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What do the Padres need?

Posted: 12/08/2013 12:56 PM

What do the Padres need? 


Okay, so I've come to the conclusion that most everyone on this board has an idea of what pieces the Padres need to compete. So my question is thus: What pieces do they need? Many say we need a frontline starter, others says a bonafide outfielder with power, I've heard shortstop, bullpen, etc. Now obviously we need a few different pieces because I don't think any one player puts the Padres instantly into World Series contention which is obviously what we're all looking for. Throw some names out there and some proposed trade packages, I'm really curious. And yes, I understand many are going to say "They need new ownership," or "to spend money" but let's assume that the payroll and revenue are synced right now and we don't have tons of money to spend, although I have the feeling that we could spend a little bit more if we had to. 

Starting us off I personally think that our rotation is set and good, it may not be the Nationals' or Cardinals' but I think it's got enough depth and potential for us to succeed. A name I'd like to see us go after is Shelby Miller since he was apparently available earlier this season, but I don't feel like a trade is a good fit since the Cardinals are overloaded with young pitching just like we are and we don't have much ammunition outside of pitching. A 1-5 of Cash, Kennedy, Johnson, Leubke and Stults with a bunch of young guys vying for spots sounds like a contending rotation to me if everyone pitches anywhere near their potential. Besides Stults, that is three separate pitchers with #1 potential and Ross with the potential for a #2. 

I don't really think that there's any upgrades we could get in the infield except for at first, but giving up on Alonso this early would be a mistake in my opinion. He was hitting really well early in the year before he got injured and if he develops any sort of power (which very well may be coming) we could have a helluva first baseman on our hands. Billy Butler with + defense. 

The outfield is probably where I would look for an upgrade, Quentin is a beast at the plate but slightly below average defensively and obviously only plays in two-thirds of games in a good year, but worth having on the roster for his bat. Maybin can be a 4-5 WAR player if he stays healthy and the Deno/Venable combo is effective if not particularly flashy. The Seth Smith wrench crowds the outfield a bit but if we could acquire a legitimate outfield with power I think we pull the trigger. The guy I like the most is obviously Stanton, but a realistic target would be Dominic Brown. I feel like the Phillies could be persuaded by our pitching depth and a package like Erlin, Sampson, and random prospect that one could get us Brown. I would've liked to see Gregerson packaged with these guys for Brown, but we have Smith instead. 

The bullpen definitely needs some work; Street is money but we have question marks pretty much all over except for Vincent. Moving Burch Smith and either Erlin or Stults to the bullpen would probably be a really good start, and I would say sign Axford and a lefty to fill it out a bit and it would be pretty good, assuming Axford's time in St. Louis wasn't a mirage. 

I'm really curious to hear what you guys have to say, but I feel like it's hard to really pinpoint specific places for the Padres to upgrade, top down we have a pretty good roster. We are devoid of real super power but there is a ton of potential on this roster. If our guys stay healthy and perform to their potential I could see us making a deep playoff run, legitimately. So I think what we need more than anything is to just stay healthy and a little luck, and we're playoff bound. Maybe I'm just an out-of-touch homer, thoughts?
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Posted: 12/08/2013 1:56 PM

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RP,CF,SP,RF in that order.
While we have quality starting pitching prospects......who will probably start in the Pen.....you can always upgrade a bullpen.
Centerfield is Maybin/Venable.......I'm OK with this situation......but it is an area where an upgrade offensively would help.
SP......another place we are much better than last year and probably in pretty good shape going forward......but who would complain if we added an Ace to the front and moved everyone else down a notch?
RF........Venorfia......They're a pretty darn good combo.....but was 2013 a career year for Venable?
Wouldn't it be nice to have ONE guy who gives us even more power and frees up a roster spot?
I guess you could add Catcher.Hundley is average and we just don't know what we will have when Grandal returns.
It's the hardest position to improve offensively because just about every team would like more offense from their catching position.......but we could use more offense there.





