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Top ten Free Agents from MLB Traderumors

Posted: 10/03/2013 5:29 PM

Top ten Free Agents from MLB Traderumors 


AKA the list in the Padre front office with a line through every name. 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...r-rankings.html
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Posted: 10/03/2013 6:04 PM

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As well they should.  Besides Cano and Ellsbury, who would you really want to pay market rate for?  Even if the Pads were to want to pay AAS for them, would you really want to commit the years necessary to either? 

"Top tier" FA are a waste of money in this day and age IMO.

Maybe I've missed something.  Seriously, I could be way off.  Help me understand who would be worth it from a "small market" standpoint?
Prospect I'm Championing 2014: Jonathan Galvez (last year K Sampson)
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Posted: 10/04/2013 3:51 AM

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As well they should.  Besides Cano and Ellsbury, who would you really want to pay market rate for?  Even if the Pads were to want to pay AAS for them, would you really want to commit the years necessary to either? 

"Top tier" FA are a waste of money in this day and age IMO.

Maybe I've missed something.  Seriously, I could be way off.  Help me understand who would be worth it from a "small market" standpoint?

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Anyone who is an upgrade to what we have,if they are willing to play on a 1-2 year deal.
Prospect I'm Championing.........Jordan Paroubeck
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Posted: 10/04/2013 4:19 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:

As well they should.  Besides Cano and Ellsbury, who would you really want to pay market rate for?  Even if the Pads were to want to pay AAS for them, would you really want to commit the years necessary to either? 

"Top tier" FA are a waste of money in this day and age IMO.

Maybe I've missed something.  Seriously, I could be way off.  Help me understand who would be worth it from a "small market" standpoint?

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Anyone who is an upgrade to what we have,if they are willing to play on a 1-2 year deal.
Which guys on the MLBTR list do you think would be an upgrade over what they have and (the real sticking point) are willing to play on a one or two year deal? 

Kuroda?  But if he wants to come back for a couple more years I gotta think the Yanks will outbid SD for his services by a wide margin.
Prospect I'm Championing 2014: Jonathan Galvez (last year K Sampson)
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Posted: 10/04/2013 4:35 PM

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--- Commie wrote:


MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:

As well they should.  Besides Cano and Ellsbury, who would you really want to pay market rate for?  Even if the Pads were to want to pay AAS for them, would you really want to commit the years necessary to either? 

"Top tier" FA are a waste of money in this day and age IMO.

Maybe I've missed something.  Seriously, I could be way off.  Help me understand who would be worth it from a "small market" standpoint?

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Anyone who is an upgrade to what we have,if they are willing to play on a 1-2 year deal.
Which guys on the MLBTR list do you think would be an upgrade over what they have and (the real sticking point) are willing to play on a one or two year deal? 

Kuroda?  But if he wants to come back for a couple more years I gotta think the Yanks will outbid SD for his services by a wide margin.

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I was speaking rhetorically.
I dont know that anyone is worth it or willing too.
But those type players are who we are limited too.
Which is why we always wait until the top 20-25 free agents are signed......then we "swoop" in and nab him!
Kuroda is indeed the "type" of player we could sign......and then hope he doesn't hit "the wall"!
Prospect I'm Championing.........Jordan Paroubeck
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Posted: 10/04/2013 4:44 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:


MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:

As well they should.  Besides Cano and Ellsbury, who would you really want to pay market rate for?  Even if the Pads were to want to pay AAS for them, would you really want to commit the years necessary to either? 

"Top tier" FA are a waste of money in this day and age IMO.

Maybe I've missed something.  Seriously, I could be way off.  Help me understand who would be worth it from a "small market" standpoint?

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Anyone who is an upgrade to what we have,if they are willing to play on a 1-2 year deal.
Which guys on the MLBTR list do you think would be an upgrade over what they have and (the real sticking point) are willing to play on a one or two year deal? 

Kuroda?  But if he wants to come back for a couple more years I gotta think the Yanks will outbid SD for his services by a wide margin.

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I was speaking rhetorically.
I dont know that anyone is worth it or willing too.
But those type players are who we are limited too.
Which is why we always wait until the top 20-25 free agents are signed......then we "swoop" in and nab him!
Kuroda is indeed the "type" of player we could sign......and then hope he doesn't hit "the wall"!
Maybe the thought should be .... if we can sign them, we shouldn't sign them.  The ones that will sign for 1-2 years most likely come with a huge "caution" sign. Of course that could be said for almost all the FA but the short signings might just have a bigger "caution" or just are not that good.

