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Re: Continued 2013 Cardinal Nation Community Prospect Voting

  • UncleDenny
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:56 AM

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#60 Johan Acevedo
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:58 AM

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Here are the picks in the expanded voting so far:

#51 Ben O'Shea - LHSP, short season
#52 IIdemaro Vargas - infielder, short season (26 PA A+, skipped midwest league A- so far)
#53 Anthony Ferrara - LHSP, A+ (10.0 IP AA)
#54 Jermaine Curtis - 3b, AA (38 PA AAA)
#55 Tyler Rahmatulla - 3b/2b, A+
#56 Sam Tuivailala - infielder turned RHRP, short season
#57 Jacob Wilson - 2b, short season
#58 Tommy Pham - CF, AA
#59 Cody Stanley - C, 170 PAs at A+
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:59 AM

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A couple of administrative items.

I suggest that we consider Alex Reyes and Lemmerman ineligible for this year's vote. Due to lack of familiarity and coming in at a late stage. Also, it seems like it should be a requirement that a guy have suited up for us in some fashion, although there could be exceptions.

All the discussion about rather obscure prospects might be causing some voters to lose interest/patience. However, I am not willing to just pick a name out of a hat or jump on a bandwagon without trying to reach an informed decision for myself, however worthless it may be. The pace may or may not pick up, probably not. So if there is a consensus that #60 thru #70 should be called by somebody else I will bow out.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:15 AM

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#60 - Heath Wyatt
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  • UncleDenny
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:03 PM

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There are lots of good pitchers left including Hector Hernandez, Aiden Lucas, Iden Nazario, Sam Gaviglio, Joe Donofrio, Ronnie Shaban, and Ryan Sherriff (10-3 at PB). Among position players Acevedo, Caldwell, Wiley, Luis Perez, Velazco all had good years, and Jeffries and Matt Young could be sleepers. Then, think about the year Melchionda had advancing to class A QC where he did very well. It gets pretty cloudy here as you kind of have to wait until you see how well some of these guys do upon advancing to the next level of play.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:24 PM

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I believe I speak for all in saying that we'd be most honored to have you moderate selections 60-70, Bling. I'll tab Lemmerman aqui, porfavor.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:01 PM

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We had Erik Komatsu in our countdown last year without ever playing a game for us, no reason to not include Lemmerman this year.

#60 Jake Lemmerman
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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:14 PM

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Bruce Caldwell seems like he makes a lot of errors. I'd want to see if that clears up and/or his bat holds up going forward.

Matt Williams reportedly doesn't have a left side of the infield arm. So what have we got really.

Gil is supposed to have the arm and the range. Switch hitter with some speed and gap power. His bat will decide if he makes it and in what capacity. Certainly he has the other tools to be a UT at least. He could go up or down. I have the feeling he won't keep up at the plate if he gets into higher levels.

Jhohan Acevedo had better results at the plate in the U.S. Unusual and encouraging. Center fielders are usually stand out athletes and he reportedly has a good arm and speed. +intangibles/makeup is also positive.

Wyatt, Hald, Kiekhefer, Heyer, Freeman, Wright and some others get some love but despite making the effort I am unable to tell why one or the other might be ranked higher. It seems that different observers favor different guys, which also supports the idea that there are no obvious individual standouts. Any of them would be good picks in the 60s, but the order might be rather random IMO.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:16 PM

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HighJump31 wrote: We had Erik Komatsu in our countdown last year without ever playing a game for us, no reason to not include Lemmerman this year.

#60 Jake Lemmerman
Right, and Lemmerman has 2 votes so far, so I withdraw the suggestion.
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  • UncleDenny
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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:22 PM

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Anybody else think we ought to stop at 60? Too close to call on probably another 25 or so. The list of possibles goes on and on and on. Just a suggestion.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:22 PM

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blingboy wrote:
HighJump31 wrote: We had Erik Komatsu in our countdown last year without ever playing a game for us, no reason to not include Lemmerman this year.

#60 Jake Lemmerman
Right, and Lemmerman has 2 votes so far, so I withdraw the suggestion.
Make that 3 as I'll tab the young SS as Top Prospect #60. Yep, agree with HighJump in that Lemmerman is a Cardinal now, thus he should be afforded all of the opportunities our other young farmhands command.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:27 PM

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And no one has mentioned Yunior Castillo, a strong armed converted infielder who had a pretty good run in his first full year as a pitcher. He is supposed to be a mid-90's guy.

Also I haven't seen much love for Sam Giviglio.
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  • UncleDenny
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:40 PM

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In addition to Johan Acevedo and Lemmerman, got to get Hector Hernandez and Sam Gaviglio on the board.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:34 PM

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And no one has mentioned Yunior Castillo, a strong armed converted infielder who had a pretty good run in his first full year as a pitcher. He is supposed to be a mid-90's guy.

Also I haven't seen much love for Sam Giviglio.

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Too bad Castillo didn't work out as a postional player. He does sit in the mid 90s with a wicked slider. Scouts said he showed significant polish in 2012. Lets see how he does with a third season on the mound.

Gaviglio the sinkerballer/ground ball machine has put up solid peripherals in pro ball. But he doesn't have overpowering stuff at all makes his stock drop.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:35 PM

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Johan Acevedo
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  • UncleDenny
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Posted: 12/19/2012 9:40 AM

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Yunior is likely to run out of time in the Cardinal organization and become a free agent so I don't take him too seriously.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 2:47 PM

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Posted: 12/19/2012 3:12 PM

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I'll vote for Jhohan Acevedo here, a reasonable choice.

His line has improved significantly each year, from VESL in 2010 to DOSL in 2011 to GCL in 2012. He turns 20 in March and already has 3 pro seasons. Where is he likely to start 2013? Finish 2013? With 2 years before Rule 5 and 3 before FA I take it we want him to git movin.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 2:41 PM

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We have fallen below the number of voters suggested by Carioca to continue. 


I second UncleDenny's suggestion that we end it at 60.



Jhohan Acevedo is #60.

Here is the final list in the extended voting:


#51 Ben O'Shea - LHSP, short season
#52 IIdemaro Vargas - infielder, short season (26 PA A+, skipped midwest league A- so far)
#53 Anthony Ferrara - LHSP, A+ (10.0 IP AA)
#54 Jermaine Curtis - 3b, AA (38 PA AAA)
#55 Tyler Rahmatulla - 3b/2b, A+
#56 Sam Tuivailala - infielder turned RHRP, short season
#57 Jacob Wilson - 2b, short season
#58 Tommy Pham - CF, AA
#59 Cody Stanley - C, 170 PAs at A+
#60 Jhohan Acevedo - OF, GCL

Great discussion everyone.  It was a powerful learning experience, and I especially thank those who took the time to share what they know and think.

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Posted: 12/20/2012 4:38 PM

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I learned a great deal from this thread.

Thanks to everyone!
No negative waves man!
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