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Cardinals interested in LHR Sean Burnett
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Posted: 12/1/2012 3:15 PM
Cardinals interested in LHR Sean Burnett
... says reporter Bill Ladson of MLB.com, who covers Burnett's current team, the Washington Nationals. Ladson notes that Burnett wants four years, while the Nats are not likely to go beyond two. |
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Posted: 12/1/2012 3:50 PM
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At the very least he should be able to command a 3 year deal worth $6 Million a year. That's what Affeldt received and Burnett is younger and has been the better pitcher the last 3 seasons. I'd love to have Burnett, but the length and AAV is going to make me say avoid. I think he might be able to get something like 4/$22 or 3/$18. Relievers are inconsistent. One year they can be worth their salary, the next they can be terrible. I'd rather see the Cardinals take a flier on Rafael Perez, Lannan or Gorzelanny. I also don't think Rzcep will be as bad as he was last year again.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:20 PM
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I'd love to have Burnett, but no way four years.
Perez was awful last year, so was Lannan, and Gorzelanny doesn't excite me either, but he is better than the other two. Manny Parra is also another option but his BB rate is godawful.
Mike Gonzalez or Randy Choate wouldn't make me want to puke but doubt the Cards go for either.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:37 PM
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crdswmn wrote: I'd love to have Burnett, but no way four years.
Perez was awful last year, so was Lannan, and Gorzelanny doesn't excite me either, but he is better than the other two. Manny Parra is also another option but his BB rate is godawful.
Mike Gonzalez or Randy Choate wouldn't make me want to puke but doubt the Cards go for either. He was? A 3.52 ERA looks ok to me. Granted, Perez only pitched 7 2/3 innings because of injury, but he has been pretty consistent over the years. For me, the question would be the health of his shoulder.
Last edited 12/1/2012 4:37 PM by Domeboys
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:37 PM
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crdswmn wrote: I'd love to have Burnett, but no way four years.
Perez was awful last year, so was Lannan, and Gorzelanny doesn't excite me either, but he is better than the other two. Manny Parra is also another option but his BB rate is godawful.
Mike Gonzalez or Randy Choate wouldn't make me want to puke but doubt the Cards go for either. Perez was extremely limited last year due to a shoulder issue. I like Perez, based mostly on the thinking that he would come cheaply. Low risk move. I'm not very fond of Lannan or Gorzelanny but I think they wouldn't require more than a 1 year commitment. I don't hate Gonzalez or Choate either, I just hate the idea of giving Lefty specialists multiple millions over multiple seasons. |
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:43 PM
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Domeboys wrote:
crdswmn wrote: I'd love to have Burnett, but no way four years.
Perez was awful last year, so was Lannan, and Gorzelanny doesn't excite me either, but he is better than the other two. Manny Parra is also another option but his BB rate is godawful.
Mike Gonzalez or Randy Choate wouldn't make me want to puke but doubt the Cards go for either. He was? A 3.52 ERA looks ok to me. Granted, Perez only pitched 7 2/3 innings because of injury, but he has been pretty consistent over the years. For me, the question would be the health of his shoulder. I don't care much about ERA. His peripherals were bad. 5.31 FIP. BB rate was 12.9% He was ok in 2011 but his 2012 was scary. Maybe it was just the injury, but he's still risky. I'd pass.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:55 PM
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crdswmn wrote:
I don't care much about ERA. His peripherals were bad. 5.31 FIP. BB rate was 12.9% He was ok in 2011 but his 2012 was scary. Maybe it was just the injury, but he's still risky. I'd pass. I think it was the injury. If you take a look at his career numbers there really isn't a whole lot to complain about considering he's a LHRP. Especially if you compare him to other options. If his shoulder is still in bad shape I'd pass. If a doctor gives him a clean bill I'd like to see him on the team. |
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:59 PM
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crdswmn wrote:
Domeboys wrote:
crdswmn wrote: I'd love to have Burnett, but no way four years.
Perez was awful last year, so was Lannan, and Gorzelanny doesn't excite me either, but he is better than the other two. Manny Parra is also another option but his BB rate is godawful.
Mike Gonzalez or Randy Choate wouldn't make me want to puke but doubt the Cards go for either. He was? A 3.52 ERA looks ok to me. Granted, Perez only pitched 7 2/3 innings because of injury, but he has been pretty consistent over the years. For me, the question would be the health of his shoulder. I don't care much about ERA. His peripherals were bad. 5.31 FIP. BB rate was 12.9% He was ok in 2011 but his 2012 was scary. Maybe it was just the injury, but he's still risky. I'd pass. Seven innings of bad peripherals trump five prior seasons, of which four were above-average? I could see being wary about health, but not performance. It would be most helpful to know if the Indians DFA'ed him because they didn't want to pay him or because of concerns with his shoulder.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 5:16 PM
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Domeboys wrote:
crdswmn wrote:
Domeboys wrote:
crdswmn wrote: I'd love to have Burnett, but no way four years.
