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The Padres....Lies....and Videotape!

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Posted: 02/07/2013 10:08 AM

The Padres....Lies....and Videotape! 


Apparently this guy has put together a video documentary of all the Padres' past.....and present.....Ownership and their "untruths".
I haven't even watched it yet...but I read this story.
I will comment more after "watching the tape".





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Posted: 02/07/2013 10:12 AM

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Oh...here's a direct link to the video.





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Posted: 02/07/2013 11:29 AM

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Just a couple quick notes as I'm watching...

-The Moorad years were clearly just a big waste of time for this organization. It's good to have some perspective a little ways down the road to see that this was a very futile period.  Some good things happened with player development/drafting, but it came with some poorly executed plans at the big league level.

-I really don't understand being all that upset about the Ludwick and Adams trades.  The Adams trade especially, I would do that trade again, and again, and again.  A marginal team with an elite setup guy is a luxury, and Hoyer did well to leverage that into two very promising starting pitching prospects.  And Adams 2012 just goes to further illustrate the short-life span of relievers these days.  Now, instead of a 32-yo setup guy with a 1.3 WHIP, we've got Erlin and Wieland getting ready to produce at the big league level.

-With Ludwick, I think there's not enough information to condemn what Moorad and Hoyer said about "getting talent back", and not money.  The key information missing is: which Pirates prospects comprised the pool that were agreed upon for the PTBNL?  With the mess that Pittsburgh got itself into with player development recently, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a scenario where these guys looked good mid-season, but when the execution of the trade came, there were some potential injury issues or health concerns that cropped up.  Technically, I guess this was a "lie", but I'm going to speculate and assume that there were extenuating circumstances.

-Criticize the major league payroll all day, that's fine with me, but it's not apples-to-apples when trying to put the draft budget in the same context as what you pay major league players.  And saying that they haven't spent as much as the Pirates isn't at all degrading since the Pirates have spent a lot and have a great system to show for it.  That $8M difference between 2009-2012?  That gap shortens pretty quick if they had gone and signed Karsten Whitson (which is a whole other topic), so the lack of spending in the draft isn't really an accurate criticism, especially when you consider that the Padres have done an excellent job expanding their scouting department, which I'm sure isn't included in those calculations.

Can't say I have any other problems with arguments he comes up with...(1) the payroll situation is a total catastrophe, (2) we have a front office that has absolutely zero credibility in the minds of it's fanbase, and (3) we can't/won't hang on to the cream of the crop players that rise to the top after they come through the system.  If Byrnes, Garfinkle, and Fowler are looking for a silver bullet though, fixing that third thing goes a long way to solving a lot of the other problems the Padres have.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 12:07 PM

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It's a little tick-tacky at times (for example debates over Headley extension and Ludwick trade), but it's hard to argue with the larger message. That's really the value of it IMO. For example, I doubt Padres fans would be angry if Padres traded Chase and then signed a star player in FA. IMO, he should have gone back further and compared Moores payrolls (relative and bottom line) with the Moorad to present versions if he wanted reinforcement. 

Corey Brock comes out looking a little buffoonish. I don't know if its completely fair, but I've never read anything from him (or I can't remember it anyways) in which he's critical of the FO. Maybe someone can fill me in there, but there has been lots of contradiction this offseason between media reports from one week to the next, surprisingly often by the same people.

Just a mess, the video documents a mess pretty well.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 12:08 PM

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I thnk his only point on the Adams and Ludwick trades were that they seemed to direstl;y contradict what they were telling the fans.
Not that the trades were bad,but that it just showed that they were willing to say whatever they thought the fans wanted to hear,instead of what all the possibilities actually were.
Why say they would "definitely be getting talent back" at all?





