DwaininAztec wrote: Yes, but the pen should be interesting. If Rosenthal should stick as a bullpen guy how would a 7th, 8th, and 9th look with the soft tosser being at 96 mph and the top guy at 101?

Please excuse my ignorance. How many pitches does Rosenthal have? It looked to me that he has the the demeanor to become a starter. The post that suggest he start in the pen and work into the starting rotation is spot on IMO.

Is anybody else wondering if Carpenter will get it back. I know he rushed back to pitch to try and help the team. I really appreciate the fact the he is a big enough stud to do that, but I just have the feeling that we will never get back the Carp that we all know and love.

I wish Carp  nothing but the best, and will add that he is my favorite pitcher. Just being honest about my fears. 

Hurdleheel wrote:

Please excuse my ignorance. How many pitches does Rosenthal have? It looked to me that he has the the demeanor to become a starter. The post that suggest he start in the pen and work into the starting rotation is spot on IMO.

 

Is anybody else wondering if Carpenter will get it back. I know he rushed back to pitch to try and help the team. I really appreciate the fact the he is a big enough stud to do that, but I just have the feeling that we will never get back the Carp that we all know and love.

I wish Carp  nothing but the best, and will add that he is my favorite pitcher. Just being honest about my fears. 

Jmodene1 wrote: I suspect if any of the 2012 starters is traded it might be Lance Lynn - despite his second-half fade, his trade value is probably reasonably high, perhaps as high as it will ever be, especially since he won't be arb-eligible until after the 2014 season (he'll only be at 2.119 years at the end of 2013, about 20 games shy of Super Two status).

And it's not like we don't have other guys as good (or maybe even better) and as cheap.

Lynn for Elvis Andrus, anybody?

Jmodene1 wrote: I suspect if any of the 2012 starters is traded it might be Lance Lynn - despite his second-half fade, his trade value is probably reasonably high, perhaps as high as it will ever be, especially since he won't be arb-eligible until after the 2014 season (he'll only be at 2.119 years at the end of 2013, about 20 games shy of Super Two status).

And it's not like we don't have other guys as good (or maybe even better) and as cheap.

Lynn for Elvis Andrus, anybody?

DMENS wrote: I would welcome a Lynn for Andrus trade. But I do have some concerns about our rotation next year. I'm a natural skeptic, so I can't take my eyes off a worst case scenario that doesn't seem far fetched:

It is entirely possible that Lohse and Carpenter will be missing from the rotation next year. Then consider the fact that Garcia and Westbrook are coming off injuries and might not return to a serviceable level. Assuming all this as worst case scenario, you're missing Lohse, Carp, Garcia, an Westbrook from your rotation. In that case, you need Lance Lynn. And Joe Kelly. And Shelby Miller.

If that worst case scenario comes to fruition, we might need Lance Lynn more than we need a stellar shortstop.

cardinalnationhouston wrote:
I am not sure that Carp will NOT come back strong. He looked o.k to me but anything can happen between now and April. likewise i am not real worried about Westie, his strain is probably minor. Garcia however is a big worry. Surgery could push him back a couple of months. If all that happens we are toast anyways Dmens. I think the benefits of having Andrus all season outweighs the loss of Lynn even in your worst case scenario. The lineup would still be a beast and keep us in contention IMO. You never have enough pitching so this is possibly the only player that could be available that i would trade ANY pitching for.

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

Jmodene1 wrote: I suspect if any of the 2012 starters is traded it might be Lance Lynn - despite his second-half fade, his trade value is probably reasonably high, perhaps as high as it will ever be, especially since he won't be arb-eligible until after the 2014 season (he'll only be at 2.119 years at the end of 2013, about 20 games shy of Super Two status).

And it's not like we don't have other guys as good (or maybe even better) and as cheap.

Lynn for Elvis Andrus, anybody?

Living in Houston i can give you Ranger fans take on that trade Jmo. They would say not a chance. Andrus is valued by Ranger fan more than any other not named Hamilton. I see Elvis as the perfect fit for our Cardinals. This is a hard nosed old school type player who happens to have a high BB IQ as well as leadership qualities. Oh yeah, he also hits at the top of the order which i believe is this line ups Achilles heel. My guess is that it will take Miller + Ramsey or something like that. I think Texas is a likely trade partner this year b/c they have the player we need most and we have what they covet which is young pitching. I am rue to trade any young arms however i would do it for Elvis. We could resign Berkman and be the first team in history to have two Elvis's or is it Elvi when more than one? Where is Dizzy when you need him?

Jmodene1 wrote: The Ranger fans seem to like Elvis better than the Rangers' management does, if what I'm reading is correct - isn't there some other kid SS they want to play instead of him?

cardinalnationhouston wrote:

Jmodene1 wrote: I suspect if any of the 2012 starters is traded it might be Lance Lynn - despite his second-half fade, his trade value is probably reasonably high, perhaps as high as it will ever be, especially since he won't be arb-eligible until after the 2014 season (he'll only be at 2.119 years at the end of 2013, about 20 games shy of Super Two status).

And it's not like we don't have other guys as good (or maybe even better) and as cheap.

Lynn for Elvis Andrus, anybody?

Living in Houston i can give you Ranger fans take on that trade Jmo. They would say not a chance. Andrus is valued by Ranger fan more than any other not named Hamilton. I see Elvis as the perfect fit for our Cardinals. This is a hard nosed old school type player who happens to have a high BB IQ as well as leadership qualities. Oh yeah, he also hits at the top of the order which i believe is this line ups Achilles heel. My guess is that it will take Miller + Ramsey or something like that. I think Texas is a likely trade partner this year b/c they have the player we need most and we have what they covet which is young pitching. I am rue to trade any young arms however i would do it for Elvis. We could resign Berkman and be the first team in history to have two Elvis's or is it Elvi when more than one? Where is Dizzy when you need him?