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Blocking the plate.

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Posted: 12/11/2013 6:07 PM

Blocking the plate. 


I reckon y'all have read the proposed rule change.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove13/story/_/id/10121 849/mlb-intends-ban-home-plate-collisions-2015

Initially, I was opposed to the idea. Being a bit of purist, I prefer they leave the game alone. But after thinking about it, I like the idea. the long-term health of these guys is way more important.

But I don't understand why they wouldn't treat blocking the plate like they do every other base—meaning you can only block it with possession of the ball. Then all they have to do is not let runners target the catcher.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 6:31 PM

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What's next pitchers with pitching screens?  No collisions with walls or diving because that's too dangerous?  Stupid looking batting helmets for base coaches who should be paying attention and can get out of the way...oh, wait.

This is so BS...and, yes, I am in favor of career ending injuries to catchers who don't know how to block the plate and I think 3 year olds who run into traffic should be run over...so save your drivel.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:52 PM

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Good rule change. The "loss" is outweighed by the benefit of saving players' health and careers.  Nothing that makes this game great is being sacrificed, in my opinion.
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Last edited 12/11/2013 7:53 PM by USMC53

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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:43 PM

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I agree, '53.

Yet, don't you find it odd that catchers will no longer be able to block the plate, but infielders can still block bases?
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:36 PM

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How the hell do you implement this rule?The only way I can see this working is if the catchers allowed to touch the plate like a force out
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Posted: 12/13/2013 8:16 PM

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gcbgcb123 wrote: How the hell do you implement this rule?The only way I can see this working is if the catchers allowed to touch the plate like a force out

Don't agree with the rule at all....This like many other sports are physical.  There will continue to be injuries in this sport, regardless of this rule.  Collisions at the plate happen so infrequently, there really wasn't a need to implement this rule. I think this rule was put into play because it was Posey, an MVP player.  Same thing happened to Cervelli and no one paid attention, but Posey gets hurt, Boche goes on a personal mission.  What's next.....pitchers banned for hitting a batter? Jayson Bay shouldn't have hit that wall...   I can't stand the wusification of America...total BS.  I don't want to see ANYONE get hurt...  Perhaps MLB is concerned about possible lawsuits similar to what happened in the NFL...who knows!

 

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Posted: 12/13/2013 9:05 PM

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gcbgcb123 wrote: How the hell do you implement this rule?The only way I can see this working is if the catchers allowed to touch the plate like a force out
There will still be contact at home plate, just not collisions like this, where Posey wasn't blocking the plate at all, but Cousins targeted him, lowered his shoulder, and drove it into him.  Cousins could have gone for the plate but chose instead to go for the catcher.  Look at 0:45-0:51.  It's nauseating if you ask me.  If that makes me a wuss, whatever.

As to the argument that big home plate collisions happen rarely, that's great news for people who hate the rule change.  The game will barely change for those of us sitting on our couches.  But it'll change a hell of a lot for a guy whose career could be ended, or brain damaged, by just one or two of these types of collisions.

I don't think implementing the rule will be all that difficult.  If the catcher is completely blocking the plate, so that the runner has no avenue to home, the runner will be awarded a run, so no need for collision.  If the the play looks like the Posey play linked above, the runner will be out (and maybe suspended and/or fined, depending on severity), even if he knocks the ball loose and the runner touches home.  There will be some subjectivity and the need for judgment on the part of umpires, but the same is true of balls and strikes and numerous other rules in baseball.  What else is new?

It's baseball people who have driven this rule change, and who will be in charge of writing the new rules.  It's not a Congressional committee or a group of ACLU lawyers.  They'll write the rules in a way that make sense to baseball people.  And if it's guys like Matheny, Scoscia, and Bochy pushing for the rule, all of whom played catcher and have managed for years, I'm guessing it's not about "wussification" (whatever that even means, which is a whole other topic), but rather about doing what's in the best interest of the game and the people who play it.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 10:02 PM

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You guys are getting at what I was suggesting—treat home plate like you treat any other base. Fielders can block the plate if and only if they have the ball, but runners can't target the fielder (at least, I believe they can't).
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Posted: 12/14/2013 10:52 AM

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LAME !!
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Posted: 12/14/2013 11:01 AM

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Commie wrote: What's next pitchers with pitching screens?  No collisions with walls or diving because that's too dangerous?  Stupid looking batting helmets for base coaches who should be paying attention and can get out of the way...oh, wait.

This is so BS...and, yes, I am in favor of career ending injuries to catchers who don't know how to block the plate and I think 3 year olds who run into traffic should be run over...so save your drivel.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 11:04 AM

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collisions at the plate are pointless.  the only result is injury.  I'd rather the game not lose a great player for a full year in order to protect some idiotic macho posturing. 

like level said, why it hasn't been treated like any other base is beyond me.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 11:11 AM

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I was against it two years ago when it started to gain steam, but the more I have thought about it, the more I like it.  I like seeing a good collision at the plate just like anyone but what is more important, player safety or the few times us fans get to see a completely defenseless catcher blown up?  It will not change my enjoyment of the game at all and it makes the game safer for both runners(catches dropping shin guard in front of plate at last minute when runner is sliding) and catchers.

I understand those who are upset about it, but come on, is player safety over a play that rarely happens really mean that little?
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Posted: 12/14/2013 1:24 PM

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tmshrout wrote: I was against it two years ago when it started to gain steam, but the more I have thought about it, the more I like it.  I like seeing a good collision at the plate just like anyone but what is more important, player safety or the few times us fans get to see a completely defenseless catcher blown up?  It will not change my enjoyment of the game at all and it makes the game safer for both runners(catches dropping shin guard in front of plate at last minute when runner is sliding) and catchers.

