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Fantasy Baseball Question

Posted: 02/08/2013 11:10 PM

Fantasy Baseball Question 


Hey all,

I was wondering if there is usually a (money) fantasy baseball league formed by any of us in here? I just noticed ESPN activated their leagues and wondering who, if any, would be interested in joining one or knows someone who sets one up for people to join in?

Thanks.
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Posted: 02/09/2013 9:26 AM

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I don't know about a money one, but there is usually a free Yahoo one that goes on.  I hope it happens again this year....looking forward to it.

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Posted: 02/09/2013 4:18 PM

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Me too!
I'm sure Dre will set it up probably some time in March?



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Posted: 02/14/2013 10:51 AM

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I have reregistered the league for the 2013 season, hopefully everyone from last year should receive an email notification about it.  If you didn't play last year but would like to sign up for this season, send me an email through PM and I will invite you to the league.

The pw is "gwynn19" if it asks you for one when registering your team.

Some changes to the scoring categories this year, much the same approach for the overall categories, just trying to condense the sheer number of categories that we score for (don't worry, it's still large with 12 for offense, and 12 for pitching...and includes some "negative" categories).  Make sure you understand the categories and roster sizes before the draft.

Also, after the problems that came up last year at the end of the season, I've changed the acquisition system now so that there is a weekly limit on the number of players acquired instead of a max for the entire season.  It's at 3/week now, but I might knock it down to 2 in the next few weeks, just wanted to get the league going today.  This limit should still prevent pitcher streaming and make you really prioritize your pickups, while making sure to keep everyone active through the season.

Love it, hate it, whatever, post on the league msg board and I will do everything I can as Commish to completely ignore any and all requests to change it biggrin

edit: oh, and the draft date is set for Sat. March 30 at 2pm Pacific time for now, but we can change that depending on people's availability.
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Last edited 02/14/2013 10:53 AM by Dre1023

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Posted: 02/14/2013 1:24 PM

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I hope we have more who want to play.
IMO the more the better.
I prefer to have to scour the league in search of players who may contribute.
Also,rookie call ups come in to play.
I have stopped playing in the leagues that have an all-star at every position.



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Posted: 02/14/2013 4:38 PM

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Nice...date and time works for me :)

"Watch your step, I'm bleedin blue!"


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Posted: 02/15/2013 1:29 PM

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Time and date is great for me too. It's much appreciated.

I know that being in Europe causes problems with finding a good time for the draft.  Thanks

To quote Bart Scott: 'Can't Wait'
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Posted: 02/18/2013 1:34 PM

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Date and Time is OK with me also.
But we NEED MORE TEAMS!

Come on guys......if you've never tried ,now is the time.
No one here cares if you're an expert or not.....its fun.
I find it keeps me much more interested in baseball in general.
I care what happens when the Rangers play the Mariners for instance.

Sign up....the more teams the better IMO.



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Posted: 02/18/2013 8:13 PM

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I love fantasy baseball. What are the settings?

Also is it on Yahoo?
En boca cerrada no entran moscas.

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Posted: 02/19/2013 12:00 PM

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DaveyPinstripes wrote: I love fantasy baseball. What are the settings?

Also is it on Yahoo?
Yes....Yahoo.
Dre...can you send Davey an invite?
I like that Dre has many scoring categories set up instead of just the standard 5x5 roto categories.

Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Strikeouts (K), Ground Into Double Play (GIDP), Total Bases (TB), Errors (E), Batting Average (AVG), On-base Percentage (OBP), Slugging Percentage (SLG), Extra Base Hits (XBH), Net Stolen Bases (NSB)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Losses (L), Home Runs (HR), Walks (BB), Strikeouts (K), Stolen Bases Allowed (SB), Batters Grounded Into Double Plays (GIDP), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP), Strikeouts per Nine Innings (K/9), Quality Starts (QS), Net Saves and Holds (NSVH)

Here ya go.....



