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FRONT OFFICE SHAKEUP !!!!

  • Icebolt
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Posted: 06/13/2014 2:19 PM

FRONT OFFICE SHAKEUP !!!! 


Any see the story by 1090 ( on the air ) and Rosenthal on Fox talk about the organizational shake up needed? on MLBTRADERUMORS
The whole team needs a shakeup according to Dee. But he won't say what it is or when.
He also mentions people that may be moved to shake things up. Like Denorfia, S.Smith, Street and Kennedy.
How does it help to shake the team up if you trade your best players ( according to this years stats ). 
Black is mentioned as a well respected manager around the league, yet his teams have never performed well or done the little things that bad teams need to do to help. Also, if you were other teams, wouldn't you want the status quote to continue on the Padres? Black started the year really encouraged by the good swings and at bats that players ( especially Gyorko ) were taking ( really? ).  He has also made many comments about what a great outing an opposing pitcher had agaings them. Has anyone notice that most teams facing the Pads this year have had "outing of the year" by one of their pitches?
This team stinks and these are suppose to be professionals, especially their approach of hitting, there should be no positive words coming out of the managers mouth.
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Posted: 06/13/2014 3:16 PM

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Even Brynes said no one was going to get fired before the draft.  Well the draft is over.  This is utterly ridiculous. I have seen bad hitting teams for decades but this one takes the cake.  I love Buddy but he is partly to blame.  You can't rotate hitters in and out day after day and have them respond.  Put the best hitters there and leave them alone.  It's the middle of June.  You don't know who they are yet?   Is anybody else sick on the GM no matter who it is taking an expensive flyer on some injury player hoping for a rebound?  We waste our slim payroll dollars, year after year.

Keep Balsley if possible.  Clean house. 268213.gif
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Posted: 06/13/2014 4:20 PM

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If there's no talent in this organization then why don't we draft better instead of firing the Manager?
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Posted: 06/13/2014 5:55 PM

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--- ChargersWinII wrote:

If there's no talent in this organization then why don't we draft better instead of firing the Manager?

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There are 362 days between drafts.
Not likely we don't do anything until the next one if they keep hitting the way they are.
The draft is only one part to building and running an Org.





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Posted: 06/13/2014 6:48 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:


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--- ChargersWinII wrote:

If there's no talent in this organization then why don't we draft better instead of firing the Manager?

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There are 362 days between drafts.
Not likely we don't do anything until the next one if they keep hitting the way they are.
The draft is only one part to building and running an Org.

It's our best chance to succeed as a bargain-basement organization.
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Posted: 06/13/2014 10:28 PM

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Best guess is Plantier and his associate hitting coach get the ax according to the scribes. The same scribes say Black will get a new skipper job right away. My question is who would hire him and lets find that team and try and trade with them...

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Posted: 06/14/2014 10:32 AM

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I understand everyone is pissed off by the performance of the team this year but I really think that Brynes is getting a lot of unwarranted blame for it. He came into the organization when we had possibly the least collection of talent in the MLB. We wouldn't rank much better now than then, but he's done a good job infusing talent into this organization as a whole. The majority of his trades have been really good for us outside of the Latos trade, and given the position the Padres were in every GM in baseball would've taken that trade. It was universally lauded when it was made, hindsight is 20/20 but he shouldn't get any flank for that trade in my opinion. 

Look what he did in Arizona. He made a few really questionable trades but he also did a fantastic job of collecting talented players over there and their roster was looking absolutely stacked before Kevin Towers decided to dismantle the team by making nothing but boneheaded trade after boneheaded trade. 

This year a ton of guys are underperforming, pretty much everyone outside of Smith. That's not on Byrnes. A lot of websites like Fox and others had us picked as sleeper contenders for the division this year because we did have a good mix of talent. As much as I like Black it just sounds like he's lost the team. They've basically given up and every one of them is slumping.

