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Bye bye Headley

  • bachagalup
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:19 AM

Bye bye Headley 


Padres send Chase Headley to yanks for Solarte and Depaula. Not a bad return for a piece of garbage. By acting now
they are maximizing their return.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:23 AM

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bachagalup wrote: Padres send Chase Headley to yanks for Solarte and Depaula. Not a bad return for a piece of garbage. By acting now
they are maximizing their return.
It's one of those "we got what we could" trades. I'm fine with it. Now the countdown starts for the naysayers.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:27 AM

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Not much but probably the best we could do.
The best thing we ever did with Headley is "not" sign him after 2012.
I guess everyone knew it was a fluke......maybe even Chase?
Not sure what we do with Solarte though?





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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:29 AM

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3....2....1....

I'd rather have kept Headley. A 27 year old flash-in-the pan AAAA player and a SP with #2 upside but that's always been too old for the competition he's pitching against. De Paula is a decent piece, but honestly the inclusion of Solarte just pisses me off. Here's a guy who had no business playing as well as he did for a team that has had no business playing as well as they are, and now we're getting stuck with his regressing bat. Great.

I get that Headley was as good as gone. I really do. And objectively speaking, De Paula probably makes this worth it in the end.

But funk the Yankees and funk Solarte.

EDIT This is severely underwhelming, but the reality is we probably couldn't have gotten much more from anyone else. Solarte is just a slap in the face, though. I was just railing against the Yankees last night, too, about how they're getting so much out of such a large steaming pile of sh*t. How they're in contention with the names they've put at 1b and 2b and 3b and SP I'll never, ever figure out.

Last edited 07/22/2014 10:36 AM by sportwarrior

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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:37 AM

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sportwarrior wrote: 3....2....1....

I'd rather have kept Headley. A 27 year old flash-in-the pan AAAA player and a SP with #2 upside but that's always been too old for the competition he's pitching against. De Paula is a decent piece, but honestly the inclusion of Solarte just pisses me off. Here's a guy who had no business playing as well as he did for a team that has had no business playing as well as they are, and now we're getting stuck with his regressing bat. Great.

I get that Headley was as good as gone. I really do. And objectively speaking, De Paula probably makes this worth it in the end.

But funk the Yankees and funk Solarte.
What are the stats on Solarte's funk? BABIP and other metrics? Was it just a fluke? Hard to call two months of production a fluke... oh wait we just traded Exhibit A. De Paula may or may not prove to be any good but at least there's upside. So we save 3m on the deal. What do we do with that cash? That's is my question.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:43 AM

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lafnboy13 wrote:
sportwarrior wrote: 3....2....1....

I'd rather have kept Headley. A 27 year old flash-in-the pan AAAA player and a SP with #2 upside but that's always been too old for the competition he's pitching against. De Paula is a decent piece, but honestly the inclusion of Solarte just pisses me off. Here's a guy who had no business playing as well as he did for a team that has had no business playing as well as they are, and now we're getting stuck with his regressing bat. Great.

I get that Headley was as good as gone. I really do. And objectively speaking, De Paula probably makes this worth it in the end.

But funk the Yankees and funk Solarte.
What are the stats on Solarte's funk? BABIP and other metrics? Was it just a fluke? Hard to call two months of production a fluke... oh wait we just traded Exhibit A. De Paula may or may not prove to be any good but at least there's upside. So we save 3m on the deal. What do we do with that cash? That's is my question.
An absolute fluke. And it wasn't 2 good months, it was one. He had like a .350 babip in April and has hit .233/307/347 in the 200 at bats since. He was a minor league free agent. He's awful.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:47 AM

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sportwarrior wrote:
lafnboy13 wrote:
sportwarrior wrote: 3....2....1....

I'd rather have kept Headley. A 27 year old flash-in-the pan AAAA player and a SP with #2 upside but that's always been too old for the competition he's pitching against. De Paula is a decent piece, but honestly the inclusion of Solarte just pisses me off. Here's a guy who had no business playing as well as he did for a team that has had no business playing as well as they are, and now we're getting stuck with his regressing bat. Great.

I get that Headley was as good as gone. I really do. And objectively speaking, De Paula probably makes this worth it in the end.

But funk the Yankees and funk Solarte.
What are the stats on Solarte's funk? BABIP and other metrics? Was it just a fluke? Hard to call two months of production a fluke... oh wait we just traded Exhibit A. De Paula may or may not prove to be any good but at least there's upside. So we save 3m on the deal. What do we do with that cash? That's is my question.
An absolute fluke. And it wasn't 2 good months, it was one. He had like a .350 babip in April and has hit .233/307/347 in the 200 at bats since. He was a minor league free agent. He's awful.
His "bad" stats look eerily close to Headley's
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:50 AM

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Seriously bad deal … especially with the Padres sending $1MM to the NYY along with Headley to pull it off. banghead

Solarte, at best will be a utility guy for a couple of years, but at 27 is one of those career MiLers who got hot then cooled off and got demoted. Given the NYY extreme need at 2B/3B and Solarte not being able to hold a starting position … a throw away piece.