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Posted: 02/19/2013 12:13 PM

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We're up to 8 teams now...still plenty of room!
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Posted: 02/19/2013 6:29 PM

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Those scoring categories are nuts lol. Slug, Xtra base knocks, and total bases? Measuring the same thing pretty much.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 10:59 AM

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Ha, yeah there are some redundancies...we used to count doubles and triples separately too, but I'm trying to trim things a little bit at a time.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 8:01 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: I hope we have more who want to play.
IMO the more the better.
I prefer to have to scour the league in search of players who may contribute.
Also,rookie call ups come in to play.
I have stopped playing in the leagues that have an all-star at every position.

Well....I joined a public league on Yahoo.....should be fun!  Let's see..
I got AGON at first, Headley at Third, JJ Hardy at short, Scaturo at 2nd, Braun, Bautista and Brett Gardner in the outfield, Jesus Montero, Justin Verlander, Shaun Marcum, Andy Pettite, Phil Hughes, Luke Gregerson, Andrew Cashner, Joba Chamberlain,Jason Grilli,  Profar and Keppinger Utility,  Bench - Starling Marte, Carolos Quention, Eduardo Nunez, Mark Reynolds and Yasmani Grandal.    This was my very first time at Fantasy Baseball.  I spent a lot up front and had only a little at the end to fill out the roster.  This is gonna be fun!

 

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Posted: 02/28/2013 1:56 AM

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Dre1023 wrote: 
Also, after the problems that came up last year at the end of the season, I've changed the acquisition system now so that there is a weekly limit on the number of players acquired instead of a max for the entire season.  It's at 3/week now, but I might knock it down to 2 in the next few weeks, just wanted to get the league going today.  This limit should still prevent pitcher streaming and make you really prioritize your pickups, while making sure to keep everyone active through the season.  
[NOTE: ALL OF THE BELOW ARE JUST MY OPINIONS, NOT FACTS]


3 per week is still on the low side, in my opinion.  Most/many leagues have them at 5/week.


In theory, it sounds like the whole pitcher streaming thing is a legit concern. 

But in practice, there just aren't enough actual pitchers worth dropping/adding, and using up 5/week just to try to win the volume stats (Ks, Ws, SVs) by streaming 5 for 5 is not a fool-proof strategy -- it's a proof of a fool. 

Not only are you not guaranteed winning those cats anyway, but you'll likely lose the negative categories, and more importantly, it's a lose-lose situation in terms of the long run: either the streaming team has struck gold one week and wants to keep his emerging stars (in which case he'll stop streaming players) or his pitching staff is terrible that he'll have to keep streaming the 5 for 5.

So, that's why I don't think it's a huge concern that teams would abuse the league by having a floating/rotating pitching staff.  In our league, there's simply not enough depth of available players to do that. 

In our league, it's hard enough to find 5 starting pitchers worth starting -- who's going to drop 5 of those guys to grab 5 fringe starters just to have a chance at winning 3 categories?

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Here's why I think we should have more than 3/week:

7 days is a looooong time to use 3 transactions.  With injuries/demotions/call-ups/temporary benchings/etc., 3 transactions get burned easily every week, without even a hint or inclination toward foul play. 

ESPECIALLY with the size and depth of our league, limiting teams to 3 moves/week makes the league more dependent on gambling luck (lucky draft, lucky pick-ups) than on shrewd moves.  Maybe if it were a 10-team league with a shallow roster, it would make more sense.  But with such deep starting lineups, (not just deep rosters), it requires constant changing. 

With like 15 offensive starters and 11 starting pitchers on a daily basis, we're talking about close to 105 offensive start decisions per week, and 77 pitching starts per week, and that's without addressing the bench/depth.  That's a lot of starts.  More importantly, that's a lot of opportunities for guys to get hurt/benched/demoted/etc. 

You have to hope that 105 out of your 105 starts EVERY WEEK work out, because injuries/benching/demotions will really kill a team.  Say you've burned your 3 moves on replacing 3 guys and it's Tuesday, but now you need a 5th OF to replace another injured player; you'll have to sit through about 4-5 starts of either an absent player or a niche player (Juan Pierre) until the following Monday. 


It's so close to impossible to draft a team good AND deep enough to sustain the long season and not require line-up changes beyond 3/week.


