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RE: Miami pulling a switcheroo on it's fans?

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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:43 AM

RE: Miami pulling a switcheroo on it's fans? 



scadder21 wrote: Domeboys- actually it was 1997 and 2003. The Yankee's beat the Braves in 96.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 12:51 PM

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MLB should force Jeffrey Loria to sell the team. If those players that were traded had known that they were going to be traded one season after signing they would not have signed with Miami. Selig should have stepped in and stopped this trade.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 12:55 PM

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Jeff Passan is ON FIRE in his article about the whole conspiracy.

I've always disliked Bud and thought he was a criminal. I bumped into him a number of times in Milwaukee, where he fought the city tooth and nail to oppose a downtown stadium, all to make sure he could keep revenue from parking. It was a huge disservice to the city and he burned a lot of bridges along the way.

We've seen him do this to the Expos. And to the Marlins. He's screwed Milwaukee, and he's screwed Tampa Bay. The man is corrupt through and through and more than a handful of cities are witness to it.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 3:14 PM

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I'm shocked, shocked to find that Jeffrey Loria is an unethical twerp!

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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:31 PM

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Here are a few hilarious tweets from TrippingOlney.   

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"SOURCE: LEBRON JAMES IS ALSO GOING TO TORONTO IN THE DEAL"

 

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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:44 PM

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Voters are such suckers. Fans are too, but its the price we pay to be fans. Its too bad the suits have turned baseball into what it is. But at least the game does go on.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:39 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
scadder21 wrote: And if people remember. One of the sites I posted on I was ripping on the Marlins right around the time they had signed Buerhle, Bell and were targeting Pujols. I stated that they would disband this team very quickly and it was an embarrassment to baseball. So they had a master plan of getting people to the park with Latin Players start winning some and then build on that. They gave it less than half a year. It's criminal that they duped the county and the fans. MLB should really take the team back because they are a utter joke.
Lets not forget the rodeo clown they allegedly hired to manage! I honestly think they pulled a fast one on their fans. I would suspect that Bud pulls the plug on this trade. They will trade these guys but not in this one deal.
The fans that attend regularly should be upset, but the real problem is that there are hardly any Marlin fans to fill any stadium. You can spend 200 million on payroll and still the stands will be empty at the park.  The place is amazing but hardly anyone showed up.  Everyone elses fans did when their team was in town. 

Ozzies remarks last year really made people dislike the man, you don't praise Castro in a town dominated by cubans that fled their country.  They should have let him go. That really ticked everyone off.  Bell and Reyes were real disappointments, Johnson didn't have a great season either. Hanley needed a change of scenery. 

South Florida is all about football and you cannot compete with a championship basketball team that has the best player on it's team.  Even in the height  of baseball season, sports talk radio was all about Dolphins and Heat. They only talked about the team when Ozzie did something stupid.

I do believe that MLB has a $$ interest in this team. If they allow this trade they have to have made Loria promise something in return.  But what it is who knows.  There are a lot of free agents out there, but they had to dump payroll first.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:59 PM

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Orange the fact is this. Loria sold the community a new beginning to the franchise. He said they would work to contend every year. He scammed the community to pay for the stadium and spent millions of dollars to bring fans in and to sell luxury boxes. They then give it half a year and then start to scrap the team. What do you have now? An empty new half billion dollar stadium with a 16 million dollar payroll. University of Miami baseball will probably be more entertaining than the Marlins next year. Just a sorry management group and baseball shouldn't allow them to continue to own the Marlins. They intentionally set out to ruin baseball in Montrel and now they are destroying(not sure if it's intentional or not) baseball in Miami.

What a joke. Though i wouldn't be surprised though if Arod allows himself to be traded from New York to Miami. He seems like the type that no longer cares about winning championships and just wants to go to an city where he won't be boo'ed and that will allow him to play out his contract and career in peace.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 7:00 PM

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Alex Rodriquez a Marlin for the rest of his career.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:18 PM

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Orange the fact is this. Loria sold the community a new beginning to the franchise. He said they would work to contend every year. He scammed the community to pay for the stadium and spent millions of dollars to bring fans in and to sell luxury boxes. They then give it half a year and then start to scrap the team. What do you have now? An empty new half billion dollar stadium with a 16 million dollar payroll. University of Miami baseball will probably be more entertaining than the Marlins next year. Just a sorry management group and baseball shouldn't allow them to continue to own the Marlins. They intentionally set out to ruin baseball in Montrel and now they are destroying(not sure if it's intentional or not) baseball in Miami.

