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Padre MiL Affiliate PDAs Expire

Posted: 08/30/2014 3:32 PM

Padre MiL Affiliate PDAs Expire 


Apparently all 5 PDAs (EP/SA/LE/FW/EU) expire at the end of the season … as do PDAs with a lot of other teams / affiliates. Looks like the will be attempts (by both teams a MiL organizations) to move.

BA suggests that the Padre affiliation with EP and FW may be at risk … other teams may want in … so in a sense the MiL team is like a FA and seeking the best affiliation deal. Something to watch in September.

No idea if the Padres themselves have eyes on another open city in either situation but have to be looking at the options if a current affiliate chooses to go with another parent club. PDAs are normally 2 year deals.

Brings to mind the unfortunate failure of the Escondido site for the Padres' AAA affiliate … would have been good on may levels.  If the Padres get "bumped" for El Paso into an inferior affiliation site … wonder if the new ownership might resurrect the idea of a SD County … the cost of a AAA ball park would be between $50 - 70MM … not out of reach and it would be a lot better for player development than the high altitude of the other PCL cities.
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Posted: 08/30/2014 4:10 PM

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Apparently all 5 PDAs (EP/SA/LE/FW/EU) expire at the end of the season … as do PDAs with a lot of other teams / affiliates. Looks like the will be attempts (by both teams a MiL organizations) to move.

BA suggests that the Padre affiliation with EP and FW may be at risk … other teams may want in … so in a sense the MiL team is like a FA and seeking the best affiliation deal. Something to watch in September.

No idea if the Padres themselves have eyes on another open city in either situation but have to be looking at the options if a current affiliate chooses to go with another parent club. PDAs are normally 2 year deals.

Brings to mind the unfortunate failure of the Escondido site for the Padres' AAA affiliate … would have been good on may levels.  If the Padres get "bumped" for El Paso into an inferior affiliation site … wonder if the new ownership might resurrect the idea of a SD County … the cost of a AAA ball park would be between $50 - 70MM … not out of reach and it would be a lot better for player development than the high altitude of the other PCL cities.

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All I know is that it makes too much sense for our AAA team to play in a Park closer to Petco for us to stay in EP.
Does everyone else agree or is it just me that thinks this?
I can't stand seeing top prospect pitchers go to AAA only to get bombarded when it is nothing like what they will experience at the next level!
Isn't it tremendously counter productive?





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Posted: 08/30/2014 8:10 PM

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I was always a fan of the idea of a AAA stadium in Escondido.  Maybe because my family lives out there and I would be able to make it to a lot of games.
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Posted: 08/30/2014 10:43 PM

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If any affiliate "leaves" it might be Fort Wayne.  They have been upset in the past as they are really the one affiliate that you almost never see a rehabbing minor leaguer 

They are also arguably the biggest city in the MWL.

I highly doubt that El Paso leaves.  The Padres worked really hard to get El Paso a minor league stadium.  

I give the Escondido stadium maybe a 2% of chance.  Yes it would be great, but I am not sure Escondido is big enough, nor do I think it would be approved.  It would take 2+ years to get the stadium built, and considering SD County cant get a stadium for the Chargers (a team that SD actually supports), why would they try to approve a minor league stadium/?
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Posted: 08/31/2014 4:04 AM

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Apparently all 5 PDAs (EP/SA/LE/FW/EU) expire at the end of the season … as do PDAs with a lot of other teams / affiliates. Looks like the will be attempts (by both teams a MiL organizations) to move.

BA suggests that the Padre affiliation with EP and FW may be at risk … other teams may want in … so in a sense the MiL team is like a FA and seeking the best affiliation deal. Something to watch in September.

No idea if the Padres themselves have eyes on another open city in either situation but have to be looking at the options if a current affiliate chooses to go with another parent club. PDAs are normally 2 year deals.