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Posted: 02/07/2013 12:19 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: I thnk his only point on the Adams and Ludwick trades were that they seemed to direstl;y contradict what they were telling the fans.
Not that the trades were bad,but that it just showed that they were willing to say whatever they thought the fans wanted to hear,instead of what all the possibilities actually were.
Why say they would "definitely be getting talent back" at all?
Fair point.  Parts of the Front Office have been choking on their pennyloafers for half a decade or so.  If your policy is going to be "don't say much", then just shut up.  I liked the last part of the video...let's SEE something, not just HEAR it!
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Posted: 02/07/2013 12:57 PM

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I think for the most part this is all history.
It's not unusual for Pro Sports Owners to play Politician and spin spin spin.It's not like it's just the Padres that have been guilty of this either.
But,I'm thinking the worst is behind us.
Of course,it doesn't hurt that we should be able to contend for some time just with the prospects we have coming up and that should also leave enough payroll available to sign or extend the players we need.
I truly believe the next ten years of Padre baseball could very well be the best ten year period we've ever seen.....





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Posted: 02/07/2013 5:35 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: I think for the most part this is all history.
It's not unusual for Pro Sports Owners to play Politician and spin spin spin.It's not like it's just the Padres that have been guilty of this either.
But,I'm thinking the worst is behind us.
Of course,it doesn't hurt that we should be able to contend for some time just with the prospects we have coming up and that should also leave enough payroll available to sign or extend the players we need.
I truly believe the next ten years of Padre baseball could very well be the best ten year period we've ever seen.....
I dont know how this video has not spurrred mored discussion in this forum. It is right on in showing how ownership has flat out lied for the last few years. It also brings to light how good of a stadium deal we actually have and just how much we get from revenue sharing.

I'd love to agree with the highlighted comment above, it's just hard to have faith in the "new" ownership group when their big moves to improve the team have been to sign Jason Marquis and acquiring Tyson Ross.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Padres response to this because it is already front page of cbs sports and he was interviewed on Darren Smith's show this afternoon, on the Padres flagship station.
 
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Posted: 02/07/2013 6:12 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: I think for the most part this is all history.
It's not unusual for Pro Sports Owners to play Politician and spin spin spin.It's not like it's just the Padres that have been guilty of this either.
But,I'm thinking the worst is behind us.
Of course,it doesn't hurt that we should be able to contend for some time just with the prospects we have coming up and that should also leave enough payroll available to sign or extend the players we need.
I truly believe the next ten years of Padre baseball could very well be the best ten year period we've ever seen.....
I dont know how this video has not spurrred mored discussion in this forum. It is right on in showing how ownership has flat out lied for the last few years. It also brings to light how good of a stadium deal we actually have and just how much we get from revenue sharing.

I'd love to agree with the highlighted comment above, it's just hard to have faith in the "new" ownership group when their big moves to improve the team have been to sign Jason Marquis and acquiring Tyson Ross.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Padres response to this because it is already front page of cbs sports and he was interviewed on Darren Smith's show this afternoon, on the Padres flagship station.

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I am thinking there is good reason they didn't do "more" this offseason.(and you forgot Freddy Garcia)
I think it's because of all the pitching we already have in the system that is just a half season away.
Considering injury and age,we realistically are only a half season away from Luebke,Erlin,Wieland,Kelly,and even Cashner.
Also.....again,we are dismissing Stauffer as if he doesn't matter?
How many Starters did you want them to sign to multi year deals this year?
Besides these guys,we have another 2-3 coming next year.
Maybe,after this year, starting pitching is not where we want,or rather need, to spend the extra payroll on?

I guess I have an easier time understanding that the "big moves" don't all have to be made in the first off season of the new ownership for them to not be like all the others.





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Posted: 02/07/2013 6:18 PM

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polostud4 wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: I think for the most part this is all history.
It's not unusual for Pro Sports Owners to play Politician and spin spin spin.It's not like it's just the Padres that have been guilty of this either.
But,I'm thinking the worst is behind us.
Of course,it doesn't hurt that we should be able to contend for some time just with the prospects we have coming up and that should also leave enough payroll available to sign or extend the players we need.
I truly believe the next ten years of Padre baseball could very well be the best ten year period we've ever seen.....
I dont know how this video has not spurrred mored discussion in this forum. It is right on in showing how ownership has flat out lied for the last few years. It also brings to light how good of a stadium deal we actually have and just how much we get from revenue sharing.

