend to take a Cards loss as a crushing blow to the civilized world. 


But on the other hand, we're tied for last in the NL Central, eating Cubbie dust.  An outrage.  Heads should roll.

LAST PLACE! Haha
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Posted: 4/4/2013 12:11 PM

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Yeah, way too early to bring up big concerns.

Usually the best way to approach a baseball season is to get through the first month or so of the season, and have your first real "gut check" on your club around Memorial Day. 

If your emotions are going to ride with each game in April and May, you'll drive yourself crazy.  So relax Bling, and let's see how things look in a few weeks. We really need to get Motte back, so once he's out there again things should stabilize a lot.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 2:14 PM

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This was one of those games where no pitcher was going to escape unscathed.  It happens sometimes.  The surprise is that Rzep and Salas pitched better than we might have expected.

And you're right; we need to see if Rosenthal can pitch on consecutive days.  I'm not sure if he ever had before (I don't have the postseason pitching lines handy at the moment).
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Posted: 4/4/2013 3:59 PM

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It's April 4th. If you're concerned with anything right now, you need to find a new sport to follow.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 4:10 PM

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How about we talk about the spring a couple of guys had?

If you go back that far you have 1-2 to be concerned about. 1 guy for sure we flat out need to be worried about.

But it's early! I get it but it's never that early to eat our own. 2011 every wanted to get the alert 5 aircraft out after the first 2-3 series. I totally get why some jump the gun. I can be one of those folks. Sometime I count to 10 and pull out the Kate Upton SI swimsuit addition and my mind goes to a happy place.

 Suggested U. of Illinois mascots

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Posted: 4/4/2013 4:56 PM

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The long season is what separates the men from the boys.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 8:02 PM

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Id say lynn simply because we lose a possible trade chip in kelly should we go for tulo at some point
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Posted: 4/4/2013 8:12 PM

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I've heard comparable feedback for a long time because I've been the way I am about baseball for a long time. Growing up I was taught that a loss opening day can eventually have the same consequences as a loss any other time. So a poor performance now can have the same consequences as a poor performance then. Potentially, we could be in a hole by Memorial Day, so I get concerned from day one. The idea that its a long season and there is time for things to fall into place and for guys to come around is absolutely wrong IMO.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 9:09 PM

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While it's true that a loss in April counts just like a loss in September, the fact is that a loss in April is a lot easier to deal with - because we have far more opportunities to make up for it.  Not so in September.

The fact is that the early part of the season is where teams have to feel their way around and see just what works and what doesn't work.  Spring training is not sufficient because the games aren't being played "for real" - some players are playing hard, trying to win jobs, while others are just using the games to get in shape or work on something new.

This is why an ST record really means nothing.  As Stengel or somebody said, "We have to see how we do when the other guys are trying, too."

Unfortunately, there are too many fans who take each loss far too seriously.  This is what I have long termed the "Steinbrennerization" of baseball, this tendency to expect nothing but success game-in and game-out.  The really extreme examples are ready to condemn a guy to the minors (or worse) after a third-inning strikeout.

Try to remember Herzog's mantra:  "Not too high, and not too low."
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Posted: 4/5/2013 12:38 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote: The long season is what separates the men from the boys.
You sure it is not that Kate Upton swimsuit edition? devil

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Posted: 4/5/2013 5:36 AM

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I tend to think it take s a few weeks for most teams to get completely into the grind of a season... For scouting reports to filter down and for the pitchers to find the holes in guys swings.. The day before Boggs and Rosie dominated the D-Backs hitters.. Thats baseball and one of the reasons why I love it... Each day is a fresh start and a chance to prove one self...
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Posted: 4/5/2013 6:14 AM

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Better early than late. the previous years have proven that we shouldn't take the regular season lightly...especially this year more than ever, because unlike 2001 and '11, we have to win a do or die game just to get into the playoffs, and I would rather not go through that again. Win the division and let the chips fall where they may.

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Posted: 4/5/2013 7:19 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote:

Unfortunately, there are too many fans who take each loss far too seriously.  This is what I have long termed the "Steinbrennerization" of baseball, this tendency to expect nothing but success game-in and game-out.  The really extreme examples are ready to condemn a guy to the minors (or worse) after a third-inning strikeout.

Try to remember Herzog's mantra:  "Not too high, and not too low."

Have you seen the Bronx is Burning series? I bought the DVD's on Amazon for like $5 after someone recommended it (here I believe in that movie thread) and it was really good. A little cheesy, but good.

Man, if Steinbrenner is half as bad as the juicebag on the show, he would've been a horrible owner to play for.

Jackson and Martin actually come off pretty good and I think they were both miscast on that team (in the DVDs at least)
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:30 AM

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PadsFS wrote:
Jmodene1 wrote:

Unfortunately, there are too many fans who take each loss far too seriously.  This is what I have long termed the "Steinbrennerization" of baseball, this tendency to expect nothing but success game-in and game-out.  The really extreme examples are ready to condemn a guy to the minors (or worse) after a third-inning strikeout.

Try to remember Herzog's mantra:  "Not too high, and not too low."

Have you seen the Bronx is Burning series? I bought the DVD's on Amazon for like $5 after someone recommended it (here I believe in that movie thread) and it was really good. A little cheesy, but good.

Man, if Steinbrenner is half as bad as the juicebag on the show, he would've been a horrible owner to play for.

Jackson and Martin actually come off pretty good and I think they were both miscast on that team (in the DVDs at least)

I have not seen the series, but I've read enough about Georgie Porgy over the years to know he was the worst of all baseball owners.  The Yankees didn't start doing better until he stopped meddling.

Steinbrenner was the sort who, if someone had a bad game (or even a bad inning) he could expect to be on the Columbus shuttle before the game was over.
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