Brings to mind the unfortunate failure of the Escondido site for the Padres' AAA affiliate … would have been good on may levels.  If the Padres get "bumped" for El Paso into an inferior affiliation site … wonder if the new ownership might resurrect the idea of a SD County … the cost of a AAA ball park would be between $50 - 70MM … not out of reach and it would be a lot better for player development than the high altitude of the other PCL cities.

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All I know is that it makes too much sense for our AAA team to play in a Park closer to Petco for us to stay in EP.
Does everyone else agree or is it just me that thinks this?
I can't stand seeing top prospect pitchers go to AAA only to get bombarded when it is nothing like what they will experience at the next level!
Isn't it tremendously counter productive?

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By the way....by "closer to Petco" I obviously meant in dimensions and style of play......not location.
AAA IMO should play at least "similar" to what these guys will experience in the Majors.
The Rockies should be in El Paso for Gwynns' sake!
Not the Padres!





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Posted: 08/31/2014 6:46 AM

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BenDavey wrote: If any affiliate "leaves" it might be Fort Wayne.  They have been upset in the past as they are really the one affiliate that you almost never see a rehabbing minor leaguer 

They are also arguably the biggest city in the MWL.

I highly doubt that El Paso leaves.  The Padres worked really hard to get El Paso a minor league stadium.  

I give the Escondido stadium maybe a 2% of chance.  Yes it would be great, but I am not sure Escondido is big enough, nor do I think it would be approved.  It would take 2+ years to get the stadium built, and considering SD County cant get a stadium for the Chargers (a team that SD actually supports), why would they try to approve a minor league stadium/?
Probably right … FW may be getting feelers from the Cubs which would be very hard to pass up.  The only wild card in the El Paso resigning is the potential that Houston (which is getting bumped out of Oklahoma City) shifts its attention (any maybe some money) to El Paso which makes a lot of sense if they want to have a better presence in Texas. The rumor is that Houston is in contention for Albuquerque with the Brewers with the "loser" potentially going to Fresno … which has ownership / ballpark issues. Question becomes a bit of the relationship between El Paso and the Padres and of course what is in El Paso's best interest.

2% on Escondido (or a similar locale) is about right. Fowler is the only reason I give it any chance at all. He was around with the Padres ownership as Moorad put the first plan into motion and assuming he bought into the economics … might revive it. Plus he is local and has done a lot for the community … that may also be a factor. If so, likely to take the full 2 years of the next PDA to get it approved / constructed so, optimistically, for the 2017 season. If the new ownership is really this for the long haul … makes sense to me. Construct the ball park with similar dimensions to PETCO … has similar altitude / weather (except they will have to pump in some marine layer).
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Posted: 08/31/2014 9:18 AM

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BenDavey wrote: If any affiliate "leaves" it might be Fort Wayne.  They have been upset in the past as they are really the one affiliate that you almost never see a rehabbing minor leaguer 

They are also arguably the biggest city in the MWL.

I highly doubt that El Paso leaves.  The Padres worked really hard to get El Paso a minor league stadium.  

I give the Escondido stadium maybe a 2% of chance.  Yes it would be great, but I am not sure Escondido is big enough, nor do I think it would be approved.  It would take 2+ years to get the stadium built, and considering SD County cant get a stadium for the Chargers (a team that SD actually supports), why would they try to approve a minor league stadium/?
The population of Escondido is triple the population of Lake Elsinore, and that stadium draws well.  Not to mention you have almost 100k people right next door in San Marcos.

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Posted: 08/31/2014 9:30 AM

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Moldenke wrote:
BenDavey wrote: If any affiliate "leaves" it might be Fort Wayne.  They have been upset in the past as they are really the one affiliate that you almost never see a rehabbing minor leaguer 

They are also arguably the biggest city in the MWL.

I highly doubt that El Paso leaves.  The Padres worked really hard to get El Paso a minor league stadium.  