DePaula, 23 in A+, WAS once a big prospect (100MPH FB) but now in his 2nd A+ season and not being able to master any secondary pitches (plus his FB has been toned down to the 92-93MPH range) … is just sitting at the NYY #15 prospect in a weak system … prospect status is fading quickly. Future may be as a RP to get his FB back to the upper 90s … that is apparently his calling card.

Did not expect much for Headley … but did expect better. I wonder what role Eppler had in the deal?
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:52 AM

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I'm glad they traded Headley. I want that whole stupid group of "core" of players who came up in 2008-2009 gone.  They were absolute GARBAGE.  Not one single player worth building a team around.  Has a worse  foundation for a franchise ever been laid?

Blanks - Gone.  Hundley - Gone.  Headley - Gone.  Venable - You're next.  Cabrera - You will be gone once you hit FA.

 Half way there!!! Yippee!!!

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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:53 AM

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sportwarrior wrote:
An absolute fluke. And it wasn't 2 good months, it was one. He had like a .350 babip in April and has hit .233/307/347 in the 200 at bats since. He was a minor league free agent. He's awful.

.288 / .401 / .739 career in the minors with a little bit of pop. He is not awful.

Good article on Solarte when he was with the Twins:

http://twinsdaily.com/entry.php/3829-Yangervis-Sol arte-vs-Brian-Dozier
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Posted: 07/22/2014 10:59 AM

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cnystrom wrote:
sportwarrior wrote:
An absolute fluke. And it wasn't 2 good months, it was one. He had like a .350 babip in April and has hit .233/307/347 in the 200 at bats since. He was a minor league free agent. He's awful.

.288 / .401 / .739 career in the minors with a little bit of pop. He is not awful.

Good article on Solarte when he was with the Twins:

http://twinsdaily.com/entry.php/3829-Yangervis-Sol arte-vs-Brian-Dozier
He's a total waste of our time. As Fenn said, if it weren't for the Yankees total lack of depth, he'd have been demoted a long time ago.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:01 AM

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FENN68 wrote: Seriously bad deal … especially with the Padres sending $1MM to the NYY along with Headley to pull it off. banghead

Solarte, at best will be a utility guy for a couple of years, but at 27 is one of those career MiLers who got hot then cooled off and got demoted. Given the NYY extreme need at 2B/3B and Solarte not being able to hold a starting position … a throw away piece.

DePaula, 23 in A+, WAS once a big prospect (100MPH FB) but now in his 2nd A+ season and not being able to master any secondary pitches (plus his FB has been toned down to the 92-93MPH range) … is just sitting at the NYY #15 prospect in a weak system … prospect status is fading quickly. Future may be as a RP to get his FB back to the upper 90s … that is apparently his calling card.

Did not expect much for Headley … but did expect better. I wonder what role Eppler had in the deal?
De Paula is a bit of a late bloomer/developer... He is pretty inexperienced relative to most other players his age. He's got a good slider and a decent change up, too. He's not exactly a non-prospect, but as you alluded to he's not exactly a sure thing, either.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:16 AM

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Really wonder if Betances was in the mix during the off season discussions for Headley....   I knew FENN would just love getting Solarte....and I believe that he will be placed on the 25 man roster no less....  crazy

 

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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:24 AM

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UncleBolt wrote: I'm glad they traded Headley. I want that whole stupid group of "core" of players who came up in 2008-2009 gone.  They were absolute GARBAGE.  Not one single player worth building a team around.  Has a worse  foundation for a franchise ever been laid?

Blanks - Gone.  Hundley - Gone.  Headley - Gone.  Venable - You're next.  Cabrera - You will be gone once you hit FA.

 Half way there!!! Yippee!!!
+ 1/2.   Pads 2005 draft with Headley, Hundley, & Venable was great.... relative to draft wasteland before then; it was never realistic to expect those guys to deliver a championship.... but it's not fair to call them garbage.  They're all decent MLB players with their flaws like most players have.  I do agree Venable should be next.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:26 AM

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Maybe I'm overreacting, but my immediate reaction is that this feels like one of the worst Padres deals in recent memory (in terms of value).

I know none of us expected an all-star haul for Chase at this point, but how many decent 3B were even available on the market?