The route may be via trade ... give up a little (really not that much to give for a top player) ... pick-up a contract that someone might want to move (apparently they now have some payroll room).  Can't think of anyone though.
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Posted: 10/04/2013 5:19 PM

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--- FENN68 wrote:


MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:


MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:

As well they should.  Besides Cano and Ellsbury, who would you really want to pay market rate for?  Even if the Pads were to want to pay AAS for them, would you really want to commit the years necessary to either? 

"Top tier" FA are a waste of money in this day and age IMO.

Maybe I've missed something.  Seriously, I could be way off.  Help me understand who would be worth it from a "small market" standpoint?

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Anyone who is an upgrade to what we have,if they are willing to play on a 1-2 year deal.
Which guys on the MLBTR list do you think would be an upgrade over what they have and (the real sticking point) are willing to play on a one or two year deal? 

Kuroda?  But if he wants to come back for a couple more years I gotta think the Yanks will outbid SD for his services by a wide margin.

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I was speaking rhetorically.
I dont know that anyone is worth it or willing too.
But those type players are who we are limited too.
Which is why we always wait until the top 20-25 free agents are signed......then we "swoop" in and nab him!
Kuroda is indeed the "type" of player we could sign......and then hope he doesn't hit "the wall"!
Maybe the thought should be .... if we can sign them, we shouldn't sign them.  The ones that will sign for 1-2 years most likely come with a huge "caution" sign. Of course that could be said for almost all the FA but the short signings might just have a bigger "caution" or just are not that good.

The route may be via trade ... give up a little (really not that much to give for a top player) ... pick-up a contract that someone might want to move (apparently they now have some payroll room).  Can't think of anyone though.

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Like Woody Allen?
We don't want any player that would be willing to play for what we are able to offer!
Prospect I'm Championing.........Jordan Paroubeck
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Posted: 10/04/2013 5:23 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- FENN68 wrote:


MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:


MrPadre19 wrote:

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--- Commie wrote:

As well they should.  Besides Cano and Ellsbury, who would you really want to pay market rate for?  Even if the Pads were to want to pay AAS for them, would you really want to commit the years necessary to either? 

"Top tier" FA are a waste of money in this day and age IMO.

Maybe I've missed something.  Seriously, I could be way off.  Help me understand who would be worth it from a "small market" standpoint?

---------------------------------------------

Anyone who is an upgrade to what we have,if they are willing to play on a 1-2 year deal.
Which guys on the MLBTR list do you think would be an upgrade over what they have and (the real sticking point) are willing to play on a one or two year deal? 

Kuroda?  But if he wants to come back for a couple more years I gotta think the Yanks will outbid SD for his services by a wide margin.

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I was speaking rhetorically.
I dont know that anyone is worth it or willing too.
But those type players are who we are limited too.
Which is why we always wait until the top 20-25 free agents are signed......then we "swoop" in and nab him!
Kuroda is indeed the "type" of player we could sign......and then hope he doesn't hit "the wall"!
Maybe the thought should be .... if we can sign them, we shouldn't sign them.  The ones that will sign for 1-2 years most likely come with a huge "caution" sign. Of course that could be said for almost all the FA but the short signings might just have a bigger "caution" or just are not that good.

The route may be via trade ... give up a little (really not that much to give for a top player) ... pick-up a contract that someone might want to move (apparently they now have some payroll room).  Can't think of anyone though.

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Like Woody Allen?
We don't want any player that would be willing to play for what we are able to offer!
Or even further back ...a variation of Grocho Marx's "I would never marry a woman who would have me as a husband"
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Posted: 10/05/2013 5:04 AM

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Spending big money are free agents does not bring championships. Just ask the Cubs former GM Jim Hendrey. During his reign the Cubs gave him carte blance on free agent signings. He did just that

Koske Fukedome
Milton Bradley
Alfonso Soriano
Carlos Zambrano got a huge extension under his reign.

The Cubs made the playoffs but never won the the world series. As a Cub fan I was really excited about his moves. Only to be dissappointed again and again.
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Posted: 10/05/2013 7:20 AM

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If I am the Padres FO, I would have to first to convince myself that the core of the current roster can put the Padres at the doorstep of the playoffs and then be convinced that any MAJOR FA signing (or trade pick-up) will be that last piece to put them in legit contention.  Just adding an expensive player to be a better non-contender does not seem to be the best business decision. My guess is that they will think they can contend (with health and some luck) and make a move (or two). Maybe they can't catch the LAD but the wild card is possible ... and, once in the playoffs, it is just a matter of who is hot. I can see Pitt being a one year wonder, Cinn having issues without Choo / Arroyo / Baker.

