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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:27 AM

Cards add Wigginton 


RH utility player Ty Wigginton agrees to two-year contract with the Cards. Total will be in $5M range, says Ken Rosenthal.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:45 AM

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Veteran guy who is use to coming off the bench and has a little bit of pop.  I see him as a RH compliment to Matt Carpenter.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:54 AM

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Awful signing.  Just awful.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:56 AM

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My first assessment is posted. He has been below his own career averages the last three years and has never been a good pinch-hitter.
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Last edited 12/14/2012 7:56 AM by Domeboys

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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:45 AM

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crdswmn wrote: Awful signing.  Just awful.

agreed, good idea, just bad money....oh well
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:54 AM

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Checking his splits, I see where Wigginton was 5-for-33 last season as a pinch-hitter. Shane Robinson was 11-for-50, also with 3 RBI.

For Ty's career, though, he's 24-for-103 with 3 HR and 24 RBI as a pinch-hitter, which isn't bad.

A 3B/1B who can play OF or 2B in a pinch - not a great BA or OBA but a little pop. What we have here, folks, is Craig Paquette II, although Craig doesn't show up on his comp list - the most similar player seems to be Casey Blake, and there are a lot of interesting names on that list:


Similar Batters
1.Casey Blake (969)
2.Bill Robinson (944)
3.Wil Cordero (938)
4.Jeff Francoeur (936)
5.Jeff King (931)
6.Aaron Rowand (930)
7.Jacque Jones (927)
8.Jim Northrup (926)
9.Sixto Lezcano (925)
10.Juan Encarnacion (924)


Similar Batters through age 34
1.Jim Northrup (936)
2.Jeff King (931)
3.Candy Maldonado (922)
4.Mel Hall (920)
5.Hector Lopez (920)
6.Scott Brosius (917)
7.Charlie Hayes (916)
8.Dave Henderson (913)
9.Scott Spiezio (912)
10.Eric Hinske (912)
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:14 AM

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So we get rid of a fan and clubhouse favorite, not to mention a mildly productive utility player, and then sign a guy who has some bad blood with the Cardinals, is well beyond his productive years, and pay him $5 million? WTF?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:56 AM

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not a fan of this signing..i hope to eat crow

he is right-handed, older version of Matt Carpenter...

Id rather have spent the money on Scott Hairston even given him the years

going into the offseason i thought we had some holes:

LHRP
2b/SS depth
RH bench with pop
backup CF

-Choate seems a fine get for LHRP...1 year too long of a contract but whatever
-Wiggington is not much a pinch hitter but has pop and is RH...2 year deal seems exorbitant after his crappy last year...
-we deal way our CF depth (even if Skip wasnt playing it much) in Skip forcing us to rely on Shane Robinson...or maybe this is a move that is indication of Taveras being VERY close
-still no signing of anything up the middle...i know Hairston hasnt played 2b much in recent years, but he might have been a better buy than Wiggington...even with a multi year contract...

We dont need Wiggington ANYWHERE in the field, so his positioning seems pointless to discuss...1b/3b/LF/RF are covered by several other players on the roster or in AAA (Adams, Carpenter, Taveras, Descalso, etc). So his worth HAS to be on his bat and in particular his pinch hitting...he does hit lefties pretty well...but dont most RH hitters?...but his pinch hitting is pretty terrible... he is RH and has power and can play some positions we dont need...i just dont get it...

2b and SS are going to be black holes of production if Furcal goes down again or Kozma cant recreate September/October.

Wong is an upgrade, but you cant expect TOO much...and we still have no long term solution for SS


All in all we saved 1.5mil for Skip and seemed to give it to Wiggington, who did not deserve a 2year deal..Hairston DID

a RH hitting CFer with some power off the bench would have been nice...a 2b/SS bencher and Choate would have been perfect...

crap...to be honest we shoudl have re-signed Eugenio Velez to at least aminor league contract...at least he coudl play 2b and CF and swipe a bag


I am so underwhelmed by this whole offseason...i wasnt expecting Greinke, Hamilton... but i just dont get this Wiggington deal...especially at the price

my idea for the offseason:

sign Choate = 3yrs = 2.5mil per
sign Scott Hairston = 2yrs 2.5mil per
trade for Dee Gordon (teach CF) (include Skip in deal) = -1.5mil (+500k)= -1mil
re-sign Waino = 5 yrs 20mil per (starting in 2014)