Perez was awful last year, so was Lannan, and Gorzelanny doesn't excite me either, but he is better than the other two. Manny Parra is also another option but his BB rate is godawful.
Mike Gonzalez or Randy Choate wouldn't make me want to puke but doubt the Cards go for either. He was? A 3.52 ERA looks ok to me. Granted, Perez only pitched 7 2/3 innings because of injury, but he has been pretty consistent over the years. For me, the question would be the health of his shoulder. I don't care much about ERA. His peripherals were bad. 5.31 FIP. BB rate was 12.9% He was ok in 2011 but his 2012 was scary. Maybe it was just the injury, but he's still risky. I'd pass. Seven innings of bad peripherals trump five prior seasons, of which four were above-average? I could see being wary about health, but not performance. It would be most helpful to know if the Indians DFA'ed him because they didn't want to pay him or because of concerns with his shoulder. I didn't say his 2012 trumped prior seasons, but the injury plus the bad peripherals plus he's not getting any younger says risky to me. I didn't say he was awful in general, just that he was awful last year. Prior good seasons don't guarantee he won't continue to be awful. Red flag is waving in my face, go somewhere else. That's all. |
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:10 PM
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no to burnett. he'll get a minimum 3 yr at 5 per and that too much.
i like mike gonzalez for loogy, or maybe bill bray or tom gorzelanny if can't get him and decide that a better option than going with a kid (freeman, siegrist, gast, or lyons). anyone beyond those 3, then i say go with a kid instead.
didnt mention lannan due to he'll get a starter offer from someone considering how poor some rotations look. same will happen with manny parra.
i dont like choate or howell due to velocity. too many guys on cincy or milwaukee who can sit on a 86-88 mph fastball and crush it.
dan schlareth could be intriguing if his agent and him can convince mo that his control is better but that kind of hard to do in an off season.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:15 PM
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I'd rather Mo spend money on the other needs. We've got enough pitching.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:28 PM
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Sean Burnett Not Seeking Four Year Deal
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/sean-burnett -not-seeking-four-years.html?utm_source=twitterfee d&utm_medium=twitter
Last edited 12/1/2012 7:29 PM by crdswmn
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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:50 PM
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Burnett will not be cheap but I do think he will be cheaper than Affeldt. Maybe not by much, but something like 3/15.
I know that is (still) a lot of money, but I'm tired of this being a weakness. Spend some money and make this a strength of the team.
If not Sean Burnett, then go the trade route. I just don't want any of the other FA's.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 8:05 PM
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Is your objection to Burnett just money? If he is the best available, and the Cards are willing to pay that kind of money, would you still object? BTW, I think it could take that much. cardzZilla wrote: no to burnett. he'll get a minimum 3 yr at 5 per and that is too much.
Last edited 12/1/2012 8:17 PM by nbr1hawkeye
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Posted: 12/1/2012 8:07 PM
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crdswmn wrote: Sean Burnett Not Seeking Four Year Deal
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/sean-burnett -not-seeking-four-years.html?utm_source=twitterfee d&utm_medium=twitter Interesting that MLBTR debunked a report from MLB.com. Gotta love the rumor mill.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 8:14 PM
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I don't know how much MO "has" to spend, but he only has to fill 2 needs... LHR and middle infield depth.
I think he can sign Burnett and still find a back up middle infielder... my choice would be the Cuban, Aledmys (Aledmis?) Diaz. blingboy wrote: I'd rather Mo spend money on the other needs. We've got enough pitching. |
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:18 PM
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I too would hate to see them give Burnett a four year contract. Or even three years. There has to be better value out there. Not a better pitcher but better value. I really hope they move on Darren Oliver. I don't care about his age, people have been saying that for four years now. This guy is flat out nasty and for 1 year i think he would be great as our late inning Loogy. Toronto looks to be going for it though and may not want to move him. I would certainly ask.
GO CARDS!
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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:18 AM
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nbr1hawkeye wrote: Is your objection to Burnett just money? If he is the best available, and the Cards are willing to pay that kind of money, would you still object? BTW, I think it could take that much.
cardzZilla wrote: no to burnett. he'll get a minimum 3 yr at 5 per and that is too much. you can't think about him without thinking about the money and 3 yr commitment anyway, forget what i said above about schlereth. apparently i didn't looke at the numbers correctly. even when he was healthy, he wasn't very good. however, i still contend that mike gonzalez should be the top target, with gorzelanny being the backup plan
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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:12 PM
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I would rather sign burnett than the annual scrap heap guy who we pretty much know will fail
our bullpen could be a major major strength if we go with essentially the same guys as the end of last season and throw in another good lefty.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 3:38 PM
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nbr1hawkeye wrote: Is your objection to Burnett just money? If he is the best available, and the Cards are willing to pay that kind of money, would you still object? BTW, I think it could take that much.
cardzZilla wrote: no to burnett. he'll get a minimum 3 yr at 5 per and that is too much. Gotta love Burnett's HOME/ROAD splits (even) too. At 3yr/$15M, I'd be on board. He's no Sean Marshall, but he is damn good. |
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