I give the Escondido stadium maybe a 2% of chance.  Yes it would be great, but I am not sure Escondido is big enough, nor do I think it would be approved.  It would take 2+ years to get the stadium built, and considering SD County cant get a stadium for the Chargers (a team that SD actually supports), why would they try to approve a minor league stadium/?
The population of Escondido is triple the population of Lake Elsinore, and that stadium draws well.  Not to mention you have almost 100k people right next door in San Marcos.
It would be so awesome to see it happen, but I think the issue of siphoning attendance from your MLB team (and also Elsinore)  is a real one... particularly last few years when Pads are playing out string early but some prospects for future are always going to be in AAA.
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Posted: 08/31/2014 9:33 AM

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AAA to Escondido would be great- for the community, for the Padres, and for the young players. And at a cost of $50 million, not outrageous to believe that it could be built quickly and with private funds.

I'd also like to see Fort Wayne move further west.
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Posted: 08/31/2014 9:41 AM

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I think another part of it is having grown up in Escondido I know the area they talked about building in and I think there's a lot of opportunity for growth.  Esco is actually a pretty dense place (pop of 150k or so) and the existing downtown is rundown and tiny.  Pumping a lot of money into that specific area and creating a new sort of city center would be great, but I agree that the chances are basically zero.  I just think money is the primary reason.
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Posted: 08/31/2014 1:15 PM

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BenDavey wrote: If any affiliate "leaves" it might be Fort Wayne.  They have been upset in the past as they are really the one affiliate that you almost never see a rehabbing minor leaguer 

They are also arguably the biggest city in the MWL.

I highly doubt that El Paso leaves.  The Padres worked really hard to get El Paso a minor league stadium.  

I give the Escondido stadium maybe a 2% of chance.  Yes it would be great, but I am not sure Escondido is big enough, nor do I think it would be approved.  It would take 2+ years to get the stadium built, and considering SD County cant get a stadium for the Chargers (a team that SD actually supports), why would they try to approve a minor league stadium/?

Big difference between approving a stadium for the Chargers (at the current inflation in excess of $1 billion) and a MiL ball park at $50-70MM which (although unlikely) could be funded privately with minimal cash for the city (more like "in kind" contributions like utilities, etc.).

There would be a second issue … the Padres would have to actually acquire a franchise to move into Escondido at probably another $20-30MM cost. So, maybe a $100MM in total split somehow between the city and the Padres.

The key is the economics from the ball park bolstered by the use during the 7 months off-season … not a lot of big venues in North County for concerts , tractor pulls, rodeos, etc. Not very likely but the economy is improved over the Moorad era … so can't just take it off the table.

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Posted: 08/31/2014 5:51 PM

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Is there actually any evidence that the Padres or North County are still interested in a Triple-A park? I haven't heard a whisper about that idea in a really long time. And, remember, that was a Moorad idea. Maybe his only good one, but he's bathing in his millions on a beach somewhere else and the Padres are still in El Paso.
En boca cerrada no entran moscas.
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Posted: 08/31/2014 6:38 PM

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DaveyPinstripes wrote: Is there actually any evidence that the Padres or North County are still interested in a Triple-A park? I haven't heard a whisper about that idea in a really long time. And, remember, that was a Moorad idea. Maybe his only good one, but he's bathing in his millions on a beach somewhere else and the Padres are still in El Paso.
None … I was just speculating given the potential changes in the PCL PDAs … and at some point El Paso (and its new park / attendance) will look good to some other ML club to try to poach the affiliation.
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Posted: 09/03/2014 10:27 AM

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Chihuahuas and @Padres to extend player development contract through 2016. #FearTheEars

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Posted: 09/03/2014 10:57 AM

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FENN68 wrote:

Chihuahuas and @Padres to extend player development contract through 2016. #FearTheEars

Bummer.
Nothing against EP personally and mayb e there are many great reasons to stay there,but everyone knows my stance on our AAA guys dealing with a hitters Park/League when our major league Team plays in a Pitchers paradise.
It just does not make sense to me.........





