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The Players

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Posted: 06/24/2014 7:46 AM

The Players 


Damn, we've talked this to death. But usually it's buried in some other thread.

We've read that the players were over-rated. We've read that they're all mysteriously under-performing. We've read that they're un-coachable. 

Here's what I'd like to know from all of you sharp minds out there...

Given what you've seen from the players below, and without getting into the politics of Padregate, or trade speculation, which starting position players among the list below should have a future with the Padres based on talent and the likelihood of rebounding.

Grandal
Alonso
Gyrko
Cabrera
Headley
Maybin
Venable

I guess what I'm asking is this, if put on the right track, are any of these guys any good?
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Posted: 06/24/2014 8:56 AM

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I think I'm done with Venable, Alonso and Headley (for health and sucking reasons).

Grandal, Gyorko, Cabrera, Maybin can stick around and we'll see.......

Not much choice on Gyorko anyway but to hope that he rebounds.  He isn't really trade-able at this point.
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Posted: 06/24/2014 8:59 AM

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I'll play.

Grandal: Stays the remainder of this season and into next.  He has shown flashes of power and is young and cheap.  I can live with a Grandal/Rivera platoon at catcher.

Alonso: Stays the remainder of this season and into next.  Mostly because he is cheap.  Next season he will be on a very short leash.  If he doesn't turn it around, he will be gone next season.

Gyorko.  Stays indefinitely.  What choice do we have?  We are now on the hook for a huge contract.  Hopefully he turns it around.

Cabrera:  Trade him when the opportunity arises.  Outside of his outlier season (pharmaceutically assisted), he is a plus arm and speed, below average stick.  HE is cheap now, but is a Boras guy and will not be here once he hits the FA market.

Headley:  Buh-Bye.

Maybin:  I would unload him now, while he is semi-producing and before he starts making $7 million in 2015, $8 million in 2016, and $9 million in 2017.  He is injury prone and has a below average stick.  That is just too much to pay a guy who only brings defense to the table.

Venable:  Trade him now.  Package him with Street as a way to get rid of him.  He is what he is at this point, a fourth outfielder.

Quentin:  The clubhouse has a cancer, and Quentin is his name.  He is super high maintainence and will only play if he is 100%.  As the most established of the position players, you can't tell me that isn't rubbing off on the other guys.  He has a bad attitude and needs to go.

I would try to re-sign Smith and Deno (as the fourth), then go out and get 2 new outfielders via trade/FA.

Padres Baseball: Waiting until next year since 1969.

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Posted: 06/24/2014 9:08 AM

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I'll play.

Grandal: Stays the remainder of this season and into next.  He has shown flashes of power and is young and cheap.  I can live with a Grandal/Rivera platoon at catcher.

Alonso: Stays the remainder of this season and into next.  Mostly because he is cheap.  Next season he will be on a very short leash.  If he doesn't turn it around, he will be gone next season.

Gyorko.  Stays indefinitely.  What choice do we have?  We are now on the hook for a huge contract.  Hopefully he turns it around.

Cabrera:  Trade him when the opportunity arises.  Outside of his outlier season (pharmaceutically assisted), he is a plus arm and speed, below average stick.  HE is cheap now, but is a Boras guy and will not be here once he hits the FA market.

Headley:  Buh-Bye.

Maybin:  I would unload him now, while he is semi-producing and before he starts making $7 million in 2015, $8 million in 2016, and $9 million in 2017.  He is injury prone and has a below average stick.  That is just too much to pay a guy who only brings defense to the table.

Venable:  Trade him now.  Package him with Street as a way to get rid of him.  He is what he is at this point, a fourth outfielder.

Quentin:  The clubhouse has a cancer, and Quentin is his name.  He is super high maintainence and will only play if he is 100%.  As the most established of the position players, you can't tell me that isn't rubbing off on the other guys.  He has a bad attitude and needs to go.

I would try to re-sign Smith and Deno (as the fourth), then go out and get 2 new outfielders via trade/FA.

