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Posted: 07/16/2014 6:05 PM

AAA ALLSTAR GAME 


Tough seeing Dykstra doing well......I guess some players are late bloomers.

 

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Posted: 07/16/2014 6:16 PM

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Galvez is up facing Jamie and his 98mph fastball! Popped up and out....

 

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Posted: 07/16/2014 7:08 PM

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PCL LOST 7-2......

 

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Posted: 07/16/2014 7:48 PM

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Tough seeing Dykstra doing well......I guess some players are late bloomers.

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Typical Padre luck.
We still have Donavan Tate but not Dykstra.
We still have Stauffer but not Kluber.

I just want a middle of the road offensive team in Petco.......is that really too much to ask?





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Posted: 07/16/2014 8:01 PM

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Galvez went 1-2 in the game with an RBI

Dykstra is doing well, but he is also 27 in AAA.  He is still a nonprospect 4A prospect
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Posted: 07/16/2014 8:44 PM

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Tough seeing Dykstra doing well......I guess some players are late bloomers.

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Typical Padre luck.
We still have Donavan Tate but not Dykstra.
We still have Stauffer but not Kluber.

I just want a middle of the road offensive team in Petco.......is that really too much to ask?

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Well....I really believe that we will be an incredible team with Liriano, Renfroe, Fuentes/Noel, Gyorko, Spangenburg, McElroy, Peterson, Medica and Hedges as the Starting team. With our pitching staff, we will rock the world! I truly believe this. With Quackenbush, Sullivan and Barbato in the pen! Lol

 

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Posted: 07/16/2014 9:06 PM

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What are people seeing in Liriano?
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Posted: 07/16/2014 9:43 PM

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ChargersWinII wrote: What are people seeing in Liriano?
Athleticism, 4 tools, and potential. Remember he only just turned 23 a month ago and missed an entire year of development after shredding his elbow. There are plenty of things there to like (great arm, raw power, good speed, solid glove), and he's still got time to put it all together. I'm not sure why you'd want to write him off already...
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Posted: 07/16/2014 9:55 PM

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sportwarrior wrote:
ChargersWinII wrote: What are people seeing in Liriano?
Athleticism, 4 tools, and potential. Remember he only just turned 23 a month ago and missed an entire year of development after shredding his elbow. There are plenty of things there to like (great arm, raw power, good speed, solid glove), and he's still got time to put it all together. I'm not sure why you'd want to write him off already...


Well, he's 23 years old and still in double A and hasn't shown any consistency at the plate. And he strikes out at an alarming rate. All this at age 23 in double A. Doesn't all that resemble Venable? Just because a guy looks like he'd be a good hitter it doesn't mean he is.

I'm not so much ready to write him off as to question why so many here have written him ON as a legit prospect to be excited about. What has he done that has you so excited? I'm still waiting on him to prove himself as a legitimate prospect. Show me some consistency at the plate. Don't strikeout so much. I want to see evidence of a prospect that you all seem to think is there.
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Posted: 07/16/2014 10:55 PM

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ChargersWinII wrote:
sportwarrior wrote:
ChargersWinII wrote: What are people seeing in Liriano?
Athleticism, 4 tools, and potential. Remember he only just turned 23 a month ago and missed an entire year of development after shredding his elbow. There are plenty of things there to like (great arm, raw power, good speed, solid glove), and he's still got time to put it all together. I'm not sure why you'd want to write him off already...


Well, he's 23 years old and still in double A and hasn't shown any consistency at the plate. And he strikes out at an alarming rate. All this at age 23 in double A. Doesn't all that resemble Venable? Just because a guy looks like he'd be a good hitter it doesn't mean he is.

I'm not so much ready to write him off as to question why so many here have written him ON as a legit prospect to be excited about. What has he done that has you so excited? I'm still waiting on him to prove himself as a legitimate prospect. Show me some consistency at the plate. Don't strikeout so much. I want to see evidence of a prospect that you all seem to think is there.
Dont forget he missed an entire season with TJ.  So this year is readjusting to playing everyday.  

