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Luke Hochevar

Posted: 01/11/2013 9:42 AM

Luke Hochevar 


I have seen where the Padres and Royals may be discussing Hochevar to San Diego. Have you heard anything out there.  If it is true, would a package of Raymond Fuentes and Frank Garces be about right. If not, what would be fair?
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Posted: 01/11/2013 9:57 AM

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Saw the rumor....has not been toss around much here in SD.  I would guess a Fuentes / Garces for Hochevar would work from SD's perspective....if they really wanted him. Not sure the combination of his salary projected around $4.4MM in arbitration and career ERA over 5.39...even though will eat some innings....is all that appealing...but possible. Maybe something that they would consider after looking at their other SP options in ST.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 1:28 PM

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Are they thinking Petco + NL will lower his ERA down to 4.50 ?
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Posted: 01/11/2013 1:51 PM

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Probably a bit more KC shopping Hochevar than SD seeking him out.  What he gives is a healthy body that has gone over 30 starts in each of the last two seasons.  IF the Padres bite, they probably would expect to be getting 30 starts with and ERA slightly less than 4.50...that sounds a lot like Richard and Volquez.  He would not be the worst gamble (if they didn't give up much)..he has enough "stuff" to be the 1st pick overall in the 2006 draft....in 2011 had a ERA around 4.60...problem seems more about control / command (sounds like Volquez).

The $4.4MM in arbitration salary might be a put-off unless the other options fall short in ST.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 6:14 PM

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Let's Balsley work his magic on him. 268213.gif
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Posted: 01/11/2013 7:36 PM

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I'd rather target someone like Bud Norris. Decent numbers in a bad pitchers park for a bad team.

Blanks and Roach for Norris? Maybe have to sub in Sampson for Roach and/or Darnell for Blanks
Prospect I'm Championing 2014: Jonathan Galvez (last year K Sampson)
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Posted: 01/11/2013 8:17 PM

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Commie wrote: I'd rather target someone like Bud Norris. Decent numbers in a bad pitchers park for a bad team. 

Blanks and Roach for Norris? Maybe have to sub in Sampson for Roach and/or Darnell for Blanks
If I'm the Padres I don't know if I'm trading Roach for anyone other than a really marquee player, he has been absolutely tearing up AA. Norris would definitely be a good target though, a think he would be great in a Padres uniform. I don't think Blanks has any trade value and I'd prefer to hold onto Darnell, still think he's got plenty to offer, that bat is real. But maybe a Sampson/Fuentes deal could lure them, high upside arm and a prospect out of our top 20. 

On a separate note, I love looking at the Padres top prospects and realizing that any number of prospects in our top 30 could easily be top 10 in other systems, really reminds me how much depth we have.

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Posted: 01/12/2013 7:12 AM

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ta1nted wrote:
Commie wrote: I'd rather target someone like Bud Norris. Decent numbers in a bad pitchers park for a bad team. 

Blanks and Roach for Norris? Maybe have to sub in Sampson for Roach and/or Darnell for Blanks
If I'm the Padres I don't know if I'm trading Roach for anyone other than a really marquee player, he has been absolutely tearing up AA. Norris would definitely be a good target though, a think he would be great in a Padres uniform. I don't think Blanks has any trade value and I'd prefer to hold onto Darnell, still think he's got plenty to offer, that bat is real. But maybe a Sampson/Fuentes deal could lure them, high upside arm and a prospect out of our top 20. 

On a separate note, I love looking at the Padres top prospects and realizing that any number of prospects in our top 30 could easily be top 10 in other systems, really reminds me how much depth we have.
Either Roach or Sampson would be too much to give for Norris...as would any of the Padres' top prospects.  Norris is a gamble (and will get about $3MM in 2013).  The concern about Norris is his 2012 splits........at Home (11 starts) had an impressive 1.71 ERA (yes 1.71) BUT Away (18 starts) had a miserable 6.94 ERA.  Given the Padres in house alternatives and wanting to build from within...wouldn't pay $3MM and give up a top prospect for a bottom of the rotation SP who has the risk of really being that "Away" pitcher.
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Posted: 01/12/2013 3:32 PM

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FENN68 wrote:
ta1nted wrote:
Commie wrote: I'd rather target someone like Bud Norris. Decent numbers in a bad pitchers park for a bad team. 

