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The GM Search

Posted: 06/29/2014 10:11 AM

The GM Search 


I say we consolidate all of the info regarding the search for Byrnes' replacement here.  We know that Larry Beinfest has interviewed for the job. 

I am having a hard time finding a lot of trades of note that Beinfest made as Marlins GM.  He did pull off the Josh Beckett/Hanley Ramirez trade, which was a strange and bold move that worked our well for both teams. 

In other news, there has apparently been a "lot of talk" about Kevin Towers.  If this happens, I will officially lose faith in the ownership group.  This would be an absolutely horrendous move.  Towers can't build a winner--even if you give him a winner, he'll still manage to screw it up.  I think this organization needs a new philosophy and a new identity.  The team is bland and boring from top to bottom.  I genuinely think a real tear down has to occur, and I want someone with a new vision for the team.  Towers values "grit" over skill and can't keep his mouth shut.
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Posted: 06/29/2014 10:49 AM

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I expect all the Towers' talk is coming from Towers' agent and alliances in the media who "benefit" from a close relationship with GMs … think "insiders". Also, it is an "easy" rumor to toss out there because of the circumstances.

Would expect some other long time GM types' names start surfacing with their agents and alliances' floating their interest (not necessarily the Padres' interest).

Unless there is an interview … mostly smoke with no fire.

Sort of some of the same logic that has many of the "insiders" praising Byrnes … they don't want to be on record saying anything else lest other GMs get less chummy or Byrnes gets another job where they need him for "insider" information.

As for Beinfest … a lot of his early success and the World Series team was a product of what he inherited (from Dombrowski I think) more than his moves. Was OK later but after Loria (the owner) decided to be more active in team decisions the team faded … hard to tell how much was Beinfest and how much was Loria.
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Posted: 06/29/2014 11:21 AM

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I hear Andy McPhail floated around a lot, too--and unless I am remembering incorrectly he was pretty terrible at the helm of the Orioles.

These are the kinds of moves I don't want.  Not to be ageist, but I don't want a guy in his sixties and ideally I don't want anyone who has been a GM before.  This team is mired in a long stretch of mediocrity (or worse) and bringing in someone with an old school mentality isn't going to help. 

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Posted: 06/30/2014 1:02 AM

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Here's a fresh interview from fangraphs with Jason McLeod conducted before Byrnes was fired. It's particularly interesting because he comments on his time with the Cubs, Padres, and Red Sox.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...er-development/

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Posted: 06/30/2014 10:05 AM

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sportwarrior wrote: Here's a fresh interview from fangraphs with Jason McLeod conducted before Byrnes was fired. It's particularly interesting because he comments on his time with the Cubs, Padres, and Red Sox.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...er-development/

McLeod shouldn't beat himself up too bad over "whiffing" on Headley!!
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Posted: 06/30/2014 10:34 AM

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sportwarrior wrote: Here's a fresh interview from fangraphs with Jason McLeod conducted before Byrnes was fired. It's particularly interesting because he comments on his time with the Cubs, Padres, and Red Sox.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...er-development/
Thanks for posting the link.....it was a good read!

 

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Posted: 06/30/2014 2:29 PM

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McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
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Posted: 06/30/2014 2:33 PM

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Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
Wow, that actually really surprises me.... and sort of annoys me, too. Chicago siphons off all this talent from us, and we can't lure any back with the promise of the GM position?

Does anyone think Byrnes phones his buddies in Chicago and railed against Mike Dee and new ownership? McLeod got his start here, he's a huge Padres fan, he came back here after Boston... why on earth would he not want to come in as GM for his home town club?
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Posted: 06/30/2014 2:48 PM

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sportwarrior wrote:
Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
Wow, that actually really surprises me.... and sort of annoys me, too. Chicago siphons off all this talent from us, and we can't lure any back with the promise of the GM position?

Does anyone think Byrnes phones his buddies in Chicago and railed against Mike Dee and new ownership? McLeod got his start here, he's a huge Padres fan, he came back here after Boston... why on earth would he not want to come in as GM for his home town club?
A lot room to speculate on this one. Keep in mind that McLeod and Dee both were with the Red Sox from 2005-09 … and Dee's Red Sox time was from 2002-09 and crossed over with Epstein and Hoyer plus Byrnes. Maybe they didn't even need Byrnes' input to question working for Dee or just was concerned how the firing worked out publicly as an issue.

Could just be that Epstein and Hoyer (his long time buds) just presented a future that looked much more lucrative, stable, and satisfying. That against maybe he felt that the was a "long shot" anyway.

As an addendum: listened to the Hoyer interview and he said McLeod had a long phone discussion (not an interview) with Dee over the weekend … maybe that tipped the scales for whatever reason. He also suggested that McLeod may be biased to stay in Chicago for quite some time even if other GM slots show up. Must have a good gig there.

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Posted: 06/30/2014 2:57 PM

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sportwarrior wrote:
Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
Wow, that actually really surprises me.... and sort of annoys me, too. Chicago siphons off all this talent from us, and we can't lure any back with the promise of the GM position?