I just think it would be preemptive to get rid of Brynes before seeing what he can do. Give him some time to blow the roster up and see what he can do, I really feel he's the best bet for us.
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Posted: 06/14/2014 11:27 AM

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WisconsinPadresFan wrote: I understand everyone is pissed off by the performance of the team this year but I really think that Brynes is getting a lot of unwarranted blame for it. He came into the organization when we had possibly the least collection of talent in the MLB. We wouldn't rank much better now than then, but he's done a good job infusing talent into this organization as a whole. The majority of his trades have been really good for us outside of the Latos trade, and given the position the Padres were in every GM in baseball would've taken that trade. It was universally lauded when it was made, hindsight is 20/20 but he shouldn't get any flank for that trade in my opinion. 

Look what he did in Arizona. He made a few really questionable trades but he also did a fantastic job of collecting talented players over there and their roster was looking absolutely stacked before Kevin Towers decided to dismantle the team by making nothing but boneheaded trade after boneheaded trade. 

This year a ton of guys are underperforming, pretty much everyone outside of Smith. That's not on Byrnes. A lot of websites like Fox and others had us picked as sleeper contenders for the division this year because we did have a good mix of talent. As much as I like Black it just sounds like he's lost the team. They've basically given up and every one of them is slumping.

I just think it would be preemptive to get rid of Brynes before seeing what he can do. Give him some time to blow the roster up and see what he can do, I really feel he's the best bet for us.
New ownership need their own people in place … ones they trust and can work with. In place, they have Byrnes and Black that are other people's guys that have not improved the team … may or not be their fault but that is irrelevant because it is not about them it is about the new ownership trying to reset the image of the team from one that has had a losing record in 6 of the last 8 years (one winning season in the last 7).  Can't do that with individuals that are linked with the heritage of that era … and to a degree linked to Moores / Moorad. From many reports the Byrnes - Dee (his boss) relationship is "icy" … not good for the organization and will likely lead to Byrnes early demise … no loss in my mind … actually anyone associated with Moorad is questionable at this point. There are qualified alternatives … change can be good for change sake.

Given where the team is now … and the composition of the roster … and the fact that the top prospects will not be productive MLers for 2-4 years, there is very little room for major improvement for 2015, maybe a return to mediocrity at best … not enough impact FA (and they would not be signed here anyway) and the Padres have no major trade components (unless they scrap the build from within approach which would move them to what we have seen for the past 8 years). At least with a new regime … the organization will be able to show they are not satisfied with the past and are making an effort to change for the future. That is worth a lot.
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Posted: 06/14/2014 12:59 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:


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--- ChargersWinII wrote:

If there's no talent in this organization then why don't we draft better instead of firing the Manager?

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There are 362 days between drafts.
Not likely we don't do anything until the next one if they keep hitting the way they are.
The draft is only one part to building and running an Org.

It's our best chance to succeed as a bargain-basement organization.

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I agree....but we can't sit on our hands the other 362 days.





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Posted: 06/17/2014 8:19 AM

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Right now most Padre fans would take mediocrity. This (2014 team ) is a far cry from this.
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Posted: 06/17/2014 2:44 PM

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IMO the Padres got it right with Sandy Alderson/Depo.

I thought they got it right again with Jed Hoyer.

It all starts at the top. You need stability and talent first.
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Posted: 06/20/2014 1:09 PM

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Maybe Hoyer can come back and have full control!
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Posted: 06/20/2014 1:13 PM

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Icebolt wrote: Maybe Hoyer can come back and have full control!
I was actually thinking this the other day, more like daydreaming.

Hoyer isn't in a great position right now in Chicago in terms of power, but is there any precedent of something like this happening in MLB? Doubtful.
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Posted: 06/20/2014 1:52 PM

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surprised Interesting.  Skinflint Moorad is gone.  Fowler & Co. need to make a pitch for him.
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Posted: 06/20/2014 2:09 PM

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DaveyPinstripes wrote:
Icebolt wrote: Maybe Hoyer can come back and have full control!
I was actually thinking this the other day, more like daydreaming.

Hoyer isn't in a great position right now in Chicago in terms of power, but is there any precedent of something like this happening in MLB? Doubtful.
All things are possible but I doubt getting Hoyer back is in the cards.