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Posted: 12/09/2013 7:17 AM

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MrPadre19 wrote: RP,CF,SP,RF in that order.
While we have quality starting pitching prospects......who will probably start in the Pen.....you can always upgrade a bullpen.
Centerfield is Maybin/Venable.......I'm OK with this situation......but it is an area where an upgrade offensively would help.
SP......another place we are much better than last year and probably in pretty good shape going forward......but who would complain if we added an Ace to the front and moved everyone else down a notch?
RF........Venorfia......They're a pretty darn good combo.....but was 2013 a career year for Venable?
Wouldn't it be nice to have ONE guy who gives us even more power and frees up a roster spot?
I guess you could add Catcher.Hundley is average and we just don't know what we will have when Grandal returns.
It's the hardest position to improve offensively because just about every team would like more offense from their catching position.......but we could use more offense there.
I agree, but would add utility Infielder just after RP.
I doubt they'll do much besides RP.  I think they're just gauging value on Headley.
Never know, could be surprised somewhere.
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Posted: 12/09/2013 8:25 AM

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Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?





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Posted: 12/09/2013 9:34 AM

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MrPadre19 wrote: Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?
Guzman OR Blanks is gone for sure.  I've argued they should keep Blanks (6th OF/1B/PH but most important moves up to 5th OF if Quentin or Maybin not ready) on 25-man roster with Amarista only INF & Forsythe in AAA.  So Guzman goes.

Unusual 25-man roster unlikely to remain that way all year.  Would depend what happens with injuries.
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Posted: 12/09/2013 9:45 AM

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brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?
Guzman OR Blanks is gone for sure.  I've argued they should keep Blanks (6th OF/1B/PH but most important moves up to 5th OF if Quentin or Maybin not ready) on 25-man roster with Amarista only INF & Forsythe in AAA.  So Guzman goes.

Unusual 25-man roster unlikely to remain that way all year.  Would depend what happens with injuries.
I agree it should be Guzman but he is a darn good pinch hitter.
But this roster doesn't have room for a PH specialist.
Also, if we were to add a utility infielder......would he take Amaristas' place?
And if so.....what do we do with Amarista....does he have an option left?





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Posted: 12/09/2013 9:46 AM

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brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?
Guzman OR Blanks is gone for sure.  I've argued they should keep Blanks (6th OF/1B/PH but most important moves up to 5th OF if Quentin or Maybin not ready) on 25-man roster with Amarista only INF & Forsythe in AAA.  So Guzman goes.

Unusual 25-man roster unlikely to remain that way all year.  Would depend what happens with injuries.
Wait...so you think we will keep Amarista and Blanks,release Guzman, and put Forsythe in AAA?





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Posted: 12/09/2013 2:26 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:
brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?
Guzman OR Blanks is gone for sure.  I've argued they should keep Blanks (6th OF/1B/PH but most important moves up to 5th OF if Quentin or Maybin not ready) on 25-man roster with Amarista only INF & Forsythe in AAA.  So Guzman goes.

Unusual 25-man roster unlikely to remain that way all year.  Would depend what happens with injuries.
Wait...so you think we will keep Amarista and Blanks,release Guzman, and put Forsythe in AAA?
Yes.  I detailed this idea on a separate thread "4 stages of Padres 2014 season".  So I won't rehash all details, but they can go 1st 2 weeks with 4 starters/6 bench.  When they go to 5 starters, they option Forsythe to play every day.  Forsythe hasn't found his ceiling or floor yet IMO; could he start at 2B next year?  can he really be super utility?  We don't know; this is the last year he can develop at AAA.  Amarista is at his ceiling as a utility guy.  How many AB's he gets doesn't matter.

I'm thinking of Forsythe as the 26th guy; if almost any position player goes on DL, Forsythe comes up.  The issue would be if a pos. player was out for a while but not enough to go on DL.  Then you probably have to DFA/trade Blanks to bring up Forsythe.  If a guy goes on DL FIRST, Forsythe would already be there, so might be able to go short bench like we did at times last year.  But if all other OF are healthy & a minor injury happens somewhere, that might be it for Blanks as a Padre....  I feel Blanks is a better insurance policy with more trade upside than Guzman.  But Guzman is a better PH, and addition of Smith does sort of favor Guzman's profile. 

We'll see....
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Posted: 12/09/2013 3:37 PM

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In order:

1a) RP (and alot of it)

1b) Corner OF

2) Utility IF

 

RP and utility IF are self explanatory.

 

I think the Padres still need an starting corner OF.  This is why I am upset that the club went cheap and settled on Smith.