What a joke. Though i wouldn't be surprised though if Arod allows himself to be traded from New York to Miami. He seems like the type that no longer cares about winning championships and just wants to go to an city where he won't be boo'ed and that will allow him to play out his contract and career in peace.
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I stick by my original thought, they wouldn' t have sold seats even if albert was there and they won't with Arod either.
Florida does not support baseball, no one shows up at Rays games either. UM baseball deals with the same, just too much going on. Marlins do not even draw fan crowds in jupiter during spring training, the teams they play against do
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:21 PM

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I am not sticking up for Loria. Pro baseball just doesn't work in florida.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:06 PM

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I kind of agree with you Orange.  Because of that they shouldn't have pushed for the taxpayer funded stadium.  Honestly, the Florida team should be contracted or Loria should be forced to sell the team.  That or finally move a team to Portland, San Antionio or back to Montreal.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:19 PM

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BornInOrange wrote: I am not sticking up for Loria. Pro baseball just doesn't work in florida.

But we we're told that a new state of the art not to mention AC stadium would do the trick. Only issue was you could tell about 60 games in that wouldn't even get em to go. It's going to be ugly in year 2 when they draw 10K a game in that place. Sounds like a good time for my first South Florida (not first Florida) visit.

Anyone could see most of this coming. I didn't think it would be this quick but the signs we're there when they dealt Hanley and decided to kick Ozzie to the curb. Hell he would have quit if he saw this coming even if the Castro comments never we're uttered.

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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:23 PM

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This is not offered as a defense of Loria because many of his actions are indefensible but there are certain facts that need to be considered.

In 2011 attendance was 1.5 million.

In 2011 Marlin payroll at the start of the season was $57.7 million and was increased to $101.6 million for 2012.

He brought in high profile manager and made him one of the highest paid managers in baseball.

A new stadium, new manager and a greatly expanded payroll in a city where early season weather is a non-factor advanced season sales should have been high.

I have no actual information what the advanced sales were but the final attendance figure of 2.2 million suggests they could not have been all that high because even with a slow start, Ozzie's Castro comment and the disassembling of the team these events all occurred after healthy advanced sales would have resulted in higher attendance.

If you build a new ballpark, hire Ozzie and dramatically increase payroll Jeffrey, people will come.  Jeffrey. They'll come to the park for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll arrive not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive as innocent as children, longing for the past. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the stands; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon.  And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Jeffrey. The one constant through all the years, Jeffrey, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Jeffrey. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Jeffrey. People will most definitely come.

Or not!

Last edited 11/14/2012 10:24 PM by JenniferMarie

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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:06 PM

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I hope Stanton demands a trade. I hope nothing but the worst for that franchise I really do. The only FA that will go there are those who car nothing about winning and just want the lack of taxes in FL or care more about the nice weather and scene than winning baseball.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:38 AM

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Parking was at first a nightmare, most of the season as reported.
It quickly became the place to be seen. Buy a cheap ticket and hang out at the clevelander. So attendance is misrepresented as to those actually wanting to watch baseball or get the hook up.
People are upset are the same people who were upset before the stadium came. People who claimed the corrupt people in government took money. These people are different from the actual fans who have supported the team year after year. The best promotion was Adam Greenberg.
This is not midwest st louis, this is miami.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:25 AM

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JenniferMarie wrote:

If you build a new ballpark, hire Ozzie and dramatically increase payroll Jeffrey, people will come.  Jeffrey. They'll come to the park for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll arrive not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive as innocent as children, longing for the past. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the stands; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon.  And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Jeffrey. The one constant through all the years, Jeffrey, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Jeffrey. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Jeffrey. People will most definitely come.