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Posted: 09/03/2014 12:13 PM

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The hitting/pitching environment doesn't make sense. It's too bad North County can't work. But El Paso probably is a decent draw and they have presumably decent facilities (since its new). And maybe it's a good deal for the parent club (cheap).

Who knows?
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Posted: 09/13/2014 2:43 PM

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So it looks like we didn't re-up with Eugene, which is disappointing because I love their logo and never got around to getting one of their hats.

http://www.jrn.com/kivitv/news/sports/Hawks-lose-affiliation-with-Chicago-Cubs-274851081.html

Three other Northwest League teams also lack an affiliation. The San Diego Padres did not re-up with the Eugene Emeralds, the Tri-City Dust Devils are no longer with the Colorado Rockies, and the Salem-Keizer Volcanoes are no longer a San Francisco Giants affiliate.
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Posted: 09/14/2014 8:37 AM

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sportwarrior wrote: So it looks like we didn't re-up with Eugene, which is disappointing because I love their logo and never got around to getting one of their hats.

http://www.jrn.com/kivitv/news/sports/Hawks-lose-affiliation-with-Chicago-Cubs-274851081.html

Three other Northwest League teams also lack an affiliation. The San Diego Padres did not re-up with the Eugene Emeralds, the Tri-City Dust Devils are no longer with the Colorado Rockies, and the Salem-Keizer Volcanoes are no longer a San Francisco Giants affiliate.
Selfishly (living near Portland) I hope Pads end up in Salem-Keizer--closer to Portland.  Been to games there & seemed like good support; "only game in town".   Only an hour or so from both Eugene & Hillsboro.   Never went to a game in Eugene; too far. 

NOT Boise; worst travel by far for players; far from every other team.  Sounds like MLB decides in 2 weeks if teams don't on their own?   Wonder what the issue(s) were?

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Posted: 09/14/2014 8:44 AM

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WindsorUK wrote: AAA to Escondido would be great- for the community, for the Padres, and for the young players. And at a cost of $50 million, not outrageous to believe that it could be built quickly and with private funds.

I'd also like to see Fort Wayne move further west.
+1.  Sounds like Ft Wayne is great with team & really supportive, but that's a bad physical location for a Pads affiliate.

El Paso & San Antonio re-upped, figure Storm are a lock, did not re-up with Eugene.  Ft Wayne??

sidebar:  An issue with an Escondido team is that it's so close to San Diego would be a disaster if Pads ever weren't the parent team, but wouldn't that really hurt the negotiating power of Escondido?  "Captive franchise?"
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Posted: 09/14/2014 9:04 AM

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brianmcon wrote:
WindsorUK wrote: AAA to Escondido would be great- for the community, for the Padres, and for the young players. And at a cost of $50 million, not outrageous to believe that it could be built quickly and with private funds.

I'd also like to see Fort Wayne move further west.
+1.  Sounds like Ft Wayne is great with team & really supportive, but that's a bad physical location for a Pads affiliate.

El Paso & San Antonio re-upped, figure Storm are a lock, did not re-up with Eugene.  Ft Wayne??

sidebar:  An issue with an Escondido team is that it's so close to San Diego would be a disaster if Pads ever weren't the parent team, but wouldn't that really hurt the negotiating power of Escondido?  "Captive franchise?"
In a situation like Escondido (or any other close SD County city) it would be likely that the Padres would have to own the minor league franchise then sign a long term deal to occupy the ballpark. Agree that having another ownership group own the franchise and go the PDA agreement with the Padres would be a risk that the other ownership group and the city would not take.  Buying a AAA franchise is not all that costly ($20-30MMish) and it is an asset that could be resold (as the Moorad group proved). The issue is getting the money (Padres / City / State ?) to build the ballpark ($50-70MMish) for AAA standards. It too is an asset and revenue generator if used for more than just AAA baseball …  there is 7 months without AAA ball so a lot of options.  Not a new concept (think the Braves work that way with Gwinnett).

Not likely to happen … an opportunity lost in my mind.
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