bicyclemike wrote: Norris would lose 2 or 3 wins a year if he joins us!

pugsleyaddams wrote: but that is really the last area of concern that I have regarding the 2013 Cardinal club.

You might want to rethink this.

I don't want to say it but out of all the potential problems that can come up the rotation can be the biggest headache we could have. I wouldn't say one of those guys in the roatation is a sure thing to make it through the season with out some sort of issue along the way.

619illinibooyah wrote:

pugsleyaddams wrote: but that is really the last area of concern that I have regarding the 2013 Cardinal club.

You might want to rethink this.

I don't want to say it but out of all the potential problems that can come up the rotation can be the biggest headache we could have. I wouldn't say one of those guys in the roatation is a sure thing to make it through the season with out some sort of issue along the way.

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

619illinibooyah wrote:

pugsleyaddams wrote: but that is really the last area of concern that I have regarding the 2013 Cardinal club.

You might want to rethink this.

I don't want to say it but out of all the potential problems that can come up the rotation can be the biggest headache we could have. I wouldn't say one of those guys in the roatation is a sure thing to make it through the season with out some sort of issue along the way.

That is where Miller, Kelly and Rosenthall come in. All three showed they could pitch at this level last year IMO. Moz has done a great job of holding on to our young pitching and it is time to start seeing the fruits of their plan. I would rather see them bring in a lefty like Capuano if anything. I am like Pugs, the rotation is the least of our worries. A lefty would offer depth in case Garcia is hurt or Zep flames out again. I can't see Norris at all. This team needs mid infielders and more specifically a SS.

BobReed wrote: I assume that acquiring Bud Norris would be the precursor to a trade for Asdrubal Cabrera, since the Injuns were (supposedly) seeking multiple pitchers.

How do you fellow Redbird fans feel about, say, Lance Lynn plus Joe Kelly plus Tyrell Jenkins for Mr. Cabrera?

If Asdrubal would agree pre-trade to a 2-3 year contract extension at a modest price ($12-14M per annum) I think I'd make that deal. Then let Bud battle it out with Miller and Rosie for the vacated starter slot.

An upgrade at SS is an upgrade regardless.  We currently have a no bat, no glove SS.

Secondly, we would have Norris in the rotation as the 5th man.  I would assume Rosenthal starts in the bullpen as insurance and to limit his innings (innings load last 4 years: 58, 34, 135.3, 140.3)

Miller possibly starts out in AAA.

Then bam! Garcia goes down, Miller comes up.

Or bam! Garcia and Carpenter go down, Miller and Rosenthal step in.

At this point, yes it would be a bit of a struggle, but you have to think, Carlos Martinez would be in AAA and has electric stuff as would Manness and Gast, both of which could be solid.  Whiting or Wacha could also spot start or continue their march upward through the organization.

A few years ago, when Lohse and Penny went down, we replace them with Hawksworth and Suppan. We aren't in that position anymore.

I wouldn't really want to give up Jenkins in that deal though. 

PadsFS wrote:

An upgrade at SS is an upgrade regardless.  We currently have a no bat, no glove SS.

Secondly, we would have Norris in the rotation as the 5th man.  I would assume Rosenthal starts in the bullpen as insurance and to limit his innings (innings load last 4 years: 58, 34, 135.3, 140.3)

Miller possibly starts out in AAA.

Then bam! Garcia goes down, Miller comes up.

Or bam! Garcia and Carpenter go down, Miller and Rosenthal step in.

At this point, yes it would be a bit of a struggle, but you have to think, Carlos Martinez would be in AAA and has electric stuff as would Manness and Gast, both of which could be solid.  Whiting or Wacha could also spot start or continue their march upward through the organization.

A few years ago, when Lohse and Penny went down, we replace them with Hawksworth and Suppan. We aren't in that position anymore.

I wouldn't really want to give up Jenkins in that deal though. 

scadder21 wrote:
Right now SS is fine.  People seem to be discounting that Kozma showed he could actually play some last year.  So if we have a platoon of a healthy ish Furcal and Kozma I'm happy with that.  Not seeing why everyone wants to give up Adams.  Buy has real power potential and could be a very good 1st basemen for years to come.

scadder21 wrote: Disagree again. When someone has the talent(1st round pick) and has showed that he can thrive under the pressure of a pennant race and the playoffs it's entirely possible that he learned something/picked something up in the Bigs that nullified his lack of success in the Minors. I can't find his stats online but I'm willing to bet that Ozzie Smith's Minor League stats weren't great.