= 4mil spent

That would have filled our holes (RH bench, lhrp, cf?, MI depth) and been pretty cheap
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Posted: 12/14/2012 10:24 AM

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"Id rather have spent the money on Scott Hairston even given him the years"

So would the Cardinals I imagine. Hairston may not have been willing to play here for the amount of PT that was available.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 10:26 AM

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Wow what a total waste of a roster space....guy is utterly worthless and our "smrt" gm had to go get him....whatever typical BS move by Cards GM
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Posted: 12/14/2012 10:37 AM

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good point...though a bit of extra money might have changed his mind..IMO worth it

also...perhaps discussing starting 2b with him might have made him more interested. It has been a while for him, but if we are considering using Matt Carpenter there, you woudl have to think we woudl give Hairston (who has some history at the position to at least get a chance as well.

Hairston wants a guarantee to start then by all means look elsewhere, but a part of a timeshare at 2b (hopefully he could still do it) as well as occasional OF starts (perhaps more with Beltran's age) and pinch hitting... The Cardinals are a pretty good option, and have a very good history of using their bench players often and to the benefit of the players

edit-- i think the deal is still pending a physical... perhaps he is out of shape...im usually on board with MOz's ideas...this one befuddles me...not just the guy...but the years..1 year...fine... 2 yrs...what?


Sawatski wrote: "Id rather have spent the money on Scott Hairston even given him the years"

So would the Cardinals I imagine. Hairston may not have been willing to play here for the amount of PT that was available.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:15 AM

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DMENS wrote: So we get rid of a fan and clubhouse favorite, not to mention a mildly productive utility player, and then sign a guy who has some bad blood with the Cardinals, is well beyond his productive years, and pay him $5 million? WTF?
Right? I wonder what Yadi thinks of this?

Terrible signing. The guy's clearly over the hill. What does Mo think it's still 2008?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:28 PM

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The Rockies signed Wigginton two years ago, and he was a bust for them. They had hoped, especially in Coors, he would provide more punch than he did.

Personally I don't see the need for this signing, but I think he's a pretty good clubhouse guy. Is that worth the commitment? I don't think so, but we'll see.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:36 PM

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I really wish the Cards had a GM with a brain bangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:04 PM

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He's just a right-handed bench bat with Craig in the field and Berkman gone.  

2012 vs. Lefties: .234/.360/.411/.771
2011: .259/.370/.426/.796

I guess they're hoping the platoon usage overrides the pinch hitter usage.

Last edited 12/14/2012 1:04 PM by JimJim15

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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:07 PM

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crdswmn wrote: Awful signing.  Just awful.

Why? Hey I'd rather have Cody Ross but apparently he's too rich for our blood.


I said if we didn't sign a minf or trade for one I'd take a guy who could play the corner OF and some inf. Ross was my first choice but Wigginton is a decent plan B. He's a tad older but can backup all corner OF and inf spots and has played 2nd(not since 2010). He also has some pop although his OPS was awful last season. Let's Hope Mabry works with him.

We weren't paying 5 million a year for a guys who's going to get 400PA. So if you had those expectations sorry but it wasn't happening.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:54 PM

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The Cardinals have officially announced the deal with Wigginton, so it is done.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:56 PM

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619illinibooyah wrote:
crdswmn wrote: Awful signing.  Just awful.

Why? Hey I'd rather have Cody Ross but apparently he's too rich for our blood.


I said if we didn't sign a minf or trade for one I'd take a guy who could play the corner OF and some inf. Ross was my first choice but Wigginton is a decent plan B. He's a tad older but can backup all corner OF and inf spots and has played 2nd(not since 2010). He also has some pop although his OPS was awful last season. Let's Hope Mabry works with him.

We weren't paying 5 million a year for a guys who's going to get 400PA. So if you had those expectations sorry but it wasn't happening.

Cause he has been declining for 4 years now.  He is not any good at all, yet Mo dropped 2.5mil per for this piece of garbage, it was yet another worthless signing by Mo.  It is easy to see FA is not a strong suit of his at all.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:06 PM

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TCRedbird wrote:
619illinibooyah wrote:
crdswmn wrote: Awful signing.  Just awful.