I'd love to agree with the highlighted comment above, it's just hard to have faith in the "new" ownership group when their big moves to improve the team have been to sign Jason Marquis and acquiring Tyson Ross.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Padres response to this because it is already front page of cbs sports and he was interviewed on Darren Smith's show this afternoon, on the Padres flagship station.
The video just shows what we've been talking about on here for a while now. Just uses newspaper/blogs/radio podcasts to argue what was always right in front of us. But I think this is a good way to organize something or at least put some pressure on the FO since the UT (Bill Center) won't ever do it and Krasovic is long gone from the Padres beat unfortunately.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 6:39 PM

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DaveyPinstripes wrote:
polostud4 wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: I think for the most part this is all history.
It's not unusual for Pro Sports Owners to play Politician and spin spin spin.It's not like it's just the Padres that have been guilty of this either.
But,I'm thinking the worst is behind us.
Of course,it doesn't hurt that we should be able to contend for some time just with the prospects we have coming up and that should also leave enough payroll available to sign or extend the players we need.
I truly believe the next ten years of Padre baseball could very well be the best ten year period we've ever seen.....
I dont know how this video has not spurrred mored discussion in this forum. It is right on in showing how ownership has flat out lied for the last few years. It also brings to light how good of a stadium deal we actually have and just how much we get from revenue sharing.

I'd love to agree with the highlighted comment above, it's just hard to have faith in the "new" ownership group when their big moves to improve the team have been to sign Jason Marquis and acquiring Tyson Ross.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Padres response to this because it is already front page of cbs sports and he was interviewed on Darren Smith's show this afternoon, on the Padres flagship station.
The video just shows what we've been talking about on here for a while now. Just uses newspaper/blogs/radio podcasts to argue what was always right in front of us. But I think this is a good way to organize something or at least put some pressure on the FO since the UT (Bill Center) won't ever do it and Krasovic is long gone from the Padres beat unfortunately.
Agreed. That is why I thought there would be more of an acknowledgement on here.
 
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Posted: 02/07/2013 7:01 PM

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Why does he leave out the fact that the payroll drop was mandated by the divorce attorneys and couldn't be raised if they wanted too?
If it was all about telling the truth.......why make it sound like this was done out of greed instead of because raising it would have been illegal?





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Posted: 02/07/2013 7:12 PM

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MrPadre19 wrote: Why does he leave out the fact that the payroll drop was mandated by the divorce attorneys and couldn't be raised if they wanted too?
If it was all about telling the truth.......why make it sound like this was done out of greed instead of because raising it would have been illegal?
I wasn't aware that was the case, that our payroll was mandated by court to be lowered. Do you have a link for that?
 
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Posted: 02/07/2013 10:05 PM

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I am glad that somebody put the time and effort to put this together and actually provide some hard links to actual discussions from the front office. The guy sounds like he's a diehard fan and just wants some accountability and for the Padres to stop being at the bottom of the list for payroll.

I don't agree with the call for a boycott though...I'll do what I damn well please with my income, thank you. (and because of revenue sharing and internet deals, doesn't that mean that even the simple act of following the sport of baseball channel money into the Padres? So, how do you avoid doing that? Anyway...)

As far as payroll goes, the Padres couldn't have kept Peavy AND AGon AND Latos AND Adams AND Bell (AND Headley?) all at fair market deals so some of these guys were bound to go....but it's a worst case scenario when NONE of them are actually kept long term. It's a situation that needs to change for the Padres to earn respect from their fans.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 10:23 PM

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It's about damn time.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 5:56 PM

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polostud4 wrote:
DaveyPinstripes wrote:
polostud4 wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: I think for the most part this is all history.
It's not unusual for Pro Sports Owners to play Politician and spin spin spin.It's not like it's just the Padres that have been guilty of this either.
But,I'm thinking the worst is behind us.
Of course,it doesn't hurt that we should be able to contend for some time just with the prospects we have coming up and that should also leave enough payroll available to sign or extend the players we need.
I truly believe the next ten years of Padre baseball could very well be the best ten year period we've ever seen.....
I dont know how this video has not spurrred mored discussion in this forum. It is right on in showing how ownership has flat out lied for the last few years. It also brings to light how good of a stadium deal we actually have and just how much we get from revenue sharing.

