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Pads linked to David Price

Posted: 12/07/2013 8:38 PM

Pads linked to David Price 


Why not? After all these years of misery, why not? Headley and Josh Byrnes for Price.
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Posted: 12/08/2013 5:29 AM

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I know this was tongue in cheek.......but the Rays have Longoria at 3B.
Trading for Price couldn't possibly happen because our owners are cheap and don't want to win.
This is just another idea floated out there so that when it doesn't happen we can say that ownership isn't trying.



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Posted: 12/08/2013 1:13 PM

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claykirby1969 wrote: Why not? After all these years of misery, why not? Headley and Josh Byrnes for Price.
You must be Gregersons brother.  Byrnes has done a very good job in his short time here.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 4:10 AM

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tmshrout wrote:
claykirby1969 wrote: Why not? After all these years of misery, why not? Headley and Josh Byrnes for Price.
You must be Gregersons brother.  Byrnes has done a very good job in his short time here.
He's done great but he did trade Latos.  And he let Towers have Stites in the Kennedy trade.  A Street, Smith, Quackenbush, Stites, Boxberger, Vincent bullpen could have been best in the league.  I'm bullish on the bullpen and it's future outlook.  Numerous options throughout the organization on the pitching side should produce.  We could trade some depth for David Price?  A's trade Anderson in his 8 million contract + 1.5 million buy out or additional year at 12 million + 2 million for Pormeraz who was getting lit up in Colorado throwing 88 mph fastballs and a prospect in A ball.  A's said it was important getting pre arb players and the Padres have a lot of prospects that fit that build if they choose to make a push for an Ace like Price.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:55 AM

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YeahYouKnowIt wrote:
tmshrout wrote:
claykirby1969 wrote: Why not? After all these years of misery, why not? Headley and Josh Byrnes for Price.
You must be Gregersons brother.  Byrnes has done a very good job in his short time here.
He's done great but he did trade Latos.  And he let Towers have Stites in the Kennedy trade.  A Street, Smith, Quackenbush, Stites, Boxberger, Vincent bullpen could have been best in the league.  I'm bullish on the bullpen and it's future outlook.  Numerous options throughout the organization on the pitching side should produce.  We could trade some depth for David Price?  A's trade Anderson in his 8 million contract + 1.5 million buy out or additional year at 12 million + 2 million for Pormeraz who was getting lit up in Colorado throwing 88 mph fastballs and a prospect in A ball.  A's said it was important getting pre arb players and the Padres have a lot of prospects that fit that build if they choose to make a push for an Ace like Price.
You're assuming we ill not get much production from Grandal and Alonso and Boxberger?
I for one have not given up on Grandal and have gone on record saying Alonso has his "break out" season in 14'.
I'm not predicting All-Star at 1B....but I could see 25 100 from Alonso with a "bunch" of doubles.
I think you're judging the Latos deal one year too early.
Also because of the injuries we had to our rotation last year.
If Luebke,Kelly,and Wieland don't get hurt.....our rotation would have been much better and we would have missed Latos at least a little less.
Hard to predict those kinds of injuries when discussing a major trade.



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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:41 AM

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Not sure why so many people are down on alonso either. Everyone gets so caught up on 20+HR from a 1B. stick Alonso, who is a great contact hitter and will drive the ball into the gaps, in the two hole behind Cabrera and in front of Headley. This will mean Cabrera will either score or at least move into scoring position most of the time he is on base and watch Headley/Gyorko/Quentin put up monster RBI numbers. It is a recipe for disaster for opposing teams in the first inning
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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:57 AM

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YeahYouKnowIt wrote:
tmshrout wrote:
claykirby1969 wrote: Why not? After all these years of misery, why not? Headley and Josh Byrnes for Price.
You must be Gregersons brother.  Byrnes has done a very good job in his short time here.
He's done great but he did trade Latos.  And he let Towers have Stites in the Kennedy trade.  A Street, Smith, Quackenbush, Stites, Boxberger, Vincent bullpen could have been best in the league.  I'm bullish on the bullpen and it's future outlook.  Numerous options throughout the organization on the pitching side should produce.  We could trade some depth for David Price?  A's trade Anderson in his 8 million contract + 1.5 million buy out or additional year at 12 million + 2 million for Pormeraz who was getting lit up in Colorado throwing 88 mph fastballs and a prospect in A ball.  A's said it was important getting pre arb players and the Padres have a lot of prospects that fit that build if they choose to make a push for an Ace like Price.
Oh no, Byrnes let Towers "have" a bullpen arm and all he got back was a good starting pitcher.