I don't see any of the FA on the market that ... for the Padres ... warrant a long term deal for big money. So I do agree with the idea of cherry picking those FA that will sign short term ... if they really fit a need ... and are still performing (and can be expected to perform) at a high level. Maybe pay high to keep the contract short.

Three target areas: SP, RP, CF ... have to gamble that all the other positions will be covered by players that will bounce back. They will maybe add one or two key players ... can't replace everyone so fill the perceived biggest holes.

1. Kuroda ... the MLBTradeRumors suggested he may sign a one year deal for about $16MM and Byrnes liked him. $16MM is pretty steep for one pitcher ... and might exhaust the payroll for any other key adds.  He would like to stay a NYY (took less last season to sign) BUT with the retirements, key FA loss potential, ARod situation, iffy returns from injury (Jeter / Teixiera), and the potential departure of Girardi .... the NYY might not want to go the short term route and use that money as the front end of a long term deal with a player that will be around for some time. At that price .... LAD / LAA battle to sign him.

2. Josh Johnson ... speculation is that he would go for a one year deal (low base / big incentives on innings pitched). Needs to rebuild confidence in the market place on his health and since he is only 30 he would hit FA again at 31 ... young enough to command a major long term deal IF he proves he can come back. PETCO and the NL West would be a great place for a pitcher to rebuild his stats and remember his success was in the NL. This may be one to watch.

3. Carlos Beltran ... might get a qualifying offer which takes him out of Padre consideration (will not give up their #1 pick) ... could get a 2 year deal in the $13-14MM per year range (about what he gets now). The thought would be an added middle of the order bat ... RF sliding Venable to  CF ... freeing up Maybin / Denorfia to cover Quentin down time. Concern about age leading to declining skills. Apparently only wants to play two more years and does not want to DH which helps the NL teams cases. KC is rumored to be interested and I would guess Cleveland might get into the mix. Somewhat of a long shot for the Padres.

Beyond that, not sure what is a real improvement on a short team deal.  Maybe think trade options.

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Posted: 10/05/2013 8:10 AM

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Spending big money are free agents does not bring championships. Just ask the Cubs former GM Jim Hendrey. During his reign the Cubs gave him carte blance on free agent signings. He did just that

Koske Fukedome
Milton Bradley
Alfonso Soriano
Carlos Zambrano got a huge extension under his reign.

The Cubs made the playoffs but never won the the world series. As a Cub fan I was really excited about his moves. Only to be dissappointed again and again.

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You still have to spend it wisely.
You do not "have" to spend $200 mil,but there is no disputing that better players cost more money.
It's just better to "develop" them,therefore benefiting from their inexpensive years.

One of the benefits from having an improved Farm system is that you have cheap players at several positions,enabling even a smaller market team to be able to fill just a couple spots with free agents.
There just have to be the right players,at the right positions,available at the right time,willing to sign for the right price,for the right number of years,good enough to improve the team over the guys we already have.
Obviously doesn't happen very often.
Prospect I'm Championing.........Jordan Paroubeck
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Posted: 10/05/2013 8:53 AM

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I haven't really done any research on this, but it seems to me hardly any of them want to sign a one  or two year deal. They all want three to five year deals. Does anyone have any stats on the length of the free agent contracts signed last offseason?
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Posted: 10/05/2013 9:17 AM

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hoffy51 wrote: I haven't really done any research on this, but it seems to me hardly any of them want to sign a one  or two year deal. They all want three to five year deals. Does anyone have any stats on the length of the free agent contracts signed last offseason?
3 - 5 years for a top FA not encumbered by injury concerns or age seems to be the norm. However, there we a slew of name FA that signed 1 -2 year deals ... can question if they are that good anymore but some were very serviceable for their teams ... basically the right fit and a last hurrah.

1 year deals went to: Napoli; Pierzynski; Drew; Kuroda; Haren;
2 year deals went to: Ortiz; Hunter; Ludwick; LaRoache; Peavy; McCarthy; Dempster; Blanton;

There were a lot more of lesser talent .... all came with some risk and cost ... some were good and others not so much.
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Posted: 10/05/2013 9:47 AM

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Josh Johnson on a 1/10 deal would be worth exploring.  That's assuming that TOR doesn't give him a qualifying offer.

Cashner/Johnson/Ross/Kennedy is a totally solid front 4, and there are so many options for the 5th spot.  I'd try to find a taker for Stults in that situation.

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