By the 15th round, we're drafting guys who might not even make the big league club, let alone make a fantasy impact.  Having only 3 moves/week makes it make/break for you to drop/add guys, since you'll have at most about 25-30 moves to correct your lineup and roster before the all-star break, and that's with the additional cap that you can't make 4 moves in a week. 

I'd say that nearly all teams (in this league especially) have to make about 20-30 moves by the All-Star break not merely to stay competitive, but to have a minimally-working team.  By the draft's end, each team will probably already have 8-10 guys they're thinking of dropping.  Then, throughout the season, with our deep rosters, there are probably going to be 4-6 guys who just get demoted/benched/released, and another 4-6 guys who get injured, etc. 


In my opinion, it's better to have a limit that's a bit on the "high" side than have a limit on the "low" side.  You can always have the safety net of the high volume of transactions, but if you set it on the low side, it could be disastrous without any Plan B.

Look at what happened last season.  Most teams were burned out with 5-6 weeks left in the regular season.  And with the exception of one team, ALL OF THE PLAYOFF TEAMS were ranked in the top 6 in transactions-made.   But most of us playoff teams had to sit on our hands and just let the season play out, without much or any ability to make any moves.

The league was really competitive and trying to one-up others with shrewd moves.  It was fun, we were all wheelin' and dealin' and it got really competitive.  Teams were making add/drops while simultaneously working on trades contingent on those pick-ups.

That's what Fantasy Baseball should be like, in my opinion.

But if you cap it at 3 moves/week, it's going to be a very low-activity season, especially with such deep rosters.  Some teams might literally be close to un-fixable by June/July (you lose 2-3 offensive starters, 2-3 pitchers and it'll take you literally weeks to fill the holes).   And if you lose a star, but have used up 3 moves, you'll have to wait a week before you can fill it with a AAAA player. 



What's IRONIC is that I was going to push for 6-7 moves/week BEFORE Dre announced the 3/week rule


Our league is special.  It's unorthodox.  It's uncommonly large, both in terms of number of starters and number of roster spots.  If anything, that means the league should have a higher number of allowable moves/week than the average league, not a lower number.  



So I beg, plead, I'm on my knees - please, please consider the consequences of a 3 move/week cap. 

I say this in all maturity and seriousness (and not as any sort of threat) -- the danger of that rule is that the league my actually be a ghost town by July, just because most of us will have rosters that will take weeks or months to fix (not even talking about upgrade) to an acceptable level. 


Remember how inactive the league  was close to playoff time? 

That's what the league might be like for most of the season if teams are capped at 3 moves per week.




At the very least, I suggest a 5 move/week cap.  Ideally, I'd suggest a 6 or 7 move/week cap.


Seriously, what's the worst that can happen by having a 5-6 move/week cap? 

A team or two may try to have a 10-man floating starting rotation with add/dropping guys, but by week 3 end up with Doug Fister as his ace.

Now, what's the worst that can happen by having a 3 move/week cap?


Teams are stuck trying to fix their team one week at a time, 3 moves per week, and finally become competitive by the end of the summer.  If a team suffers 4-5 injuries in a month, that team basically has zero chance of improving his team through free agency, since he'll be spending at least half his month's moves simply replacing injured players, while other lucky teams (i.e., injury free teams) capitalize on picking 2013 Mike Trout with one of their 3 moves. 



Like I said, our size of our league means that we have 105 offensive starts per week, and 77 pitching starts per week.  Over a month, that's literally 400+ offensive starts and 300 pitching starts -- but you only have 12 transactions to ensure that your team manages to fill all the starts.  We're not even talking about staying competitive -- we're talking about having enough moves to patch together a team that can fill out all its starts.


So, please, pretty please, just re-consider the 3 move/week cap before doing anything too drastic.  In my humble opinion, there's a serious risk of having a "ghost town league" by July.   (like I said, it was pretty quiet in the one month before playoffs, when all the playoff teams had burned 99% of their moves).
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Posted: 02/28/2013 2:01 AM

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Oh, and my above post DOESNT even consider the fact that there are 24 total fantasy categories.