Why? Hey I'd rather have Cody Ross but apparently he's too rich for our blood.


I said if we didn't sign a minf or trade for one I'd take a guy who could play the corner OF and some inf. Ross was my first choice but Wigginton is a decent plan B. He's a tad older but can backup all corner OF and inf spots and has played 2nd(not since 2010). He also has some pop although his OPS was awful last season. Let's Hope Mabry works with him.

We weren't paying 5 million a year for a guys who's going to get 400PA. So if you had those expectations sorry but it wasn't happening.

Cause he has been declining for 4 years now.  He is not any good at all, yet Mo dropped 2.5mil per for this piece of garbage, it was yet another worthless signing by Mo.  It is easy to see FA is not a strong suit of his at all.

Among his FA signings:

Berkman
Beltran
Holliday (kinda)
Lohse (twice)

I'm sure I'm missing some, but all of those were exceedingly important to our club's recent success.  

I don't love this specific signing, but if he truly going to be used as a right handed bench bat who can back up nearly any position ... well it still kinda sucks, but whatever.  I don't think Choate is a bad signing if he's actually used as a LOOGY.  Moz has had some really great FA signings in the past, so I'll wait to see how we're planning to use Ty before judging.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:46 PM

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thejager wrote: Not a fan of this signing...I hope to eat crow

He is right-handed, older version of Matt Carpenter...


Going into the offseason, I thought we had some holes:

LHRP
2b/SS depth
RH bench with pop
backup CF

-Choate seems a fine get for LHRP...1 year too long of a contract but whatever
-Wiggington is not much a pinch hitter but has pop and is RH...2 year deal seems exorbitant after his crappy last year...
-we deal way our CF depth (even if Skip wasn't playing it much) in Skip forcing us to rely on Shane Robinson...or maybe this is a move that is indication of Taveras being VERY close
-still no signing of anything up the middle...

We don't need Wiggington ANYWHERE in the field, so his positioning seems pointless to discuss...1b/3b/LF/RF are covered by several other players on the roster or in AAA (Adams, Carpenter, Taveras, Descalso, etc). So his worth HAS to be on his bat and in particular his pinch hitting...he does hit lefties pretty well...but don't most RH hitters?...but his pinch hitting is pretty terrible... he is RH and has power and can play some positions we don't need...I just don't get it...

2b and SS are going to be black holes of production if Furcal goes down again or Kozma can't recreate September/October.

Wong is an upgrade, but you can't expect TOO much...and we still have no long term solution for SS


All in all we saved 1.5mil for Skip and seemed to give it to Wiggington, who did not deserve a 2-year deal..

a RH hitting CFer with some power off the bench would have been nice...a 2b/SS bencher and Choate would have been perfect...

crap...to be honest we should have re-signed Eugenio Velez to at least a minor league contract...at least he could play 2b and CF and swipe a bag


I am so underwhelmed by this whole offseason...I wasn't expecting Greinke, Hamilton... but I just don't get this Wiggington deal...especially at the price




Forgive me for editing your post, jager. I just felt that most of what you said was exactly my initial reaction.

Wigginton is not a good ballplayer anymore, and he's 35 years old, and he's been a terrible pinch-hitter each of the past two years. But he's not here to be a baseball player. Seriously.

To quote Ken Rosenthal:

"St. Louis will be Wigginton’s eighth team in his 12 major-league career. He is a lifetime .263 hitter with a .762 OPS, and teams also value him for his character and strong clubhouse presence." (Emphasis mine.)

Is $2.5M per year too much for clubhouse glue? I have no idea.

Is Austin Kearns some kind of a stinky-breath, uptight, Everclear-swilling clubhouse nightmare? Again, I have no inkling. But these things I do know: Kearns hits righty too, and is younger by three years, much much much cheaper than Ty, and a freakin' savant when it comes to pinch-hitting.

To place my comments into their proper context: I think Mo is as good a GM as there is in the National League. Maybe in all of baseball. But I dislike this signing almost as much as I liked the Choate deal.

Now go prove me wrong, Ty!wink
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