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Posted: 12/11/2013 9:00 AM

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Moldenke wrote:
YeahYouKnowIt wrote:
...he let Towers have Stites in the Kennedy trade.  
Oh no, Byrnes let Towers "have" a bullpen prospect and all he got back was a good, established Major League starting pitcher.

Fixed it for you.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:08 AM

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YeahYouKnowIt wrote: 
 A Street, Smith, Quackenbush, Stites, Boxberger, Vincent bullpen could have been best in the league.  

Don't forget Campos.  He may not be too far away; he absolutely dominated AA hitters in '13:
30.2 IP, 43 K, 14 H, 16 BB, 5 R, 3 ER, 0.88 ERA, 0.99 WHIP.

The walks are a little high, but damn. 
And apparently it's not all fastball.  Randy Smith says he has a "wipeout slider."
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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:31 AM

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Is there any chance Sampson can be a good reliever? What are his best pitches? Is it lousy command kills him in triple AAA? Why can't he get those guys out exactly? Does he not have good enough breaking stuff? Guessing the fastball is his best pitch.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:42 AM

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ChargersWinII wrote: Is there any chance Sampson can be a good reliever? What are his best pitches? Is it lousy command kills him in triple AAA? Why can't he get those guys out exactly? Does he not have good enough breaking stuff? Guessing the fastball is his best pitch.
He was always a FB/CB/CH guy.  He added a slider in 2013 and that accounted for his better success against higher level competition. 

The complaint against his curve was that he needed to add velocity to it while maintaining the break.  I can't really speak to whether or not he's addressed that or if adding the slider offset that. 

I definitely think he's got the stuff to be a starter.  Command is the biggest question.

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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:42 AM

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ChargersWinII wrote: Is there any chance Sampson can be a good reliever? What are his best pitches? Is it lousy command kills him in triple AAA? Why can't he get those guys out exactly? Does he not have good enough breaking stuff? Guessing the fastball is his best pitch.

I know Sampson developed an effective slider this year, which was apparently a big part of his success at AA.  (Link)

He pitched out of the 'pen in the AFL this fall, and pitched pretty well.
2013 AFL Stats: 7 G (1 GS), 11.1 IP, 8 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 10 K, 0.79 ERA, 1.17 WHIP

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Posted: 12/11/2013 11:00 AM

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Heard a rumor a couple of weeks ago (no idea where) that the Padres will (or are considering) moving Sampson to the pen for next season. Some of the scouting over the years has suggested that might be his best destination. Makes some sense if all the current SP options are healthy in ML/AAA someone has to go to the pen … might as well be someone that could help in the ML in 2014.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:45 PM

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tmshrout wrote:
claykirby1969 wrote: Why not? After all these years of misery, why not? Headley and Josh Byrnes for Price.
You must be Gregersons brother.  Byrnes has done a very good job in his short time here.

Other than the no trade clause to Quentin and the extension to Maybin, which has hamstrung our whole outfield situation.

Oh, and making no changes to a 76-86 team that finished the next season...wait for it...76-86.

But I'm 'sure' everyone will be healthy this year.

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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:52 PM

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Informative Sampson posts, guys. Appreciate it.

Sounds like he needs to keep working on his newly found slider (get better command of it like Moldy was sayin) to be a successful starting pitcher. Maybe that's the difference between double AA and triple AAA hitters...the latter know Sampson has command issues with his slider so they lay off and wait for his fastball? Not sure where the curve enters the picture.

EDIT: Or maybe he's not very deceptive on his change up and he's getting killed with that pitch? Or maybe the curve isn't fast enough like Moldy said. Or all of those?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:01 PM

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UncleBolt wrote:
tmshrout wrote:
Byrnes has done a very good job in his short time here.