Blanks and Roach for Norris? Maybe have to sub in Sampson for Roach and/or Darnell for Blanks
If I'm the Padres I don't know if I'm trading Roach for anyone other than a really marquee player, he has been absolutely tearing up AA. Norris would definitely be a good target though, a think he would be great in a Padres uniform. I don't think Blanks has any trade value and I'd prefer to hold onto Darnell, still think he's got plenty to offer, that bat is real. But maybe a Sampson/Fuentes deal could lure them, high upside arm and a prospect out of our top 20. 

On a separate note, I love looking at the Padres top prospects and realizing that any number of prospects in our top 30 could easily be top 10 in other systems, really reminds me how much depth we have.
Either Roach or Sampson would be too much to give for Norris...as would any of the Padres' top prospects.  Norris is a gamble (and will get about $3MM in 2013).  The concern about Norris is his 2012 splits........at Home (11 starts) had an impressive 1.71 ERA (yes 1.71) BUT Away (18 starts) had a miserable 6.94 ERA.  Given the Padres in house alternatives and wanting to build from within...wouldn't pay $3MM and give up a top prospect for a bottom of the rotation SP who has the risk of really being that "Away" pitcher.
Wow!  I hadn't looked at his splits.  How do you have those kinds of splits playing in Houston?  I know he's right handed and all, but that fence in left is a joke.

Side note regarding this thread:  Casey Stern referred to Hochevar as "not even a major league pitcher" this morning on MLB Radio FWIW.
Prospect I'm Championing 2014: Jonathan Galvez (last year K Sampson)
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Posted: 01/13/2013 7:58 AM

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Commie wrote:
FENN68 wrote:
ta1nted wrote:
Commie wrote: I'd rather target someone like Bud Norris. Decent numbers in a bad pitchers park for a bad team. 

Blanks and Roach for Norris? Maybe have to sub in Sampson for Roach and/or Darnell for Blanks
If I'm the Padres I don't know if I'm trading Roach for anyone other than a really marquee player, he has been absolutely tearing up AA. Norris would definitely be a good target though, a think he would be great in a Padres uniform. I don't think Blanks has any trade value and I'd prefer to hold onto Darnell, still think he's got plenty to offer, that bat is real. But maybe a Sampson/Fuentes deal could lure them, high upside arm and a prospect out of our top 20. 

On a separate note, I love looking at the Padres top prospects and realizing that any number of prospects in our top 30 could easily be top 10 in other systems, really reminds me how much depth we have.
Either Roach or Sampson would be too much to give for Norris...as would any of the Padres' top prospects.  Norris is a gamble (and will get about $3MM in 2013).  The concern about Norris is his 2012 splits........at Home (11 starts) had an impressive 1.71 ERA (yes 1.71) BUT Away (18 starts) had a miserable 6.94 ERA.  Given the Padres in house alternatives and wanting to build from within...wouldn't pay $3MM and give up a top prospect for a bottom of the rotation SP who has the risk of really being that "Away" pitcher.
Wow!  I hadn't looked at his splits.  How do you have those kinds of splits playing in Houston?  I know he's right handed and all, but that fence in left is a joke.

Side note regarding this thread:  Casey Stern referred to Hochevar as "not even a major league pitcher" this morning on MLB Radio FWIW.
Hochevar is a good example for not getting too enamored with "potential" and holding on too long the idea that he is (or could be) who scouts thought he was.  In 2006 he was the #1 pick in the entire draft by K.C....ahead of the likes of Langoria, Kershaw, and Lincecum...and even though he did make the ML, he has been less than average (5.39 ERA).  Now at 29...just a body.
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Posted: 01/20/2013 10:07 PM

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Hochevar is the worst #1 pick in recent history.
Every time I saw him pitch he just looked like he already lost the game before it started.

Given the trends your better off trading for a pitcher from a team with a track record of developing pitchers like Oakland or Seattle.

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