Smith is fine as a back up when Quentin goes down.  Venable can spell Maybin in center when he is either ineffective or gets hurt.  But when (notice if I didn't type "IF") that happens, it leaves the OF in terrible shape with no depth.  We are two (probable injuries) away from Smith-Venable-Denorfia as our starting OF, with Blanks (who may or may not make club), Medica (Can he play OF?), Amarista (NO!!!!) Guzman (If he is still on the team), or Fuentes (Durango-Lite) as the 4th outfielder.

I HATE having 6 bodies filling 3 spots.  Our outfield mess is clogging up the roster and preventing us from having IF depth.  If the Padres would just sign a legit corner OF starter, it would be Quentin-Venable-New Guy.  We would have Denorfia and Maybin on the bench, who could fill in everywhere in the OF.  When Quentin goes down, Denorfia can replace him.  Maybin is a great DEFENSIVE replacement anywhere in that OF.

I am calm now.  Sorry about my previous rants.  Just needed to vent.  Being a Padres fan will do that to a person.

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Posted: 12/09/2013 4:54 PM

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I really think that the fact that we gave up Gregerson for Smith is making everyone under value Smith.
The guy can hit.





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Posted: 12/09/2013 8:09 PM

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I don't really think that utility infield is a need for us, because I don't think we are going to get anyone with more value than what we already have. I could see the need for a viable backup at SS but even then Amarista filled in at least semi-admirably, and with how crunched our roster already is do we need to keep a dedicated SS backup on the roster like a Ronny Cedeno? I would vote no, unless we think that Forsythe or Amarista can get better in AAA, but I think they're both quite ready for the bigs. Forsythe is a guy that I would peg for a breakout performance if he can get even a semi-regular amount of at bats. I'm over Amarista's .619 OPS, and last year he was the definition of a replacement player putting up -0.0WAR.

If I have to choose between Guzman and Blanks though, I pick Blanks every day of the week. The guy can mash when he's healthy, and statistics would say that one of these seasons he has to stay relatively healthy, since it's not one injury that is nagging him over and over. Given, last year his numbers were down but there's so much more potential in Blanks than in Guzman. I really wish any of these guys had some trade value, Guzman may have a smidge but definitely not much at all.

If I were Byrnes right now I would definitely be going after Dominic Brown like I said before, who apparently the Phillies are shopping and I would look into getting Ackley and change from Seattle for Headley. I like Headley but that's an offer you can't pass up since we need MLB-ready talent and Ackley has already proved that he is a great second baseman. There's definitely some work needed in the bullpen, if we trade for Brown can we take back the Gregerson trade? I don't hate the trade, but I'm starting to think with more players becoming available that Byrnes may have jumped too soon at the first left handed bat available.
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Posted: 12/10/2013 3:46 AM

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Apparently we need Mark Prior and he might become a Padre again after all!





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Posted: 12/10/2013 11:02 AM

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We need a new commish!
One that caters to all of baseball and not just to the "big Boys". 
One that really does care if players "cheat". During Sosa-McGuire Bud had his head in the sand. Why is McGuire allowed to be "in" baseball after admitting he cheated?
One that will put a hard salary cap. Cano for $240 mil. Someone will have to pay for it.
Thats all!crazy
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Posted: 12/10/2013 11:30 AM

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MrPadre19 wrote:
brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?
Guzman OR Blanks is gone for sure.  I've argued they should keep Blanks (6th OF/1B/PH but most important moves up to 5th OF if Quentin or Maybin not ready) on 25-man roster with Amarista only INF & Forsythe in AAA.  So Guzman goes.

Unusual 25-man roster unlikely to remain that way all year.  Would depend what happens with injuries.
I agree it should be Guzman but he is a darn good pinch hitter.
But this roster doesn't have room for a PH specialist.
Also, if we were to add a utility infielder......would he take Amaristas' place?
And if so.....what do we do with Amarista....does he have an option left?
GHOF, didn't we just resign Alberto Gonzalez? He plays SS doesn't he?
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Posted: 12/10/2013 11:40 AM

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WindsorUK wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote:
brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?
Guzman OR Blanks is gone for sure.  I've argued they should keep Blanks (6th OF/1B/PH but most important moves up to 5th OF if Quentin or Maybin not ready) on 25-man roster with Amarista only INF & Forsythe in AAA.  So Guzman goes.

