Signing expected to allow Cincinnati to move Chapman into starting rotation

Oqie11 wrote: Per MLB.com

Signing expected to allow Cincinnati to move Chapman into starting rotation

The Reds re-signed veteran free agent reliever Jonathan Broxton to a three-year contract worth $21 million on Wednesday.

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

Oqie11 wrote: Per MLB.com

Signing expected to allow Cincinnati to move Chapman into starting rotation

The Reds re-signed veteran free agent reliever Jonathan Broxton to a three-year contract worth $21 million on Wednesday.

This could move Chapman to the rotation. I like the deal a lot as a Cardinals fan. Walt is going to regret this one in a year or two. They are also bringing back Dusty. Thank you Cincinnati.

nathanleopoldjr wrote:

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

Oqie11 wrote: Per MLB.com

Signing expected to allow Cincinnati to move Chapman into starting rotation

The Reds re-signed veteran free agent reliever Jonathan Broxton to a three-year contract worth $21 million on Wednesday.

This could move Chapman to the rotation. I like the deal a lot as a Cardinals fan. Walt is going to regret this one in a year or two. They are also bringing back Dusty. Thank you Cincinnati.

I agree completely.

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

Oqie11 wrote: Per MLB.com

Signing expected to allow Cincinnati to move Chapman into starting rotation

The Reds re-signed veteran free agent reliever Jonathan Broxton to a three-year contract worth $21 million on Wednesday.

This could move Chapman to the rotation. I like the deal a lot as a Cardinals fan. Walt is going to regret this one in a year or two. They are also bringing back Dusty. Thank you Cincinnati.

PadsFS wrote:

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

Oqie11 wrote: Per MLB.com

Signing expected to allow Cincinnati to move Chapman into starting rotation

The Reds re-signed veteran free agent reliever Jonathan Broxton to a three-year contract worth $21 million on Wednesday.

This could move Chapman to the rotation. I like the deal a lot as a Cardinals fan. Walt is going to regret this one in a year or two. They are also bringing back Dusty. Thank you Cincinnati.

I don't think it was a bad deal at all really.  $7M AVV isn't too bad for a solid reliever that's only 28.

Cincy's pen next year will have:

Broxton
Marshall (LHP)
Masset
Arrendondo
LeCure
Ondrusek
Hoover
Simon
Cingrani (LHP)
Redmond

That's a pretty elite bullpen with 3 options for depth.  They will be tough to beat for sure.

stlcards5129 wrote:

The AAV is fine, the years are a bit much for an incredibly overweight pitcher, but you're not going to sign a FA reliever for less than 3 yeras. If I'm the Reds I would have rather signed Madson and hoped he bounces back than sign Broxton for 3 years and hope he doesn't blow up like a balloon.

PadsFS wrote:

stlcards5129 wrote:

The AAV is fine, the years are a bit much for an incredibly overweight pitcher, but you're not going to sign a FA reliever for less than 3 yeras. If I'm the Reds I would have rather signed Madson and hoped he bounces back than sign Broxton for 3 years and hope he doesn't blow up like a balloon.

I guess I didn't realize how big he was:

Jonathan Broxton

#51 - RP - Los Angeles Dodgers Height: 6'4" Weight: 300

WOW...I'd be pretty leary of that.  Word is, though, that his second half success was due to adding a cutter to his arsenal, so that may bode well for Cincy if it's indeed a plus pitch.

CariocaCardinal wrote:

nathanleopoldjr wrote:

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

Oqie11 wrote: Per MLB.com

Signing expected to allow Cincinnati to move Chapman into starting rotation

The Reds re-signed veteran free agent reliever Jonathan Broxton to a three-year contract worth $21 million on Wednesday.

This could move Chapman to the rotation. I like the deal a lot as a Cardinals fan. Walt is going to regret this one in a year or two. They are also bringing back Dusty. Thank you Cincinnati.

I agree completely.

Wait!  Is that Nathan actually being critical of a GM for spending money?

cardinalnationhouston wrote: 

They didn't NEED a closer. 

No they needed a starter, so they moved one of the most electric pitchers in the game to a position where he can pitch more innings for the team.

Chapman was one of the best last year w/o any doubt. 