Other than the no trade clause to Quentin and the extension to Maybin, which has hamstrung our whole outfield situation.

Oh, and making no changes to a 76-86 team that finished the next season...wait for it...76-86.

But I'm 'sure' everyone will be healthy this year.

Look at the 2011 roster, which is what Byrnes inherited. 
(Guys like Orlando Hudson, Jason Bartlett, Brad Hawpe, Ryan Ludwick, Alberto Gonzalez, and Andy Parrino were on the 25-man, and most of them were playing every day.)


Now look at today's roster.


You don't think he's improved the roster, significantly?

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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:20 PM

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I do think he has improved the roster, Significantly? No.

Gyroko was already in the system, and he is the biggest "addition".  Headley, Venable, and Cabrera were already here and Byrnes benefited from their breakout seasons.

Quentin is a good addition to the team half the time, and a huge liability to the team half the time.  So that is a wash.  And the no trade clause was stupid, by someone unversed in the curse of the San Diego no trade clause.

Maybin and Hundley were here.  The extensions were cheap.  I see why they were given and hindsight is 20/20 but it looks like Maybin's was a mistake.

Are Rizzo/Latos better than Alonso/Cashner/Grandal (I don't care about Boxberger because apparently Byrnes doesn't care about bullpens) and Volquez is a negative WAR guy.  Maybe?  Possibly?  As of today 12/11/2013 that looks like a wash.

Huston Street?  He has improved the club.
Tyson Ross?  Looks like a steal.
Eric Stults?  Looks like a steal.
Ian Kennedy?  Looks like a good deal, but I am not sold on Kennedy as anything more than a #4/#5 at this point in his career.
Johnson and Smith?  We will have to wait and see.

So overall, I would say that Byrnes has improved the roster marginally.  He has improved the pitching much more than the offense.  He improved a 71-91 team by 5 wins to 76-86.  Then he sat on his hands with his fingers crossed and maintained an inadequate 76-86 record.  This off-season he has done nothing earth shattering.

I would give him a C at this point, and that is objectively speaking.  Subjectively I would give him a D.

 

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Last edited 12/11/2013 1:21 PM by UncleBolt

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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:23 PM

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USMC53 wrote:
UncleBolt wrote:
tmshrout wrote:
Byrnes has done a very good job in his short time here.

Other than the no trade clause to Quentin and the extension to Maybin, which has hamstrung our whole outfield situation.

Oh, and making no changes to a 76-86 team that finished the next season...wait for it...76-86.

But I'm 'sure' everyone will be healthy this year.

Look at the 2011 roster, which is what Byrnes inherited. 
(Guys like Orlando Hudson, Jason Bartlett, Brad Hawpe, Ryan Ludwick, Alberto Gonzalez, and Andy Parrino were on the 25-man, and most of them were playing every day.)


Now look at today's roster.


You don't think he's improved the roster, significantly?

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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:50 PM

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"+1" (sigh)

"...Now to you Bill Plaschke from the LA Times.  Respond to Woody's take that Byrnes is nothing to write home about...."


Or

"...Have a take and don't suck..."

Or

"...From Baja to the Canadian Rockies, I want to talk sports with you..."

Or

"...Paul from Des Moines, you're on the line, SHOOT IT...."

So tired of tired cliches lifted from the talking heads, or voices, but "it is what it is"...


GOOD NIGHT NOW!!!

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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:54 PM

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ChargersWinII wrote: Informative Sampson posts, guys. Appreciate it.

Sounds like he needs to keep working on his newly found slider (get better command of it like Moldy was sayin) to be a successful starting pitcher. Maybe that's the difference between double AA and triple AAA hitters...the latter know Sampson has command issues with his slider so they lay off and wait for his fastball? Not sure where the curve enters the picture.

EDIT: Or maybe he's not very deceptive on his change up and he's getting killed with that pitch? Or maybe the curve isn't fast enough like Moldy said. Or all of those?
Take this for what it's worth....but I asked Sampson "specifically" if his new found success was due to the slider......and he said no.
He said it was a different attitude......plain and simple.
I don't know what that means exactly....but I promise that's what he said.
Not sure why he would say that if it was the slider.....?



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