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Posted: 12/22/2012 10:44 PM
Sickels rankings
Now a preliminary top 20. List will be subject to change until Jan 5 but I doubt that it will change. Pretty close to our own list. Lyons being the major outlier.
1. Taveras - A
2. Miller - A
3. Martinez - A-
4. Rosenthal - B+
5. Wacha - B+
6. Wong - B+
7. Adams - B
8. Jenkins - B
9. A. Garcia - B-
10. Kelly - B-
11. Wisdom - B-
12. Piscotty - B-
13. G. Garcia - C+
14. Maness - C+
15. Gast - C+
16. S. Rodriguez - C+
17. Jackson - C+
18. Cleto - C+
19. Lyons - C+
20. Valera - C+
Other C + - Cooney, DeLeon, Ramsey, Whiting
Others - Bean, Blazek, Butler, Chambers, Erlich, Fornatero, Freeman, S. Garcia, Giviglio, Kozma, Lemmerman, Llorens, McElroy, O'Neill, Rondon, Siegrist, Stoppelman, Swagerty, Tilson, Walsh.
No one of the top 24 below C+. He characterizes us as "one hell of a farm system." As a point of comparison the Yankees had no A's. The Diamondbacks had two A- and only 17 rated C+ or better. The Athletics had no A's and only 15 rated C+ or better. The Mets; 3 A- and 20 C+ or better. Indians; 2 A- and 16 rated C+ or better. Astros; 1 A- and 28 rated C+ or better.
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His preliminary list was 52 but he cut it to the following 42. Has not ranked them yet. Will have a top 20 or 21.
Adams
Bean
Blazek
Butler
Chambers
Cleto
Cooney
DeLeon
Fornatero
Greg Garcia
Anthony Garcia
Silfredo Garcia
Gast
Jackson
Jenkins
Kelly
Kozma
Lemmerman
Llorens
Lyons
Maness
Martnez
McElroy
Miller
O'Neill
Piscotty
Ramsey
S Rodriguez
Rondon
A Reyes
Rosenthal
Siegrist
Stock
Stoppelman
Swagerty
Taveras
B Valera
Wacha
Walsh
Whiting
Wisdom
Wong
Last edited 1/28/2013 2:50 PM by Domeboys
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Posted: 12/23/2012 12:32 AM
RE: Sickels Top 42
No Tilson?
EDIT: He apparently cut Tilson for Kozma. Might drop Stock and replace with Tilson.
Last edited 12/23/2012 12:39 AM by HighJump31
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Posted: 12/23/2012 12:36 AM
Re: Sickels Top 42
Sickells updated list
Matt Adams 1B
Steve Bean C
Michael Blazek RHP
Keith Butler RHP
Adron Chambers OF
Maikel Cleto RHP
Tim Cooney LHP
Victor DeLeon RHP
Adam Erhlich C
Eric Fornataro RHP
Sam Freeman LHP
Anthony Garcia OF
Greg Garcia INF
Silfredo Garcia RHP
John Gast LHP
Ryan Jackson SS
Tyrell Jenkins RHP
Carson Kelly 3B
Pete Kozma SS
Jake Lemmerman INF
Dixon Llorens RHP
Tyler Lyons LHP
Seth Maness RHP
Carlos Martinez RHP
C.J. McElroy OF
Shelby Miller RHP
Mike O’Neill OF
Stephen Piscotty 3B
James Ramsey OF
Starlin Rodriguez 2B
Jorge Rondon RHP
Trevor Rosenthal RHP
Kevin Siegrist LHP
Lee Stoppelman LHP
Jordan Swagerty RHP
Oscar Taveras OF
Charlie Tilson OF
Breyvic Valera INF
Michael Wacha RHP
Colin Walsh OF
Boone Whiting RHP
Patrick Wisdom 3B
Kolten Wong 2B
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Posted: 12/23/2012 2:53 PM
RE: Sickels Top 42
You could make an all prospect 40 man roster from those that would have to stack up nicely with anybody else's. Adams might have to take reps behind the plate for a while.
Rosey and Miller make a nice front of the rotation. A number of choices to fill out the rest and the pen.
Could make a respectable OF too.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 6:46 PM
RE: Sickels Top 42
Why are you mentioning Adams behind the plate again?
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Posted: 12/23/2012 6:48 PM
RE: Sickels Top 42
Tilson being cut has to be an oversight you would think? Unless he wasn't overly high on him to begin with?
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Posted: 12/23/2012 7:56 PM
RE: Sickels Top 42
scadder21 wrote: Why are you mentioning Adams behind the plate again? Catcher is a bit thin in the list of 42. And young. The most competitive team might need somebody with a more advanced stick. O over D. |
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Posted: 12/24/2012 10:57 AM
Re: Sickels Top 20
Top 20 now posted - See initial post in this string.
