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Posted: 2/5/2013 6:51 PM
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You're not going to believe this one....according to yahoo sports ryan braun has been implicated...
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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:10 PM
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grayssportsalmanac wrote: You're not going to believe this one....according to yahoo sports ryan braun has been implicated... In the Miami fiasco?
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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:18 PM
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Yes cnh..im on my phone or id provide a link
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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:40 PM
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grayssportsalmanac wrote: Yes cnh..im on my phone or id provide a link Maybe he is like Roger Clemens and has a bunch of different people trying to set him up with lie after lie. Or ARoid.  I will look it up Grays. Thanks!
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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:55 PM
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They don't show the official document where he's listed but he's named.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 11:28 PM
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Here is the link to the Jeff Passan Yahoo article. |
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:54 AM
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Braun stated that his attorney used Bosch for information (and who has previously in the past) during his case, and that the implication that he owed money was because of that, not for anything else.
Unless they find the guy and put him on the stand and make him talk, everything is hearsay, and you can't prove anything. I would be shocked if MLB punished anyone for their names being in a book. Now if you want to take the time and money to prove they did receive and pay for PEDs, probably most of those named won't be playing anymore because it is going to take a very long time.
Will this scare anyone into stop using if they have, no way. They are just the ones who haven't gotten caught yet.
It's all an embarrasment to MLB, but my opinion is they really couldn't care less.
As long as one keeps paying millions and millions for performance, then players will keep taking and trying to beat the system.
I am not an Arod fan, but he is a perfect example. You get paid the most money of any player, then you have huge expectations placed on you to keep playing and playing well. It's impossible. There are some who can, they are beasts, but most can't. His only problem is that he is a liar.
Too many UM players named on that list, some who were not very good until they went to college or afterwards. Sorry, the instruction/coaching at UM just isn't any better than any place else. Neither is the conditioning.
This is not to offend any one player but it is what it is and it's not good.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:20 AM
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Let's step back and think about this.
You are the reigning MVP of the NL, caught with a tainted sample. To try to help get out of the jam, you enlist the help of a clinic which is providing the very kinds of substances you assert you did NOT take.
What kind of sense does that explanation make?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:23 AM
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Domeboys wrote: Let's step back and think about this.
You are the reigning MVP of the NL, caught with a tainted sample. To try to help get out of the jam, you enlist the help of a clinic which is providing the same substances you are trying to prove you did not take.
What kind of sense does that make? And not pay him as well. This is all just crazy stuff! |
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:59 AM
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In the bad timing department, on Saturday, just four days ago, MLB.com ran this article: "Brewers' Ryan Braun enjoying drama-free off-season"Whoops! |
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:07 AM
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BornInOrange wrote:
Domeboys wrote: Let's step back and think about this.
You are the reigning MVP of the NL, caught with a tainted sample. To try to help get out of the jam, you enlist the help of a clinic which is providing the same substances you are trying to prove you did not take.
What kind of sense does that make? And not pay him as well. This is all just crazy stuff! I'm not an lawyer, but I would assume that in most circumstances, when the lawyer hires a consultant, the lawyer is the client not the person the lawyer is defending.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:32 AM
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Oqie11 wrote: I'm not an lawyer, but I would assume that in most circumstances, when the lawyer hires a consultant, the lawyer is the client not the person the lawyer is defending. Right. Unless in an amazing coincidence, Ryan Braun's lawyer also happens to be named "Ryan Braun," it is the player's name in Bosch's notebook. Again, trying to step back from this, we know Braun used. He had to get his drugs from somewhere. So if his name isn't in Bosch's book, it is in someone else's. That should not be a revelation in itself. My problem is with what appear to be lies spread on top of lies.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:23 AM
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Brian is more than likely spot on. There's too much linking him to peds. The test itself is a red flag. Braun now is living in a lie and he's too deep to turn back. He knows mlb is going to have to get something concrete on him to suspend him. Mlbpa would fight like hell with him because they've already put there reputation up the 1st time.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:22 PM
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Also not a lawyer but it seems to me that if you had a 20-30k expense you would be able to produce an invoice besides a scrawl in a notebook if it was a legal activty.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:35 PM
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The typical lawyers hiring consultants or experts will either (1) have a retainer up front from the client from which these expenses are paid; or (2) front the money themselves and then bill the client. In any event, a reputable consultant or expert deals with the law firm and bills the firm, not the client. Most state bars prevent a lawyer from having the client pay expenses directly, they must have a trust account to handle these types of funds and the client's name cannot be on the account. This Bosch guy doesn't sound reputable, so it is plausible that he has lax bookkeeping procedures. It would seem to me that if MLB did any kind of decent investigation that they would be able to ascertain how the bookkeeping system worked by interviewing employees.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:10 AM
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Interesting twist today. Debate over whether Miami New Times should turn Bosch records over to MLB for investigation. |
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:24 AM
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Domeboys wrote: Interesting twist today. Debate over whether Miami New Times should turn Bosch records over to MLB for investigation. They were interviewing the editor of that paper yesterday morning on Hot Stove. His position (which I assume is mentioned in the article; I haven't read it yet) was that they aren't in the business of helping the feds or MLB do their investigation, citing journalistic ethics. Reynolds (I think) pointed out that MLB doesn't even have subpoena powers in this sort of situation. |
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:31 AM
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Buster Olney is saying that he believes the union holds the power in these investigations. My take is the last thing they would want is for union members' reputations to be tarnished. Better to keep the waters muddied and wait for it to drift away.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:53 AM
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Domeboys wrote: Interesting twist today. Debate over whether Miami New Times should turn Bosch records over to MLB for investigation. Interesting. If they had no intention of stirring the pot, why write that article? What they have created is another black mark on MLB. And definetly brought attention to their publication. I believe that people do things for specific reasons and this was #1.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:46 AM
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I don't think the issue is stirring the pot or not. If they hadn't reported the story first, someone else probably would have. The rub is that most journalists would not turn their sources/source materials over to anyone. That Miami New Times is even considering it is unusual.
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