I liked Hoyer … mainly based on is easy open style in interviews but
In his two years did do that much to move the needle forward (except trade AGon)
However, he was under Moorad which limited is moves
And Moorad brought in Byrnes who probably was undermining his autonomy

No compelling argument for him and, generally, I don't like to go backwards. to trying to recapture those glory days of 2010-11.

The Padres last made the playoffs in 2006 … 8 years …. time to make a break from past owners, front offices, and field personnel and start anew with individuals unencumbered with the past of the Padres.

I am fine with the new owners / Fowler … has not yet been two years and they have put money into the payroll and into the ballpark.

Byrnes will well liked by Moorad who brought him over … that alone should be a reason to axe him. Apparently Dee (who was brought in to replace Garfinkel … another Moorad guy from AZ) does not like Byrnes all that much. Byrnes has not enough to warrant any consideration … he constructed the current team … he has got to go.

Black, who I actually have less of a problem with than most mainly because I could not even win with the players he has been given, should go too because he too is tied to the past.

Then the players …. all should be at risk to systematically get moved (not all at once) but with early focus on players that are not under control past 2015 and / or over 30 … it will take until 2016 (at best) before enough of the prospects arrive and contribute. 

About the only exception to the break from the past would be Tim Flannery as Mgr. … he has not been part of the recent bad times but has been an inspirational part of 1984 and 1998. Can't judge his yet as a Mgr. but he does have the personality to would interesting out front every game.

Bottom line …. clean house from the past 8 years … and with little chance of contending in 2015 with this roster, they "old" players need to be fodder for trades while the may have some value.
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Posted: 06/20/2014 3:30 PM

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It could be could nothing has happen yet because Tony's death.  Maybe next week the canning will begin.  You would have to think it is before the All Star Break.  Guys like Plantier should making their Summer vacation plans. crazy
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Posted: 06/20/2014 4:39 PM

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Another view of Byrnes era …. and why ownership may not think his retention is justified:

Padres payroll in 2011 … $55.6MM
Byrnes assumes GM role October, 2011
Padres payroll in 2014 … $90.6MM …$35MM increase (63%)

Padres winning %:
2011 …. .438
2014 …. .425

3 years as GM …. $35MM more in payroll .. worse record.  Not a resume suited for job retention with the new bosses.
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Posted: 06/21/2014 6:45 AM

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Padres GM Josh Byrnes Could Be On Hot Seat

By Charlie Wilmoth [June 21, 2014 at 8:21am CDT]

GM Josh Byrnes’ relationship with the Padres’ ownership has “deteriorated,” FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal writes, and one scenario is that the team could fire Byrnes and replace him with fellow Padres exec A.J. Hinch on an interim basis. Tony Gwynn’s recent passing could prevent the Padres from making such a move immediately, but Rosenthal suggests that they’ll need to make a decision soon, with the trade deadline on the horizon. Chase HeadleyCarlos Quentin (who could waive his no-trade clause), Ian Kennedy and Huston Street could all wind up on the trade market, and the team could also get plenty of talent if it traded Andrew Cashner.

Reports last week indicated that there could soon be a shakeup within the Padres organization, with hitting coach Phil Plantier and manager Bud Black possibly among the most vulnerable, though Rosenthal reports that it’s Byrnes whose situation is most uncertain. At 32-42, the Padres are in the midst of what could be their fourth straight losing season, despite a payroll increase last winter.

Just sort of reinforces speculation … Rosenthal has a pretty good ear for these things.

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Posted: 06/21/2014 6:59 AM

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If they do get rid of Byrnes I really hope they get a replacement GM that knows about hitters and what traits/skills make a good one. I'm not convinced any GM will make a difference for us until we actually are able to sign and draft real hitters (hitters first/athletes second). Then of course we need to get pitchers that can get outs without injuring their arms. Easier said than done. Damn!
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Posted: 06/21/2014 7:05 AM

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Please don't trade Cashner.
I could see Kennedy as we really didn't give much for him and he has value.
But we need our Ace.





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