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The new Lance Lynn
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:08 AM
The new Lance Lynn
Lynn apparently weighed in at 229 this morning, down 40 pounds from last year.
About making the rotation, he said this to Jenifer Langosch of MLB.com:
"I was an 18-game winner last yr w/ an All-Star appearance. I have to do a lot of things to lose a spot, IMO."
What do people think?
Last edited 2/12/2013 9:10 AM by Domeboys
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:15 AM
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I think hes right..
Waino
jaime
westy
lynn
FA, rosenthal, miller, kelly
I think it was kind of a ballsy statement, but I like the confidence.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:36 AM
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He has to throw like he did in the first half last year and push himself to be better if he doesn't. If he throws like he did in the first half, it is his to lose and someone else will be out of the rotation before he would be. |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:38 AM
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Based on the photo I saw, I'm shocked he goes 229. He must be a big boy.
The statement is spot on, IMO, if not politically correct.
I think it is good that he is going in with confidence after having made a maximum effort to carry out the org's off-season fitness program for him.
A 20 win season and another all star game is a plausible goal. Things have to go right, of course.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:51 AM
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He is listed at 6-foot-5 and that seems about right to me.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:55 AM
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Yikes, that is pretty big. He could be photographed next to Wainy without looking like a runt.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:49 AM
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Throw Lohse into that rotation; please, Mo, please.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 12:16 PM
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Mo reiterated again this morning that he isn't bringing in any pitchers. From Jenifer Langosch of MLB.com on twitter:
"To those still holding out hope that Kyle Lohse returns: Stop now. #STLCards GM Mozeliak says he doesn't expect the team to add a starter."
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:25 PM
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As much as I like and respect Mo, this just seems like a big mistake.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 7:08 PM
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Teams must have the same inkling I have about how Lohse's 2013 campaign is going to turn out. My crystal ball foretells either significant time lost due to injury or a big drop off in efficiency. Hope I'm wrong because he really seems like a class act. If he was just 5 years younger, he'd be wearing pinstripes this year with a new mega-6 year contract under his belt.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:03 PM
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I think they'll be fine without Lohse, but much depends on what they know about the pitchers' health. They can survive if one of the top four (Waino, Westbrook, Garcia, Lynn) can't go. Two would be hard. It'll be good to get one of the kids acclimated to the rotation this year. In an ideal world, one more of them replaces Westbrook next year. Break the kids in one at a time. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:13 PM
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Lohse's best years for us by far were his first year when we had him for about 4M and last year which was his walk year. The best thing for Lohse and the team that ultimately signs him would be a 1-year contract with an option each year for the team that signed him. Fat chance of that ever happening.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:22 PM
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Why would it be best for Lohse to take a 1 year contract with an option? He deserves a longish contract from whoever signs him.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:30 AM
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He wouldn't take a one-year contract because he doesn't need to take the risk as long as there is somebody who will give him a long-term contract. I just think Lohse has trouble keeping himself motivated while working under a long-term contract as evidenced by his performance when the pressure is on for him.
That's all. I know its not going to happen. When he was here, I never liked him as much as some of the other players for that reason.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:37 AM
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Domeboys wrote: Mo reiterated again this morning that he isn't bringing in any pitchers. From Jenifer Langosch of MLB.com on twitter:
"To those still holding out hope that Kyle Lohse returns: Stop now. #STLCards GM Mozeliak says he doesn't expect the team to add a starter." Usually when Mo is so adamant about something it is for a good reason. There's more to Lohse they see that they don't like then just the cost of a contract and an already crowded rotation.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:08 AM
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DMENS wrote:
Domeboys wrote: Mo reiterated again this morning that he isn't bringing in any pitchers. From Jenifer Langosch of MLB.com on twitter:
"To those still holding out hope that Kyle Lohse returns: Stop now. #STLCards GM Mozeliak says he doesn't expect the team to add a starter." Usually when Mo is so adamant about something it is for a good reason. There's more to Lohse they see that they don't like then just the cost of a contract and an already crowded rotation. I don't think their position has anything to do with Lohse specifically; they aren't adding any starters, period - not Joe Saunders, not Dan Haren, not nobody. Clearly, the brass has decided to go with the youth in this case. I'm still guessing Miller winds up the fifth starter, Kelly winds up the swingman and moves into the rotation if/when Garcia goes down, and Rosenthal stays in the bullpen where he was so dominant late last season. Which doesn't add up to good news for guys like Salas and Sanchez. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:11 AM
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Domeboys wrote: Lynn apparently weighed in at 229 this morning, down 40 pounds from last year.
About making the rotation, he said this to Jenifer Langosch of MLB.com:
"I was an 18-game winner last yr w/ an All-Star appearance. I have to do a lot of things to lose a spot, IMO."
What do people think?
Viva El Bierdos wrote this and I COMPLETELY agree:
Lynn also cites his 18 pitching "wins" as the basis for his entitlement to a spot in the rotation. A pitching "win" has as much to do with a pitcher's run support and the performance of that day's relievers as anything the pitcher does on the mound. A starting pitcher can surrender six runs in 5 1/3 innings and still manage a "no decision" if his offense hits enough. This was Lynn's fate on June 24 against the Royals when the Cards lost 11-8. A starter can also give up six runs in five innings pitched and earn a pitching "win" if his offense plates nine runs that day. Lynn notched a pitching "win" doing just this on July 27 against the Cubs when the Redbirds won by a score of 9-6. A reliever can be credited with a pitching "win" by throwing a single inning and having his offense score the game-winning run the next half-inning. Lynn earned a pitching "win" in this manner on September 9 against Milwaukee.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/20...-lance-lynns-to
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:40 AM
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PadsFS wrote: "A pitching "win" has as much to do with a pitcher's run support and the performance of that day's relievers as anything the pitcher does on the mound." Obviously, all these factors are relevant, but I have not seen any substantive evidence that the the former two are equal to or greater than the first over the long haul as is postulated in the quoted sentence. Any given day, there can be examples in any and all directions - a pitcher throws a shutout, the offense scores ten or the pen bails the starter out of a serious jam.
Last edited 2/15/2013 11:42 AM by Domeboys
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:54 AM
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Either way, I think Lynn has his work cut out for him and, for Cardinals fans, that is a good thing.
2 spots for 4 guys and Garcia's shoulder hanging by a thread.
Sounds good to me.
I honestly think Miller or Rosenthal could win the NL rookie of the year if they pitched in the rotation for the majority of the year.
They are that good (and hungry)
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:38 PM
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More to the point, remember that when TLR and DD tried to spread out their rotation in Oakland by having three guys pitch three innings each, the "starters" were upset because by only pitching 3 innings, they were ineligible for the W.
Sure, pitcher wins are dependent on a number of factors - nevertheless, they're not meaningless either. A starter has to be doing something right to accumulate a large number of wins. For that matter, there's an old baseball adage, which was usually brought out when a guy like Phil Niekro lost 20 games, that a pitcher had to be reasonably good in order to stay in the rotation long enough to lose that many games.
Point being, Lynn's not being unreasonable by suggesting that his 18 wins last season ought to earn him a little consideration in the battle for a rotation spot. He would be unreasonable, perhaps, if he were to suggest that he's "entitled" to being in the rotation, but that's true for almost any pitcher who's not an established star.
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