I saw him when he was 18 in Arizona and WOW this kid not only had a gun but had accuracy.  He could run, throw, great glove and oh yeah that year he hit .350/398/.523. 

I am not sure what you mean by strikes out a ton... He strikes out about 1 ever 4 AB which is about normal for a power hitter, which the power is showing up this year.  His previous HR high was 12 and that was over 131 games, right now he has 13 in 93 games in a pitchers league... not bad.
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Posted: 07/16/2014 11:05 PM

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Well, to be fair, he strikes out at a similar clip to Hunter Renfroe, and Hunter's knock is his strike out rate... so that could be a knock against Rymer, too.

To respond to Freddy's fear, though... there's no guaranteed formula or equation to predict how a player is going to be affected by rising levels in the minors. Sure, it's possible these guys start striking out more as they progress and see better pitching... but it's also possible they improve along with the pitching and see their strike out rate stay roughly the same. Hell, in his limited time at AA Hunter Renfroe has managed to lower his K rate.

Liriano is still very much an exciting prospect. Give him some more time.
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Posted: 07/17/2014 12:36 AM

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I want him to hit .300 at double A instead of merely .250 - .260 (which he's done in both seasons at double A). I want him to lower his current K rate of ~ 1:3.5 AB's to what you listed him at (1:4), Ben. Also want his BB's rate higher. Right now his BB% per K's is roughly 30%. He's got to elevate his BB's.

And I know it's tough to hit at Wolfe Stadium or whatever it's called but I bet it's even tougher at Petco against Major league pitchers.

And I understand the reason for initial optimism on Liriano as he did hit like a true prospect in lower levels. But that is history. He has to keep that production up through higher levels - If he's to still be considered a legitimate prospect. And I say he needs to regain his prospect status by performing like one in double A. Give me the higher BA (appreciably higher) along with less K's per At-Bat and more BB's and we have ourselves a real prospect again. I understand if no one else needs all of that but I can't do it.

Basically I prefer he hit .300+ with some doubles and mostly singles than .250 and striking out too much with his 13 HRs.

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Posted: 07/17/2014 1:05 AM

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ChargersWinII wrote: I want him to hit .300 at double A instead of merely .250 - .260 (which he's done in both seasons at double A). I want him to lower his current K rate of ~ 1:3.5 AB's to what you listed him at (1:4), Ben. Also want his BB's rate higher. Right now his BB% per K's is roughly 30%. He's got to elevate his BB's.

And I know it's tough to hit at Wolfe Stadium or whatever it's called but I bet it's even tougher at Petco against Major league pitchers.

And I understand the reason for initial optimism on Liriano as he did hit like a true prospect in lower levels. But that is history. He has to keep that production up through higher levels - If he's to still be considered a legitimate prospect. And I say he needs to regain his prospect status by performing like one in double A. Give me the higher BA (appreciably higher) along with less K's per At-Bat and more BB's and we have ourselves a real prospect again. I understand if no one else needs all of that but I can't do it.

Basically I prefer he hit .300+ with some doubles and mostly singles than .250 and striking out too much with his 13 HRs.
Prospect status isn't entirely results driven all the time. If it were, guys like Jon Knott and Paul McAnulty back in the day would have been top prospects and not AAAA players. You have to look at where guys are in development, their skills, their tools, their athleticism... Rymer is developing all of that. this is essentially his age 22 season in terms of development. He's been up and down this season, but there are plenty of signs all the potential he had at age 21 is still there at 23. It's not like he's going to turn into a pumpkin at age 24, either. He's got time.

Also, I'm not quite sure what you're upset about regarding his power. I get the issues with average, but in the Texas League the dude is top 3 in home runs, top 5 in total XBH, top 10 in doubles and SLG, top 15 in OPS. And that's WITH his .250ish average, high strike outs, and up and down season all while playing in a pitchers' league. He hasn't even put it all together and he's still a top player in AA.