Solarte is a complete waste. 27 year old journeyman.

De Paula is 23 years old in A ball. Yes, he has a 10.9 k/9. But he also has a 1.42 WHIP. He's giving up a hit per inning and walking 4 guys per 9. In sum: He's old for his level and isn't throwing well even there.

Neither of these players will provide any value at the MLB level. May as well have kept Chase for the rest of the year and let him walk in free agency.

I just hope deals for Benoit etc are more fruitful. Opposing GMs must be licking their chops right now.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:31 AM

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From Steve Adams MLBTradeRumors:

Solarte is hitting .254/.337/.381 with the Yankees this season, though much of that production came in the aforementioned April hot streak. The Padres can control him for six years, as he made his big league debut this year, and he’s appeared at second base, third base and shortstop this season. Ideally, he could settle into a utility role for San Diego for the next several seasons.

De Paula, 23, has a 4.15 ERA with 10.5 K/9 and 3.8 BB/9 in 89 innings (17 starts, three relief appearances) at Class-A Advanced Tampa this season. Baseball America noted in its scouting report that De Paula’s mid- to upper-90s fastball was enough to dominate hitters in Low Class A, but he struggled with last year’s debut in High-A Tampa due to an inability to throw his breaking pitches for strikes. He’s made some strides in his command this year, averaging fewer walks. BA noted that if he could learn to command either his slider or changeup, that would be enough to pair with his plus fastball to project as a big league reliever, but if he could learn to command both, he could start in the bigs.

De Paula doesn’t come without personal baggage, as BA’s Ben Badler notes (on Twitter). Badler says De Paula “will be a big leaguer,” but points out that he’s used multiple falsified identities and dates of birth in his road to professional baseball.

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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:33 AM

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What head of the three-head monster pulled this deal off? banghead  It could be ordered dump Headley now at any cost.
Really thrown in $1M to boot? redface  No doubt, as we normal do, we will try to insert Solarte as a regular.

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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:37 AM

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Kouz vs. Headley

Headley is GARBAGE.

It's all behind us now.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:38 AM

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LevelAgain wrote: Kouz vs. Headley

Headley is GARBAGE.

It's all behind us now.
Lol
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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:40 AM

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FENN68 wrote: Seriously bad deal … especially with the Padres sending $1MM to the NYY along with Headley to pull it off. banghead

Solarte, at best will be a utility guy for a couple of years, but at 27 is one of those career MiLers who got hot then cooled off and got demoted. Given the NYY extreme need at 2B/3B and Solarte not being able to hold a starting position … a throw away piece.

DePaula, 23 in A+, WAS once a big prospect (100MPH FB) but now in his 2nd A+ season and not being able to master any secondary pitches (plus his FB has been toned down to the 92-93MPH range) … is just sitting at the NYY #15 prospect in a weak system … prospect status is fading quickly. Future may be as a RP to get his FB back to the upper 90s … that is apparently his calling card.

Did not expect much for Headley … but did expect better. I wonder what role Eppler had in the deal?
Disagree.  This is what you get for an expensive, injured & fading good defensive 3B for < 65 games.
It is worth it simply to save 3 MM & MOVE ON!   IMO Padres win big b/c we did not sign him to the deal so many were talking about on this board 18,12, even 6 months ago.... would have been an utter disaster.

Solarte IMO does make sense for 2 reasons: 

1)  He & Nelson can cover 3B & let Gyorko rehab very slowly in AAA including playing time @ 3B.  Frankly, I'd leave/option Gyorko there till Sept callups
2)  I think Solarte & Nelson are maybe competing for one 40-man roster spot; hopefully against Amarista as well.  Amarista bugs me like Venable does:  not really his fault; he does sometimes provide a spark in limited action.... but Pads (due to injury & lack of alternatives) always play him too much, and his low OBP / bad plate discipline plus little power or speed just need to be upgraded.  He's a guy where I'm just tired of him and what he "offers"...

Elsinore has gone from weakest SP on paper to one of strongest.  All the P's acquired via trade this year have helped cover thin/weakness @ P last 2 drafts.... next year's draft needs to be P focused.

As for Headley.... he was never my favorite guy.  I despise NYY which makes it even harder to root for him.  I have said it before & will again that his HR production in his big 1/2 year compared to power before & after that was exceedingly suspicious.  Other than those 2-3 months, I never felt "positive" when he came up in RBI situations... usually a better description was 'resigned'.

Do have to give him props for his excellent Defense though.  And he always played, even when frequently banged up.  And NYY could be perfect situation for him; not "the" guy, hitter's park, etc.   Next year with ARod could be weird, but could see him signing there long term.

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