Does anyone think Byrnes phones his buddies in Chicago and railed against Mike Dee and new ownership? McLeod got his start here, he's a huge Padres fan, he came back here after Boston... why on earth would he not want to come in as GM for his home town club?
I dont think Byrnes had anything to do with it. But from hearing the interviews, the FO is more of the "win now" idea, it doesnt look like they are going to give the new GM much room or time to rebuild.  Would you want a job where there will be immense pressure to fix something that is broken?  

Definitely not a good sign if everyone is declining to interview
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Posted: 06/30/2014 3:15 PM

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BenDavey wrote:
sportwarrior wrote:
Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
Wow, that actually really surprises me.... and sort of annoys me, too. Chicago siphons off all this talent from us, and we can't lure any back with the promise of the GM position?

Does anyone think Byrnes phones his buddies in Chicago and railed against Mike Dee and new ownership? McLeod got his start here, he's a huge Padres fan, he came back here after Boston... why on earth would he not want to come in as GM for his home town club?
I dont think Byrnes had anything to do with it. But from hearing the interviews, the FO is more of the "win now" idea, it doesnt look like they are going to give the new GM much room or time to rebuild.  Would you want a job where there will be immense pressure to fix something that is broken?  

Definitely not a good sign if everyone is declining to interview
I don't think that's necessarily true. They want someone with a plan and some vision. Byrnes may insist that he had conflicting orders from the last two regimes, but regardless of what his standing orders were the product he put on the field this season has proven to be terrible. I mean, the guy's vision of the future was largely in place and its failing at an epic, historical pace.

I'm sure management realizes this. They're not looking for someone to come in and magically get us a 1B and 3B and SS and LF next season. That just doesn't make sense. I'm sure they'll exercise some patience with who ever they hire. To fix this mess they simply HAVE to be patient.
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Posted: 06/30/2014 3:56 PM

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sportwarrior wrote:
BenDavey wrote:
sportwarrior wrote:
Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
Wow, that actually really surprises me.... and sort of annoys me, too. Chicago siphons off all this talent from us, and we can't lure any back with the promise of the GM position?

Does anyone think Byrnes phones his buddies in Chicago and railed against Mike Dee and new ownership? McLeod got his start here, he's a huge Padres fan, he came back here after Boston... why on earth would he not want to come in as GM for his home town club?
I dont think Byrnes had anything to do with it. But from hearing the interviews, the FO is more of the "win now" idea, it doesnt look like they are going to give the new GM much room or time to rebuild.  Would you want a job where there will be immense pressure to fix something that is broken?  

Definitely not a good sign if everyone is declining to interview
I don't think that's necessarily true. They want someone with a plan and some vision. Byrnes may insist that he had conflicting orders from the last two regimes, but regardless of what his standing orders were the product he put on the field this season has proven to be terrible. I mean, the guy's vision of the future was largely in place and its failing at an epic, historical pace.

I'm sure management realizes this. They're not looking for someone to come in and magically get us a 1B and 3B and SS and LF next season. That just doesn't make sense. I'm sure they'll exercise some patience with who ever they hire. To fix this mess they simply HAVE to be patient.

Agreed,  I think Byrnes and Co. were expecting a huge bounce back from Alonso and Headley.  No one expected Gyorko to get off to a bad start.   I still think Gyorko is the real deal, he will turn things around. Injuries are injuries.....every team gets them.  I still think that we will see the expected results from the likes of Renfro and Liriano.  Medica will continue to progress, just need 3rd Base to produce a little more.  It just seems that we've lost an awful lot of close games this year.   A lot of men left on base....just need one thumper to provide some clutch hits and I still believe we will turn it around....lol....you gotta believe! 

 

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Posted: 06/30/2014 5:10 PM

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FENN68 wrote:
A lot room to speculate on this one. Keep in mind that McLeod and Dee both were with the Red Sox from 2005-09 … and Dee's Red Sox time was from 2002-09 and crossed over with Epstein and Hoyer plus Byrnes. Maybe they didn't even need Byrnes' input to question working for Dee or just was concerned how the firing worked out publicly as an issue.

Could just be that Epstein and Hoyer (his long time buds) just presented a future that looked much more lucrative, stable, and satisfying. That against maybe he felt that the was a "long shot" anyway.

As an addendum: listened to the Hoyer interview and he said McLeod had a long phone discussion (not an interview) with Dee over the weekend … maybe that tipped the scales for whatever reason. He also suggested that McLeod may be biased to stay in Chicago for quite some time even if other GM slots show up. Must have a good gig there.
I'm guessing McLeod has seen what has happened with Hoyer (firsthand) and Byrnes from afar and probably feels that:

1. Ownership may be a little impatient, thus potentially hurting his chances to become a successful GM, especially since scouting/development may be his wheelhouse.

2. Why take the Padres job (small market) when he could probably wait and get a better gig as he pleases? He's going to get hired. The hard decision was probably deciding whether he should take the guaranteed quick work or wait for a better job.
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Posted: 06/30/2014 5:31 PM

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Chicago Cubs senior vice president Jason McLeod has removed his name for consideration for the vacant general manager position with the San Diego Padres.