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Good post.
Probably because I almost agree with this completely!.....lol
I would feel better about trading Cabrera if Peterson would at least hit a little.
I especially like the idea of trading Street along with Venable to try to get us an actual major league hitter.
Even now I still believe Alonso will hit.Maybe not with 25 home run power but I think he can hit .300.





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Posted: 06/24/2014 10:22 AM

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Dancing around the meaning of "future" ….

1. Headley nearly zero … might not make it past the trade deadline and a 99% chance not signed if he hits FA. Yes, I left a 1% chance based on Byrnes being gone (don't think he really ever wanted him back), the fact that there are really no in-house replacements (Gyorko may not be reliable considering the way his injury tends to linger and they would still need a 2B) … if a 1 year deal is the best an underperforming Headley can do … 1% chance;

2. Venable / Quentin … no future past 2015 (age / performance / health) BUT they both are under contract for 2015 so unless someone trades for them … doubt the Padres will release them and eat the contracts without a proven replacement(s) in hand;

3. Cabrera … would be out of here once the have anything close to a ML competent SS … Peterson is the best near term option but looks like he may need some development time in AAA in 2015. Cabrera is gone after 2016 in any case … when he becomes a FA and Boras is his agent.

4. Grandal / Alonso / Medica are young, cheap, under control and before this underperforming of 2014 were projected as good hitting talent by more than just the Padres' organization … they will get a long lease to rebound until a better options arrives from the minor leagues.  2016 potential Hedges bumps Grandal. 2016 potentially Liriano, Dickerson, Asencio, Fuentes, or Renfroe secure a couple of OF slots, Medica if he is performing could bump Alonso off 1B or they could just bump Medica. So, they last until 2016 … maybe 2017.

5. Maybin / Gyorko … well the are both on contracts that go for quite a few year and it will be unlikey to find anyone to take them given the contracts / performance … should be here for a while. That may not be good but the contracts will be a deterrent to moving them if they don't perform. Could be the gifts that keep on giving for the bloggers.

6. Smith / Denorfia are just getting old … might get resigned for 2015 but clearly not the future.
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Posted: 06/24/2014 11:19 AM

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Let me try this again...

I'm not asking you to predict the future. I'm asking if you think any of these guys can become respectable players.
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Posted: 06/24/2014 11:31 AM

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LevelAgain wrote: Let me try this again...

I'm not asking you to predict the future. I'm asking if you think any of these guys can become respectable players.
It's my opinion that every guy on your list could become serviceable again in the near future. Right now, theres some bad juju goin on...
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Posted: 06/24/2014 11:36 AM

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LevelAgain wrote: Let me try this again...

I'm not asking you to predict the future. I'm asking if you think any of these guys can become respectable players.
If the operative words are "can" and "future" , yes, Maybin / Gyorko / Grandal / Alonso / Medica. The rest are past their use by dates.

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Posted: 06/24/2014 12:05 PM

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Alonso,Gyorko and Grandal.





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Posted: 06/24/2014 1:05 PM

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One poster had some interesting points, but the "below average stick" thing ?

Isn't everyone on the Padres a below average stick ?

I wonder if someone like Cabrera could be a solid major leaguer if he was surrounded by a better lineup.  He at least seems solid defensively.   If you think about it, who is the last really solid shortstop the Padres have had ?  Chris Gomez ? Khalil Greene ?
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Posted: 06/24/2014 1:06 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: Alonso,Gyorko and Grandal.
Not sure if Alonso will ever hit with enough power for a first baseman. Gyorko and Grandal can maybe turn it around and be decent
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Posted: 06/24/2014 1:28 PM

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SteveInCbad wrote: One poster had some interesting points, but the "below average stick" thing ?

Isn't everyone on the Padres a below average stick ?