Yes, that's why they want to get more than 70 innings outta the guy.

To me it is very risky moving a guy in and out of the rotation or bullpen.

I don't see it. The only reason guys ever aren't brought along as starters is because they don't have a quality change up. These are professional athletes they can do whatever they're conditioned for. Chapman doesn’t have a great one, but it’s good enough to set up his other stuff. It only has to be a “show me” pitch for him. In Chapman's case the only reason he wasn't sent back to the Minors to be a starter for the start of 2011 was because the Reds were contending and wanted his arm in the pen. 

I hated it when TLR did it with KMac and he was never the same.

If you ever thought Kyle McClellan was any good you need to get some glasses.

How did that work out with Feliz last year?

Feliz had TJ last year, not really fair to judge that.

Or Bard?

Are you really comparing Daniel Bard to Aroldis Chapman?!?

It may have contributed to Lynn wearing out completely at the end last year but i guess that is a matter of opinion.

Did you pay attention last season? Lynn rebounded and had a pretty solid finish to the year. He was a pretty effective starter.

I am all for this b/c i love anything that hurts Cincinnati's cause.

If you really see Aroldis Chapman pitching twice as many innings as hurting the Reds you need to take your Cardinal tinted optimism glasses off. I mean do I really need to explain the value of starters compared to relievers. 

I would be upset if a Reds fan though, its just too risky for Chapman plus at the end who would you rather face? Aroldis will have to use his secondary pitches more now and that is were most flame throwers become more vulnerable. 

Haha, so because every pitcher pitches better when they throw their 2 best pitches it means they should pitch out of the bullpen? Haha let Detroit know they're misusing Verlander or Washington they're misusing Strasburg. Such a joke of a point.

If you consider Chapman pitching 70 innings more valuable than Chapman pitching 160 all hope is lost for you.

Lance Lynn 2012 BABIP by month:

April - .203

May - .307

June - .362

July - .318

August - .397

September - .311

Lance Lynn 2012 ERA by month:

April - 1.33

May - 3.44

June - 5.67

July - 2.63

August - 6.66

September - 2.76

Crazy how that works.

Also, Lynn's "wearing out" doesn't really show when you look at his Fastball velocity either:

August/September is when he actually looks to have INCREASED his velocity:

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch...=P&pitch=FT

PadsFS wrote:

Lance Lynn 2012 BABIP by month:

 

April - .203

May - .307

June - .362

July - .318

August - .397

September - .311

 

Lance Lynn 2012 ERA by month:

 

April - 1.33

May - 3.44

June - 5.67

July - 2.63

August - 6.66

September - 2.76

Crazy how that works.

Also, Lynn's "wearing out" doesn't really show when you look at his Fastball velocity either:

August/September is when he actually looks to have INCREASED his velocity:

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch...=P&pitch=FT

stlcards5129 wrote:

PadsFS wrote:

Lance Lynn 2012 BABIP by month:

 

April - .203

May - .307

June - .362

July - .318

August - .397

September - .311

 

Lance Lynn 2012 ERA by month:

 

April - 1.33

May - 3.44

June - 5.67

July - 2.63

August - 6.66

September - 2.76

Crazy how that works.

Also, Lynn's "wearing out" doesn't really show when you look at his Fastball velocity either:

August/September is when he actually looks to have INCREASED his velocity:

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch...=P&pitch=FT

Surprise, surprise cnh doesn't know what he's talking about....again. He'll probably write this off as metric lies and say something along the lines of "my eyes tell me that Lynn was just a bad pitcher in those months."

cardinalnationhouston wrote:It is like when i called Holli a slow runner and then you said i called him a terrible base runner. You should take a little time to think about what is being said before you respond. Hey there is no shame in reading it twice if you don't get it.

stlcards5129 wrote:

cardinalnationhouston wrote:It is like when i called Holli a slow runner and then you said i called him a terrible base runner. You should take a little time to think about what is being said before you respond. Hey there is no shame in reading it twice if you don't get it.

And you say I have problems with reading comprehension. Find me one quote where I said you said Holliday was a bad baserunner. That was another poster, not me. I think it's hilarious that you call me out for reading comprehension when you have a tenuous grasp on the English language given your spelling and grammar on this message board.