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Baseball America Cardinals Top Prospects
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:01 PM
Baseball America Cardinals Top Prospects
I just received my hard copy of the paper which has the NL Central Top 10's. The Cards is as follows:
1. Taveras
2. Miller
3. Martinez
4. Rosenthal
5. Wong
6. Wacha
7. Adams
8. Jenkins
9. Kelly
10. Piscotty
Last edited 2/19/2013 11:27 AM by Domeboys
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:18 PM
RE: Baseball America Cardinals Top 10 Prospects
Different order than ours in the middle, but the top eight names are the same. Anthony Garcia is the one we have who missed out on the BA list.
The Martinez-Wacha difference is notable, especially based on the discussion here.
Last edited 1/8/2013 2:19 PM by Domeboys
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:59 PM
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I have never been clear as to how much input Derrick Goold has in the BB America Cards prospect rankings (versus the BB America writers) in light of his insights with the Cards, being in St. Louis and being the beat writer, but that question is relevant to the discussion as to why Garcia is not part of this Top 10. Was that Derrick's omission with input from the Cards or was that a BB America decision without any input from the Cards?
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Posted: 1/8/2013 4:12 PM
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Unless it changed this year, Derrick has considerable input, but BA makes the decisions on their rankings. After all, it is their name and reputation.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:44 PM
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Which Kelly are they talking about, Joe or Carson?
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:50 PM
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Joe shouldn't be eligible anymore, so I assume it is Carson.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:20 PM
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Anthony Garcia will probably be all over the board among rating entities. So far on the ones I have.
Baseball America - not in top 10 still 20 to go in the Prospect Handbook
Sickels - 9th
MLB (Mayo) - not in top 20
BB Instinct - 9th
Gateway - 19th
Prospect Alert - 16th
Fan Graphs - not in top 15
Future Redbirds - 10th
Scouting Book - not in top 17
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:51 PM
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I seem to recall that BA overrode Gould on Taveras two years ago and ended up ranking Oscar 24th.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 3:19 PM
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Yes, 24th. Here are a few of the various views of Oscar over time: | Taveras | BA | TCN | My ranking | | 2013 | 1 | 1 | 1 | | 2012 | 3 | 3 | 3 | | 2011 | 24 | 11 | 5 |
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:41 AM
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Jim Callis goes on to say that Miller is his #5 overall pick in MLB with Taveras ahead of him as the top hitting prospect in the game. That is a major change as Oscar was not in his personal top 50 last year. Miller was #12. Remember that Callis' ranking is not the same as the overall BA ranking. Last year, they had four writers' top 50s listed separately in the Prospect Handbook. BA writer J.J. Cooper was most optimistic about Taveras last year, ranking him #49 in MLB. Taveras was not on the others' lists.
Last edited 1/15/2013 10:43 AM by Domeboys
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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:08 AM
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BA online article with top 10 and "bests." |
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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:51 AM
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SoonerinNC wrote: I seem to recall that BA overrode Gould on Taveras two years ago and ended up ranking Oscar 24th. We see Gould over at the Horse track a lot. He loves horses so he is not all bad but i pay little attention to him when it comes to the Cardinals. Guy is top notch when it comes to Hockey though, i will give him that.
GO CARDS!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 2:27 PM
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Getting the conversation back to prospects, Callis says Swagerty and Tilson will be #18 and #19 in BA's Cardinals top 30. Both dropped after missing last season due to injury.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:55 PM
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Domeboys wrote: Getting the conversation back to prospects, Callis says Swagerty and Tilson will be #18 and #19 in BA's Cardinals top 30. Both dropped after missing last season due to injury. Callis was on Rob Rains' radio program this afternoon for about 30 minutes. He was really high on the "number" of legitimate Cardinal prospects up and down the system. Callis likes Tilson. Sounded as if one of Callis' boys played high school / summer baseball with Tilson, thus he has seen the young centerfielder play numerous times. Rains usually tapes his interviews and places them on his radio website. The Callis interview is worth listening too. Callis also stated that he covers the Midwest League so he sees all the young Cardinals coming thru Quad Cities and now Peoria. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:17 PM
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Anyone care to comment on BA's Best of?
Best Hitter for Average: Oscar Taveras
Best Power Hitter: Matt Adams
Best Strike Zone Discipline: Mike O'Neill
Fastest Baserunner: C.J. McElroy
Best Athlete: Tyrell Jenkins
Best Fastball: Trevor Rosenthal
Best Curveball: Carlos Martinez
Best Slider: Jorge Rondon
Best Changeup: Michael Wacha
Best Control: Seth Maness
Best Defensive Catcher: Steve Bean
Best Defensive Infielder: Pete Kozma
Best Infield Arm: Patrick Wisdom
Best Defensive OF: Charlie Tilson
Best Outfield Arm: Stephen Piscotty
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:36 PM
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mbusapp wrote: Anyone care to comment on BA's Best of?
Best Hitter for Average: Oscar Taveras
Best Power Hitter: Matt Adams
Best Strike Zone Discipline: Mike O'Neill
Fastest Baserunner: C.J. McElroy
Best Athlete: Tyrell Jenkins
Best Fastball: Trevor Rosenthal
Best Curveball: Carlos Martinez
Best Slider: Jorge Rondon
Best Changeup: Michael Wacha
Best Control: Seth Maness
Best Defensive Catcher: Steve Bean
Best Defensive Infielder: Pete Kozma
Best Infield Arm: Patrick Wisdom
Best Defensive OF: Charlie Tilson
Best Outfield Arm: Stephen Piscotty I think it is a little early for Piscotty to the bet OF arm since he hasn't played there as a pro and didn't even play there much in college. Wasn't Jackson the best defensive infielder last year? did he get worse or did Kozma get better? Can't believe there isn't a better defensive non-hit SS in the system - Gil?
Last edited 1/20/2013 1:40 PM by CariocaCardinal
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:00 PM
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Seems like they are jumping early on Tilson, too. Didn't he only play a handful of late games last year after a shoulder injury?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:49 PM
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KylMss wrote: Seems like they are jumping early on Tilson, too. Didn't he only play a handful of late games last year after a shoulder injury? Tilson didn't appear in any official minor league games in 2012, but did appear in 8 games coming out of HS in 2011 after being drafted in the 2nd round and getting that huge signing bonus. Should be added he played in the Instructional League and reportedly impressed scouts. Will be interesting to see where he starts out at next year.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:52 PM
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Think it was early for Bean to be rated the best defensive catcher in the system given how raw he is defensively but you have to like the potential plus glove behind the plate. I would of thought Ehlrich or Perez would be given the best defensive catcher credential.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 6:30 PM
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DTFlush234 wrote: Think it was early for Bean to be rated the best defensive catcher in the system given how raw he is defensively but you have to like the potential plus glove behind the plate. I would of thought Ehlrich or Perez would be given the best defensive catcher credential. Ehlrich has this strong defensive reputation but (according to another site) supposedly Vuch said at the WWU that they like Ehlrich's bat but he has a long way to go defensively
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