Unusual 25-man roster unlikely to remain that way all year.  Would depend what happens with injuries.
I agree it should be Guzman but he is a darn good pinch hitter.
But this roster doesn't have room for a PH specialist.
Also, if we were to add a utility infielder......would he take Amaristas' place?
And if so.....what do we do with Amarista....does he have an option left?
GHOF, didn't we just resign Alberto Gonzalez? He plays SS doesn't he?
That's true...we did.....and he does.
What he doesn't do very well though is hit.
Career OPS of .590 in the Bigs.......Ew!





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Posted: 12/10/2013 2:06 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:
WindsorUK wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote:
brianmcon wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: Utility infielder?
I guess we could use one who is a better fielder at SS.....but I like Forsythe as our utility guy.
I'm wondering now with Seth Smith coming a aboard what that means for Guzman,Blanks,and Amarista?
We have Quentin,Maybin,Venable,Smith,and Denorfia covering the outfield.
Who do you guys think we don't keep from that list?
Guzman OR Blanks is gone for sure.  I've argued they should keep Blanks (6th OF/1B/PH but most important moves up to 5th OF if Quentin or Maybin not ready) on 25-man roster with Amarista only INF & Forsythe in AAA.  So Guzman goes.

Unusual 25-man roster unlikely to remain that way all year.  Would depend what happens with injuries.
I agree it should be Guzman but he is a darn good pinch hitter.
But this roster doesn't have room for a PH specialist.
Also, if we were to add a utility infielder......would he take Amaristas' place?
And if so.....what do we do with Amarista....does he have an option left?
GHOF, didn't we just resign Alberto Gonzalez? He plays SS doesn't he?
That's true...we did.....and he does.
What he doesn't do very well though is hit.
Career OPS of .590 in the Bigs.......Ew!
That is fairly brutal!

Hopefully though, with a healthy Evereth Cabrera, a back-up SS won't get much run. Should ECab need a day off, just move Venable to the top spot in the order, and bat Gonzalez 8.

As for the other needs, it would be nice to have a lefty in the pen that can get lefties out. I'd let the young starters vie the last few spots in the pen. It's time to see what these young guys( Burch Smith, Sampson,etc.) have.

I can't see Guzman making the team if Blanks is healthy, as Kyle is a more versatile player. Actually, I'd like to see Kyle battle Alonso for the starting 1st base job this spring. I think all the running around in the outfield has contributed to his physical woes so I think a full time return to 1st will help him stay healthy( one can hope,right?)

I like both Forsythe and Amarista so don't have a preference of which stays or goes. If Gonzalez does make the squad, one of the 2 may have to go.

Ideally, I'd still like to see the team bring in a corner outfielder who plays every day and fits well into Petco( a Will Venable type athlete/player).

It just odd that we're pinning our hopes over the past few years on the acquisitions of Jason Marquis, Tyson Ross, Josh Johnson and Seth Smith. Does the front office really believe the rest of the roster is good enough to make just these small additions? We're in trouble if that's the case. Byrnes better hope for a winning season or this will be his last one here!
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Posted: 12/10/2013 5:47 PM

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I don't see how Gonzalez makes the opening day roster.I gotta believe he plays in AAA unless Cabrera gets hurt.
Forsythe,Amarista,Denorfia,Smith,and Blanks have the infield and outfield covered.
Forsythe or Amarista could play SS for 1-2 games to give Everth a blow if needed while Gonzalez would be brought up for any extended down time.





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Posted: 12/10/2013 7:08 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: I don't see how Gonzalez makes the opening day roster.I gotta believe he plays in AAA unless Cabrera gets hurt.
Forsythe,Amarista,Denorfia,Smith,and Blanks have the infield and outfield covered.
Forsythe or Amarista could play SS for 1-2 games to give Everth a blow if needed while Gonzalez would be brought up for any extended down time.

Yeah, AG was signed for nothing more than depth and a AAA insurance policy for defense if EC gets hurt.  If he plays a significant amount there is something terribly wrong...IIRC he can play defense and will not embarrass himself at the plate in limited action...no problem.  Poor man's Cedeno...wow, that's a pretty poor man!

 

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Posted: 12/10/2013 7:17 PM

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Get a LHRP to go along with Erlin (I think he starts the season there). Short man needed. Thornton please...

 

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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:59 PM

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I would say a few more wins than losses. Seriously, I still don't know if our starting pitching is trustworthy for 2014. I'll find out for sure though.
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