I'd love to agree with the highlighted comment above, it's just hard to have faith in the "new" ownership group when their big moves to improve the team have been to sign Jason Marquis and acquiring Tyson Ross.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Padres response to this because it is already front page of cbs sports and he was interviewed on Darren Smith's show this afternoon, on the Padres flagship station.
The video just shows what we've been talking about on here for a while now. Just uses newspaper/blogs/radio podcasts to argue what was always right in front of us. But I think this is a good way to organize something or at least put some pressure on the FO since the UT (Bill Center) won't ever do it and Krasovic is long gone from the Padres beat unfortunately.
Agreed. That is why I thought there would be more of an acknowledgement on here.
While viewing the video I was struck by the fact of how much of the content, and many of the opinions expressed, were directly in line with discussions that we have had here over the past few years.

If someone from this board made or contributed to this video, which was by and large well done, please speak up.  I kinda find it hard to believe that someone who went to this length doesn't spend some time here...the best Padre board on the 'net IMO.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 8:19 PM

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Commie wrote:
 
While viewing the video I was struck by the fact of how much of the content, and many of the opinions expressed, were directly in line with discussions that we have had here over the past few years.

If someone from this board made or contributed to this video, which was by and large well done, please speak up.  I kinda find it hard to believe that someone who went to this length doesn't spend some time here...the best Padre board on the 'net IMO.

Link.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 9:47 PM

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Commie wrote:
polostud4 wrote:
DaveyPinstripes wrote:
polostud4 wrote:
MrPadre19 wrote: I think for the most part this is all history.
It's not unusual for Pro Sports Owners to play Politician and spin spin spin.It's not like it's just the Padres that have been guilty of this either.
But,I'm thinking the worst is behind us.
Of course,it doesn't hurt that we should be able to contend for some time just with the prospects we have coming up and that should also leave enough payroll available to sign or extend the players we need.
I truly believe the next ten years of Padre baseball could very well be the best ten year period we've ever seen.....
I dont know how this video has not spurrred mored discussion in this forum. It is right on in showing how ownership has flat out lied for the last few years. It also brings to light how good of a stadium deal we actually have and just how much we get from revenue sharing.

I'd love to agree with the highlighted comment above, it's just hard to have faith in the "new" ownership group when their big moves to improve the team have been to sign Jason Marquis and acquiring Tyson Ross.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Padres response to this because it is already front page of cbs sports and he was interviewed on Darren Smith's show this afternoon, on the Padres flagship station.
The video just shows what we've been talking about on here for a while now. Just uses newspaper/blogs/radio podcasts to argue what was always right in front of us. But I think this is a good way to organize something or at least put some pressure on the FO since the UT (Bill Center) won't ever do it and Krasovic is long gone from the Padres beat unfortunately.
Agreed. That is why I thought there would be more of an acknowledgement on here.
While viewing the video I was struck by the fact of how much of the content, and many of the opinions expressed, were directly in line with discussions that we have had here over the past few years.

If someone from this board made or contributed to this video, which was by and large well done, please speak up.  I kinda find it hard to believe that someone who went to this length doesn't spend some time here...the best Padre board on the 'net IMO.
Yea, it is pretty striking. But either way, good to have it out.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 9:48 PM

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Return2Sender wrote: It's about damn time.
BTW, it's good to hear from you Return. Hope all is well.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 10:26 PM

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Did anyone hear the recent Ron Fowler interview? 

One of the things I'm really starting to hate hearing is the "if they want to be here" line.

ATTENTION RON: THEY want to be here if YOU want to pay them!  I get that these are business deals and you have to be wary, in Chase's case especially, of guaranteeing a lot of money and a lot of years (and probably a NTC) to a guy with a very, very short track record...but just STOP making it sound like this is solely the player's decision and that you are abstaining responsibility for tying Bud Black's hands with who is or isn't on the roster.

This whole Change the Padres thing is really about how the various ownership groups are flat-out turrrbull communicators, so stop cramming your shoes down your throat and go out and DO something about finding a way to keep Padres talent IN a Padres uniform!
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