He might not be your favorite, but there's no denying he's still a legitimate prospect.

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Posted: 07/17/2014 3:59 AM

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What are people seeing in Liriano?

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Have you seen him play?
He is nothing like Venable.
He's more like Puig.
I saw him beat out on infield hit on a pretty hard hit ball to the shortstop.......and again....he's like Puig,not Ichiro.The guy is fast.
He has always struggled the first couple months at each level and after missing an entire year I would assume it would take him awhile to return to form.
IMO he's a guy you have to see in person to appreciate.

And as was mentioned if it was all about stats Dean Anna would be taking over SS for Jeter next year.





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Posted: 07/17/2014 10:12 AM

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MrPadre19 wrote:


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Tough seeing Dykstra doing well......I guess some players are late bloomers.

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Typical Padre luck.
We still have Donavan Tate but not Dykstra.
We still have Stauffer but not Kluber.

I just want a middle of the road offensive team in Petco.......is that really too much to ask?
Yeah, Kluber was part of the Miguel Tejada trade, wasn't he....
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Posted: 07/17/2014 11:10 AM

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brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote:


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Tough seeing Dykstra doing well......I guess some players are late bloomers.

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Typical Padre luck.
We still have Donavan Tate but not Dykstra.
We still have Stauffer but not Kluber.

I just want a middle of the road offensive team in Petco.......is that really too much to ask?
Yeah, Kluber was part of the Miguel Tejada trade, wasn't he....
He went to the Indians as part of the 3-team deal that got us Ryan Ludwick.

MP, Dykstra is a AAAA guy. He's just kind of having a nice season in AAA at age 27. Not really the kind of thing to get hung up on.

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Posted: 07/17/2014 11:37 AM

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The Padres could fill their systems with 4A guys and have one of the worst systems in baseball.

Stats are not everything, they are nice to have but not the be all end all in evaluating a prospect.
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Posted: 07/17/2014 1:36 PM

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sportwarrior wrote:
brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote:


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Tough seeing Dykstra doing well......I guess some players are late bloomers.

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Typical Padre luck.
We still have Donavan Tate but not Dykstra.
We still have Stauffer but not Kluber.

I just want a middle of the road offensive team in Petco.......is that really too much to ask?
Yeah, Kluber was part of the Miguel Tejada trade, wasn't he....
He went to the Indians as part of the 3-team deal that got us Ryan Ludwick.

MP, Dykstra is a AAAA guy. He's just kind of having a nice season in AAA at age 27. Not really the kind of thing to get hung up on.
Not hung up on him by any means.....its just that he did nothing for us and at least now he's hitting.
I'm just so frustrated that every year we have guys tearing up the lower levels and they either never make it to San Diego or when they do they just can't hit.
Where is our Tulowitzki?
Our Matt Kemp,Buster Posey,or Paul Goldshmidt?
Pick a team and in most cases we can come up with multiple hitters they've developed into superstars since our last one....it's just SO frustrating!!





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Posted: 07/17/2014 1:47 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:
Not hung up on him by any means.....its just that he did nothing for us and at least now he's hitting.
I'm just so frustrated that every year we have guys tearing up the lower levels and they either never make it to San Diego or when they do they just can't hit.
Where is our Tulowitzki?
Our Matt Kemp,Buster Posey,or Paul Goldshmidt?
Pick a team and in most cases we can come up with multiple hitters they've developed into superstars since our last one....it's just SO frustrating!!
Indeed. I know I've joked about it before, but give a couple monkeys some darts and a giant draft board as a target and we'd have had a successful prospect at some point over the last decade. It's really something else to be both this bad at drafting AND this unlucky.
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Posted: 07/17/2014 2:49 PM

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Unless it's in the development of the players but even then you would even if this were the case  that at least a few times a kid would make it based solely on their own talent and determination.
Coaching/Developing can only do so much good....or bad.





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