Last edited 12/24/2012 10:58 AM by SoonerinNC
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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:57 PM
Re: Sickels Top 20
If you are not familiar with Sickles site you would find it interesting. Under the Cardinal stories there are some very good discussions.
It is www.minorleagueball.com
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Posted: 12/26/2012 11:09 PM
RE: Sickels Top 42
blingboy wrote:
scadder21 wrote: Why are you mentioning Adams behind the plate again? Catcher is a bit thin in the list of 42. And young. The most competitive team might need somebody with a more advanced stick. O over D. Sure, if you're playing Rotisserie ball. |
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Posted: 12/27/2012 5:54 PM
RE: Sickels Top 42
Who would your starter be?
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Posted: 1/1/2013 6:46 PM
Re: Sickels Top 20
As an update; comparison of Sickels 2012 list.
35 were ranked higher including 10 new to US minor league ball and 4 who graduated to the majors (Lynn, Druz, Kelly and Carpenter)
23 were ranked lower or fell off the list; including Anderson and Lemmerman and Cox who were ranked in the top 20 but at a higher level in 2012.
8 of the rankings were unchanged from 2012.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 9:12 PM
RE: Sickels Top 42
scadder21 wrote: Why are you mentioning Adams behind the plate again? He is OK for the #3 guy during the season, since he caught in the past, but he is not to go back there unless the other Cs go down. |
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Posted: 1/13/2013 1:03 PM
Re: Sickels Top 20
Sickels has completed his top 20 rankings for the 30 major league teams.
The Cardinals were the only team with two straight A players (Taveras and Miller)
The Cardinals and Mets had 3 players ranked A or A-. Mets were all A-
The Cardinals
Tied for 2ndh for the most players ranked A through B+ (5)
Tied for 5th for the most players ranked A through B (7)
Tied for 7th for the most players ranked A through B- (12)
Tied for 3rd for the most players ranked A through C+ (24)
Tied for 1st with Texas for the most players listed (45)
There is an article on Sickels site that uses a point system that ranks the Cardinals as the #1 system with Seattle a close second.
There are 137 comments following the article where every point system known to the free world was used. The Cardinals came out on top in every instance. I expect Sickels to rank them the best system with 6 to 7 players in his top 100.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 10:23 AM
Re: Sickels Top 20
I thought that the Cardinals had a top five system but I am beginning to think that it will get a #1 rating. I am very confident that Sickels will rate it #1 because, as you said, every mathematical formula used in the comments at his site has them numero uno.
With Callis having them #1, I also think they might get a #1 from BA, also.
I actually like Sickels better than BA because he seems to have a better grasp of teams on a system-wide basis. I am always amazed that Sickels can write at least two cogent sentences on about 600 minor league players each winter and be able to discern modest differences between them. One's knowledge has to be pretty broad to do that.
I am anxious to see his top #100 prospects and I think the Cardinals will have six or seven of them. KBoyer14HOF
Last edited 1/14/2013 11:36 AM by mike87114
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:49 PM
Re: Sickels Top 20
Sickels has posted his system rankings with Cardinals #1. |
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Posted: 1/29/2013 5:59 AM
Re: Sickels Top 20
--------------------------------------------- --- Domeboys wrote: Sickels has posted his system rankings with Cardinals #1. --------------------------------------------- I'll never call Sickels, Suckels ever again. Boy the Cardinal farm sure has blossomed under Mo's watch. I know strides were being made towards the end of Walt's tenure, but I cannot recall just how the Cardinal farm system was regarded during Walt's last season in St. Louis? |
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Posted: 3/14/2013 7:56 AM
Re: Sickels rankings
Sickels has posted his top 150. |
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Posted: 3/14/2013 9:21 AM
Re: Sickels rankings
Domeboys wrote: Sickels has posted his top 150. Sickels wrote:
1) Jurickson Profar, SS, Texas Rangers, ETA 2013
2) Oscar Taveras , OF, St. Louis Cardinals, ETA 2013
COMMENT: Can't see any of this as a surprise. I strongly considered Oscar over Jurickson, but ultimately the defense/position issue puts Profar just a tad ahead.
6) Shelby Miller, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals, 2013 20) Carlos Martinez, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals, 2014 27) Trevor Rosenthal, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals, 2013 34) Michael Wacha, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals, 2014 85-A) Kolten Wong, 2B, St. Louis Cardinals, 2014 COMMENT: … Wong was supposed to be slotted in here at 85 but as I was manipulating spreadsheets and moving people around, it looks like he got cut off/deleted and I didn't notice. Consider it a bonus player. I see him as a solid regular. 134) Matt Adams, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals, 2013 143) Tyrell Jenkins, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals, 2016 Cardinals have one of top two two of top six three of top 20 four of top 30 five of top 35 six of top 100 and eight of top 150 on his list.
St. Louis Cardinals' World Champions:
1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011
Last edited 3/14/2013 9:24 AM by Oqie11
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