I wonder if someone like Cabrera could be a solid major leaguer if he was surrounded by a better lineup.  He at least seems solid defensively.   If you think about it, who is the last really solid shortstop the Padres have had ?  Chris Gomez ? Khalil Greene ?
Don't forget Deivi Cruz!
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Posted: 06/24/2014 2:07 PM

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Or the  Barlett , Hudson combo banghead

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Posted: 06/24/2014 2:11 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: Alonso,Gyorko and Grandal.
Not sure if Alonso will ever hit with enough power for a first baseman. Gyorko and Grandal can maybe turn it around and be decent

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If he can hit .300 he will hit 15-20.
On this team that would be our All Star representative.





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Posted: 06/24/2014 2:22 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:


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MrPadre19 wrote: Alonso,Gyorko and Grandal.
Not sure if Alonso will ever hit with enough power for a first baseman. Gyorko and Grandal can maybe turn it around and be decent

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If he can hit .300 he will hit 15-20.
On this team that would be our All Star representative.
Honestly, though, do you really think that will ever happen? I mean, the dude is 27 and has looked completely mediocre at best the entire time he's been here. If there is a brightest side to Byrnes getting fired, its that there isn't anyone married to the idea of Alonso as our 1B of the future anymore running this club. He's on the verge of being our next Burroughs, overstaying his welcome and giving us marginal play out of a power position for years while our GM waited for him to become the player he fantasized about.

Now with a new GM, he'll look at Alonso and say "meh" and look for a new 1B.
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Posted: 06/24/2014 2:23 PM

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If Alonso ever hits 20 home runs in a season, I'll eat my Padre hat.

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Posted: 06/24/2014 3:53 PM

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sportwarrior wrote: ...I mean, the dude is 27 and has looked completely mediocre at best the entire time he's been here.


He didn't seem so mediocre back when he was cranking out doubles every night.

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Posted: 06/24/2014 3:55 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:


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MrPadre19 wrote: Alonso,Gyorko and Grandal.
Not sure if Alonso will ever hit with enough power for a first baseman. Gyorko and Grandal can maybe turn it around and be decent

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If he can hit .300 he will hit 15-20.
On this team that would be our All Star representative.
Honestly, though, do you really think that will ever happen? I mean, the dude is 27 and has looked completely mediocre at best the entire time he's been here. If there is a brightest side to Byrnes getting fired, its that there isn't anyone married to the idea of Alonso as our 1B of the future anymore running this club. He's on the verge of being our next Burroughs, overstaying his welcome and giving us marginal play out of a power position for years while our GM waited for him to become the player he fantasized about.

Now with a new GM, he'll look at Alonso and say "meh" and look for a new 1B.

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I know one thing.....he is better than a .210 hitter.
Also,last year he hit by month.
April-.292
May-.277
June-DL
July-.333
August-.241

I'm pretty sure he was still hurt in August.
I'm telling you....."This" year is the aberration with some of these guys.
You've heard that hitting is contagious....well so is "not" hitting.
Something is wrong in that dugout.
I blame Headley!





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Posted: 06/24/2014 3:59 PM

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LevelAgain wrote:
sportwarrior wrote: ...I mean, the dude is 27 and has looked completely mediocre at best the entire time he's been here.


He didn't seem so mediocre back when he was cranking out doubles every night.
When was this? Before we acquired him? His best season for the Padres was 2012 when he slugged .393. This season, in all of major league baseball, there are only 6 regular 1st baseman who are slugging under .400. His ops that season of .741 would also put him in the bottom 1/3rd of starting 1B.

He's never been good enough.
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Posted: 06/24/2014 4:37 PM

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sportwarrior wrote:
Honestly, though, do you really think that will ever happen? I mean, the dude is 27 and has looked completely mediocre at best the entire time he's been here. If there is a brightest side to Byrnes getting fired, its that there isn't anyone married to the idea of Alonso as our 1B of the future anymore running this club. He's on the verge of being our next Burroughs, overstaying his welcome and giving us marginal play out of a power position for years while our GM waited for him to become the player he fantasized about.

Now with a new GM, he'll look at Alonso and say "meh" and look for a new 1B.
Awesome post

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