With so many categories, there are so many different types of options (free agents) to pick up to build a team;  it's not like you can use a move to pick up a guy who can fill 11 out of the 12 categories.

You'll likely have to build a team with guys who are good a 4-5 of these categories, with guys who are good at 5-6 of these other categories, etc.  

Having only 3 moves/week, there's just absolutely no way to even come close to a competitive 12x12 team. 
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Posted: 02/28/2013 3:59 AM

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I still feel the max moves are fine at 60 for the season.
Like I said last year,sometimes you have to just say No!
Don't make a short term move just to make it.
If you go back and look at all the moves you made last year I bet you could find 10-20,easily,that it turned out you could have done without.
Actually,you will probably find at least 10 you "wish you didn't make".
Just as with "real" baseball,you don't just dump a guy you drafted because he's in a slump.
Playing streaks is a dangerous game.
Again,I am not saying its the same for everyone,but I have NEVER used the max moves in any league and always do just fine.
This is because I stay aware of the max moves and purposely "don't" make some so I have some left for when rosters expand/Playoffs.
Resist.....don't persist.

Dre,just for the record,my vote is for a season max with two added DL spots so you can keep a guy who gets hurt instead of having to use up roster moves.
Actually,my vote is to leave it the way it was.......but if others insist on needing more than 60 moves AND trades,add the DL spots instead.
I don't like weekly max's because right after the draft sometimes you need more.......and a weekly max limits those who don't make moves for long periods of time.
If I draft well,and don't use moves for two months,I now have ZERO advantage for doing so?

Seriously........Sixty moves.....two added DL spots.



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Posted: 02/28/2013 6:10 AM

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Nicely formed argument blink....but I'd have to agree mostly with MrPadre here...particularly with adding at least 1 more DL spot.

My vote would keep the 3 moves a week

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Posted: 02/28/2013 12:12 PM

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Thanks for the input, Blink. I appreciate the feedback, but I don't really understand why much of your argument is based on what other leagues do when you yourself stated that this is a special/unorthodox league...

I do remember how inactive much of the league was by the end of last season, which is precisely why you are now able to make moves throughout the entire season...I will also probably push back the trade deadline to encourage trades later in the season. There should be no reason why the league would be a "ghost town" if you are able to make pickups every week and make an unlimited number of trades late into the year. I set the trades to be unlimited specifically because I wanted to encourage dialogue between everyone and keep all owners involved in the league. There's an extra BENCH spot this year too - so you should be able to accommodate those occasional days off, benchings/platoon starts, minor strains, temporary days off for babies, random bouts of pink-eye, etc etc, by keeping a positional player (or two) rather than building a massive pitching staff....that's just part of the strategy.

I don't want to make too many radical changes from one season to the next because I want to make sure that each change will not harm the overall enjoyment of the league....this off-season I really wanted to make a priority of tackling some of the redundant/lame scoring categories, so some were consolidated (for instance, SB + CS --> NSB) while others (Pickoffs + grand slams) were removed completely to prevent so many ties each week. That was a big enough change, but I also wanted to be receptive to the idea of changing the free agent pickup system, so it was changed to weekly. I'd like a full season to see how these changes play out, and if we need to adjust the specific number, I'm open to doing that later on.

With the weekly system, you start the season with (I think) 72 available moves - a substantial increase from last season. It's up to you to (A) draft well enough so you don't have a team full of "lottery ticket" prospects that may not see major league action until July, and (B) prioritize those moves, especially early in the year, to field a competitive team until we see how the rosters shake out.
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Posted: 02/28/2013 12:40 PM

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The only reason I don 't like it done weekly is there is no benefit for "not" making moves constantly.
If you go three weeks without making a move while others are taking advantage of the waiver wire.....IMO you should be able to make the same amount of moves at another time.
Basically,someone not playing the rotation shuffle...or getting lucky with injuries,may have the opposite situations later in the year yet they won't have the same amount of moves available to them as were available to their competition earlier in the season?
So just make it 72 moves for the season?........maybe?



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