I've heard/read enough about the pitching motion/delivery of Carlos and Tyrell to want to take a better look.  Video I've found isn't too good.  If anybody can link to some good video I'd appreciate it.  Both wind-up and stretch would be great, along with any thoughts.

Here are some of his Mechanics as of August 2011 but I believe they have since worked with him even more to change them.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaWCfkBW6oI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz1oGFoPUQA

Video of Martinez as of April 2012 was before he revamped his delivery to be less violent and smoother in the finish about mid-season when the organization smoothed it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axwcslc8b2U

Video of the uber-athletic right handed pitching prospect Jenkins in early August 2012. As you can by watching this he has tone down the leg kick and is now using more of his lower half and more legs that help be straight in line towards the plate. Hope he can stay healthy and consistent in '13.

I think a few in Cardinal Nation our down on Jenkins because of his lack of consistency and the shoulder issue. I still think he has one of the highest upsides in our organization. Just a much lesser chance of it working out for him.

scadder21 wrote: I think a few in Cardinal Nation our down on Jenkins because of his lack of consistency and the shoulder issue. I still think he has one of the highest upsides in our organization. Just a much lesser chance of it working out for him.

Fully agree. Believe '13 he will put something together.

I just want a full healthy season out of him this year. I'm not overly concerned with putting it together yet. I think he will be in Peoria again this year.He was in QC last year but QC is now Peoria.

Looking at Martinez' arm action, as he breaks his hands, his elbow gets low and stays low, staying below the level of his shoulders. This should bode well for him in regards to avoiding future shoulder problems. People like painters and pipefitters, who spend a lot of time working above their heads are much more susceptible to shoulder injury....pitchers doing the same thing are asking for the same trouble.

pugsleyaddams wrote: Looking at Martinez' arm action, as he breaks his hands, his elbow gets low and stays low, staying below the level of his shoulders. This should bode well for him in regards to avoiding future shoulder problems. People like painters and pipefitters, who spend a lot of time working above their heads are much more susceptible to shoulder injury....pitchers doing the same thing are asking for the same trouble.

I can attest to this Pugs. As a lifelong painter i do indeed have some serious shoulder issues. I now work at something other than painting and will from here on out. I am just no longer able to do what i love to do w/o unbearable pain. The Jenkins guy reminds me of Dontrelle Willis a little. There are an awful lot of moving parts there.

I just don't think he has his delivery down pat yet. It has always been very smooth but the leg kick seems too high and it doesn't seem to be helping him much.

scadder21 wrote: I just don't think he has his delivery down pat yet. It has always been very smooth but the leg kick seems too high and it doesn't seem to be helping him much.

My concern is that he won't be able to stay compact with all that movement. Dontrelle developed a head issue IMO. By that i mean his head came flying open and it would end up in a different spot on every pitch. Hard to maintain consistency that way. Jenkins is long and is reported to be an exceptional athlete but that delivery is very worrisome IMO.

I agree, I don't remember the huge leg kick when I saw him near the end of last year. He may have shortened it up but I can't know for sure. I will let people know when I'm in Jupiter if it's changed or still high.

C-Mart facing Taveras at the 2:58 totally smoked that high and inside fastball... I hadnt seen that clip... I sat here and replayed that about a dozen times.. gonna have to forward this clip to some friends and my brother.. Since they are always asking me what young players the Cards have coming up.... They to lazy to follow themselves....

Nice video DT, thanks. Martinez's delivery is kinda violent and very awkward looking at the end as he falls away. Reminds me of Bob Gibson's motion if could be smoothed out a bit.

Jenkins doesn't seem to be using his lower body as much as you'd think with that leg kick, not much follow through. But I don't see where the kick itself is a problem.

Look forward to Scadder's reports.

Teufelshunde4 wrote: C-Mart facing Taveras at the 2:58 totally smoked that high and inside fastball... I hadnt seen that clip... I sat here and replayed that about a dozen times.. gonna have to forward this clip to some friends and my brother.. Since they are always asking me what young players the Cards have coming up.... They to lazy to follow themselves....

I believe that game was broadcast or rebroadcast.  That was my favorite part of the game. C-Mart v Oscar.  He took a 95+ MPH fastball and hit a bullet triple to the wall that got out there in a second.  Not only that he got around the bases so fast too.  That's my favorite moment.

blingboy wrote: Nice video DT, thanks. Martinez's delivery is kinda violent and very awkward looking at the end as he falls away. Reminds me of Bob Gibson's motion if could be smoothed out a bit.

Jenkins doesn't seem to be using his lower body as much as you'd think with that leg kick, not much follow through. But I don't see where the kick itself is a problem.

Look forward to Scadder's reports.

That's kind of what I meant.  The kick isn't leading to any momentum towards the plate and it's not helping him use his lower body to pitch the ball.  If the leg kick isn't used to increase momentum or hip explosion than it's not worth having it.  I agree and that is a possible reason he's been having shoulder issues(i.e. the abrupt shoulder deceleration).

scadder21 wrote:
That's kind of what I meant.  The kick isn't leading to any momentum towards the plate and it's not helping him use his lower body to pitch the ball.  If the leg kick isn't used to increase momentum or hip explosion than it's not worth having it.  I agree and that is a possible reason he's been having shoulder issues(i.e. the abrupt shoulder deceleration).

I wonder if he might have got drilled in the past and is overly worried about being ready to field his position.

Video I have from Carlos Martinez's start against the Tulsa Drillers on June-25th-2012. Chance to see his revamped less violent delivery that has lead to him becoming more of a pitcher and polishing up quite a bit. By watching the video you can till his delivery is much more smoother in the finish, now he's keeping his glove at his chest, turning the hips and having a longer stride. He’s also not falling off wildly to the side like he did last year most likely as a result of being more lined up and straight to the plate. Essentially, this looks like a standard pitching delivery when in the past it didn’t. This has caused him to hide the ball more and throw more over the top has really increased his effectiveness on the mound.

http://videos.videopress.com/V9vhTnXu/carlos-marti nez-vs-tulsa-6-25-12_std.mp4

http://videos.videopress.com/V9vhTnXu/carlos-marti nez-vs-tulsa-6-25-12_std.mp4

Your video link isn't working.

Maybe it's just me but neither are working.

Video works for me on iPad