I understand those who are upset about it, but come on, is player safety over a play that rarely happens really mean that little?
Well...I'm still against it, but I'm sure there will be plenty to talk about a year from now.  Anxious to see how this plays out, especially when a game deciding play at the plate is made.

 

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Posted: 12/14/2013 2:19 PM

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I was against it two years ago when it started to gain steam, but the more I have thought about it, the more I like it.  I like seeing a good collision at the plate just like anyone but what is more important, player safety or the few times us fans get to see a completely defenseless catcher blown up?  It will not change my enjoyment of the game at all and it makes the game safer for both runners(catches dropping shin guard in front of plate at last minute when runner is sliding) and catchers.

I understand those who are upset about it, but come on, is player safety over a play that rarely happens really mean that little?

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I agree with you.....but completely defenseless?





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Posted: 12/14/2013 2:38 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:

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I was against it two years ago when it started to gain steam, but the more I have thought about it, the more I like it.  I like seeing a good collision at the plate just like anyone but what is more important, player safety or the few times us fans get to see a completely defenseless catcher blown up?  It will not change my enjoyment of the game at all and it makes the game safer for both runners(catches dropping shin guard in front of plate at last minute when runner is sliding) and catchers.

I understand those who are upset about it, but come on, is player safety over a play that rarely happens really mean that little?

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I agree with you.....but completely defenseless?
Sporting high tech protective gear and not allowed to be in the path until he has the ball is far from defenseless...Hell the catcher controls the situation more often than not...

This rule sucks !!!
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Posted: 12/14/2013 6:16 PM

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Rule 7.06(b)

The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The baseline belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.

cbs sports had an article on this on 12/11...  unable to copy the link.  After reading the article, I didn't realize that this rule has been in effect for a long time.  Due to the baseball world having accepted collisions at the plate for so long, it was one of those rules that wasn't really enforced.  Technically, a catcher blocking the plate without the ball is supposed to be called for an obstruction.   

If this was the rule all along, then I would have to stay with the integrity of the game and abide by the rule that has always been in place.  But now, a player will have to slide into the plate, instead of barreling over the catcher.   I can live with that....Learned something new today...

 

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Posted: 12/14/2013 7:25 PM

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TPichierri wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- tmshrout wrote:

I was against it two years ago when it started to gain steam, but the more I have thought about it, the more I like it.  I like seeing a good collision at the plate just like anyone but what is more important, player safety or the few times us fans get to see a completely defenseless catcher blown up?  It will not change my enjoyment of the game at all and it makes the game safer for both runners(catches dropping shin guard in front of plate at last minute when runner is sliding) and catchers.

I understand those who are upset about it, but come on, is player safety over a play that rarely happens really mean that little?

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I agree with you.....but completely defenseless?
Sporting high tech protective gear and not allowed to be in the path until he has the ball is far from defenseless...Hell the catcher controls the situation more often than not...

This rule sucks !!!
Um, high tech protective gear?  The gear is designed to protect you from baseballs, not a full grown human slamming into you.  And when the injuries tend to occur is when the catcher is still trying to catch the ball from right field so his back is to the runner and the runner slams into him.  And yes that makes him completely defenseless.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 7:25 PM

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Way to dig that one up.

Now I'm curious to know what the rulebook says about targeting a fielder, at home plate or any base.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 7:27 PM

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27TKO wrote: Rule 7.06(b)

The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The baseline belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.

cbs sports had an article on this on 12/11...  unable to copy the link.  After reading the article, I didn't realize that this rule has been in effect for a long time.  Due to the baseball world having accepted collisions at the plate for so long, it was one of those rules that wasn't really enforced.  Technically, a catcher blocking the plate without the ball is supposed to be called for an obstruction.   

If this was the rule all along, then I would have to stay with the integrity of the game and abide by the rule that has always been in place.  But now, a player will have to slide into the plate, instead of barreling over the catcher.   I can live with that....Learned something new today...
Runners also go for the catcher quite often, even if they are not in front of the plate and still trying to receive the ball.  It is a split second decision and they are more worried about making sure they score than keeping the catcher safe.  The new rule will catchers from being in a defenseless position and being blown up by a runner that does have a path to the plate as well.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 8:54 PM

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Rule 7.06(b)

The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The baseline belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.

cbs sports had an article on this on 12/11...  unable to copy the link.  After reading the article, I didn't realize that this rule has been in effect for a long time.  Due to the baseball world having accepted collisions at the plate for so long, it was one of those rules that wasn't really enforced.  Technically, a catcher blocking the plate without the ball is supposed to be called for an obstruction.   

If this was the rule all along, then I would have to stay with the integrity of the game and abide by the rule that has always been in place.  But now, a player will have to slide into the plate, instead of barreling over the catcher.   I can live with that....Learned something new today...

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It isn't obstruction for the catcher to be in front of the plate without the ball.........if he is in the act of fielding it,which he almost "always" is when the runner barrels him over.

And Notmy......you are arguing semantics.
You said he was completely defenseless.....he isn't "completely" defenseless if he has padding and a cup and a helmet and face mask along with shin guards.
Yes.....he can get hurt getting bowled over by a runner at full speed......he just isn't "completely" defenseless.





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