Or not!
A nice touch indeed, Jennifer! I think it's becoming painfully obvious that if one builds a baseball diamond in Miami that the people will in fact flee. Which is mind blowing considering it's baseball friendly geographical location. One would think baseball could survive with ease in this region with the huge influx of Cuban people alone. Who's to blame? The citizens of Miami? Jeffrey? The Bay of Pigs? I believe it's none of these. I think the blame can be placed solely on those back-to-back Super Bowl winning teams of 1972 and 1973......especially those '72 Dolphins who finished the season with a perfect record, which to this day has still not been replicated. Those Dolphin teams captured the hearts of the entire Miami populace and since has been passed down to the next generation of Miami sports fans. The love generated was so great that quite simply, there was no room left for any sport but football. If it were not for those two great Dolphin teams, baseball and not football would reign supreme in that area today. So much so that the Dolphins probably would have left town years ago and would today have been named the Seattle Dolphins or possibly the Tennessee Dolphins. So don't blame Jeffrey for all of this.....blame Coach Shula and guys named Nick, Mercury and Larry.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:32 AM

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BornInOrange wrote:

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Orange the fact is this. Loria sold the community a new beginning to the franchise. He said they would work to contend every year. He scammed the community to pay for the stadium and spent millions of dollars to bring fans in and to sell luxury boxes. They then give it half a year and then start to scrap the team. What do you have now? An empty new half billion dollar stadium with a 16 million dollar payroll. University of Miami baseball will probably be more entertaining than the Marlins next year. Just a sorry management group and baseball shouldn't allow them to continue to own the Marlins. They intentionally set out to ruin baseball in Montrel and now they are destroying(not sure if it's intentional or not) baseball in Miami.

What a joke. Though i wouldn't be surprised though if Arod allows himself to be traded from New York to Miami. He seems like the type that no longer cares about winning championships and just wants to go to an city where he won't be boo'ed and that will allow him to play out his contract and career in peace.
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I stick by my original thought, they wouldn' t have sold seats even if albert was there and they won't with Arod either.
Florida does not support baseball, no one shows up at Rays games either. UM baseball deals with the same, just too much going on. Marlins do not even draw fan crowds in jupiter during spring training, the teams they play against do
Loria lied to the city that is the end of it, he is a punk owner who needs to be forced to sell the team.  It doesn't matter what the fans do if you are promising the city one thing just to get a new stadium built and once it is built you go back on your word you are pretty much a thief.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:16 AM

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The Dodgers and Giants weren't always on the west coast.  Traditions are built with time being a necessary ingredient.  A large population helps, too.  IMO, Miami should work as a city that would support an MLB franchise. 

Loria needs to pay his dues; but I question whether he has the wealth to bankroll an MLB team.  Noting how he leveraged himself into the princpal owner's title, I suspect his empire is a paper one that can't withstand much adversity.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:11 AM

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TCRedbird wrote:
BornInOrange wrote:

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--- scadder21 wrote:

Orange the fact is this. Loria sold the community a new beginning to the franchise. He said they would work to contend every year. He scammed the community to pay for the stadium and spent millions of dollars to bring fans in and to sell luxury boxes. They then give it half a year and then start to scrap the team. What do you have now? An empty new half billion dollar stadium with a 16 million dollar payroll. University of Miami baseball will probably be more entertaining than the Marlins next year. Just a sorry management group and baseball shouldn't allow them to continue to own the Marlins. They intentionally set out to ruin baseball in Montrel and now they are destroying(not sure if it's intentional or not) baseball in Miami.

What a joke. Though i wouldn't be surprised though if Arod allows himself to be traded from New York to Miami. He seems like the type that no longer cares about winning championships and just wants to go to an city where he won't be boo'ed and that will allow him to play out his contract and career in peace.
K
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I stick by my original thought, they wouldn' t have sold seats even if albert was there and they won't with Arod either.
Florida does not support baseball, no one shows up at Rays games either. UM baseball deals with the same, just too much going on. Marlins do not even draw fan crowds in jupiter during spring training, the teams they play against do
Loria lied to the city that is the end of it, he is a punk owner who needs to be forced to sell the team.  It doesn't matter what the fans do if you are promising the city one thing just to get a new stadium built and once it is built you go back on your word you are pretty much a thief.
I really have to agree with TC here. This guy is indeed a thief who duped taxpayers with a bunch of new beginning nonsense. Sound familiar? Voters were not buying it nationwide but we have seen in the past that Florida has major problems voting. They then build  stadium that looks like a box of crayons puked up a Jackson Pollack painting. Then they hire a manager that Marge Schott would be proud of,add a  couple of vets then pull the plug about half way through the season. I SMELL A TAX DODGE HERE. Loria needs to be taken out back and have his arse whipped. You sir are an absolute disgrace to baseball and the state of Florida. Marlin fans you have my sympathy. Just pathetic!

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