The San Diego Padres have asked for  permission to interview Texas Rangers assistant general manager A.J. Preller for their vacant general manager  position, according to a source. It's unknown if or when an interview will take place. 

--- http://www.kffl.com/team/64/mlb/san-diego-padres




 THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES
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Posted: 06/30/2014 5:48 PM

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Mike Hazen, Boston Red Sox, apparently was in town today and interviewed for the GM position. He and Dee worked together when Dee was in Boston … I guess with everyone else (Hoyer, Byrnes, McLeod, Epstein, and ?). 

Always worried when the candidate for a SD job has a history based on working in a big market club's FO … could be culture shock. Saw a note (rebutted by Epstein) that he was unhappy with the Cubs for not giving him the freedom (I assume financial) to make the move he sees fit. That would go for the NYY and Texas guy too. They may be fine BUT a source of concern to a small degree.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 6:01 AM

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Logan White, 52, long time LAD guru on scouting was interviewed yesterday. Considered a very strong candidate based on his success in scouting / drafting for the LAD. Long list of big name players signed under his watch for the LAD. If the Padres future is building from within … he has the credentials based on performance  to meet that requirement.

Note: Mike Hazen who was reported in town yesterday … may be interviewing today … apparently didn't yesterday since that was White. Looks like the Padres are not waisting time …. Bienfest on Friday, White on Monday … would expect the rest will be interviewed this week (at least the first round interview). At this pace "could" get the new GM in place by the All-Star break if the candidate's current organization will release him that soon.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 12:15 PM

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Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
I could maybe understand McLeod saying "no" due to past history with team, but Frost(?) with Oakland A's saying "no" to even an interview to me says pretty loud & clear:

    Padres right now are the Oakland Raiders of MLB.  GM in beautiful climate city in S.Cal with rising payroll... being avoided like the plague.  I think ownership thinking their "25% payroll increase" (from rock bottom) is significant vs. LAD & SF sas yacross the league that their expectations are unrealistic & the next guy probably won't be given time (or $) to succeed.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 1:21 PM

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brianmcon wrote:
Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
I could maybe understand McLeod saying "no" due to past history with team, but Frost(?) with Oakland A's saying "no" to even an interview to me says pretty loud & clear:

    Padres right now are the Oakland Raiders of MLB.  GM in beautiful climate city in S.Cal with rising payroll... being avoided like the plague.  I think ownership thinking their "25% payroll increase" (from rock bottom) is significant vs. LAD & SF sas yacross the league that their expectations are unrealistic & the next guy probably won't be given time (or $) to succeed.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 1:56 PM

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brianmcon wrote:
Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
I could maybe understand McLeod saying "no" due to past history with team, but Frost(?) with Oakland A's saying "no" to even an interview to me says pretty loud & clear:

    Padres right now are the Oakland Raiders of MLB.  GM in beautiful climate city in S.Cal with rising payroll... being avoided like the plague.  I think ownership thinking their "25% payroll increase" (from rock bottom) is significant vs. LAD & SF sas yacross the league that their expectations are unrealistic & the next guy probably won't be given time (or $) to succeed.


Two guys have said no, right? If I was with the A's organization I'd stay there too. And McLeod knows he screwed up with us as scouting director so he's embarrassed to show his face back in San Diego.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 2:27 PM

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ChargersWinII wrote:
brianmcon wrote:
Moldenke wrote: McLeod "withdraws" from consideration for GM job.  That doesn't sound good.  This isn't going to end well
I could maybe understand McLeod saying "no" due to past history with team, but Frost(?) with Oakland A's saying "no" to even an interview to me says pretty loud & clear:

    Padres right now are the Oakland Raiders of MLB.  GM in beautiful climate city in S.Cal with rising payroll... being avoided like the plague.  I think ownership thinking their "25% payroll increase" (from rock bottom) is significant vs. LAD & SF sas yacross the league that their expectations are unrealistic & the next guy probably won't be given time (or $) to succeed.


Two guys have said no, right? If I was with the A's organization I'd stay there too. And McLeod knows he screwed up with us as scouting director so he's embarrassed to show his face back in San Diego.
Forst has been declining GM interviews from various teams for the past few years …. he has a real good gig in Oakland is the GM in waiting when Beane retires … few thought he would really move forward as a candidate.

McLeod apparently spoke with Mike Dee over the weekend (not a full interview mind you). Maybe that was enough for McLeod know were he stood as a candidate and was allowed to take the opportunity to just say he would not go forward with the process. Another option could be how McLeod would want to approach the GM role (i.e. authority, freedom to make certain moves) and that did not align with Dee's vision of the GM role and how he wanted it to be managed … not seeing a match .. again McLeod gets the courtesy of being the one to back out. McLeod also has a good gig in Chicago … and is working with some of his best buddies from Boston in Epstein and Hoyer. Keep in mind that McLeod and Dee worked together in Boston … and at least according to Hoyer, they were good friends (although could just be being politically correct not wanting to upset someone like Dee who you may need to work with … or get a job from in the future).
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