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Make a splash in Fa or make the right moves overall

Posted: 12/29/2012 1:46 PM

Make a splash in Fa or make the right moves overall 


Fans on the official site are in an uproar about the Padres not making moves.I feel that I would rather see the team try to make it with what they have and stick to the plan of bringing along our own homegrown players instead of trading them or bringining in higher priced free agents this may cost us some games short term but in the long term can go a long way to building a team that can be a contender over a longer period of time.When will everyone learn that except for a very few exceptions teams that overspend don't always get what they paid for .
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Posted: 12/29/2012 4:50 PM

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When did anyone here ask for the Padres to overpay to bring people in? I think the frustration  comes from the sheer lack of activity, not that they haven't brought in any big names. You can make your team better without star power, but unfortunately I don't know how much better the current roster is than last years, considering we've added Tyson Ross and resigned Marquis, there isn't a lot to go on or get excited about. I wasn't expecting any major overhauls or improvements to the team, but I was expecting at least some activity, let alone rumors of it to keep things interesting. As a baseball fan, it is kind of boring and frustrating when the hot stove season comes around and your following one of the few teams that has done absolutely nothing. It has nothing to do with star power, it has everything to do with improving and generating interest in this team, and quite frankly they haven't done that so far this winter.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 7:13 PM

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I wasn't saying here I was saying at Padres.com boards .I think at times fans seem to get FA envy and don't realize that sometimes the right move is to stand pat and not overpay because the market has gone berserk. or to not trade away future building blocks for a place holder on a team that's still a couple years away.Lets see if maybe some of our ML are ready to step up and make a move.And if we have to move players for pitching only move players that no longer fit what were trying to do or there way to the mlb roster is blocked with players you really like.I just do not want to look back in the future and have traded guys like the Alamars or an ozzy Smith for a guy that never worked out we have plenty of those moves in the past.I really like that we are trying to grow our minor leagues and have to be careful not to  overreach and get burned
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:00 PM

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Justified or not, they built no off-season interest.  I do believe they almost have to get off to a better start than last year. This is a better team just with the health of the club from April - May 2012. Those were two ugly months.  If they repeat that nonsense by June there will be more seagulls in the stands than people.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:49 PM

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I think fantasy baseball has changed a lot of fans perceptions on how to build a major league baseball team. In fantasy baseball you are successful by collecting as many "stars" as you can. Building from within and having young players actually improving don't seem to be seen as "improvement." I personally don't think the Padres will win the NL West this year. But you see people, even on this board, who talk about trading Portillo and Kelley and Lariano, etc for guys who (In my opinion) will not put us over the top in the West this year. It takes two-to-tango. You can't sign a guy just to sign a guy. IMHO you develop from within, make smart trades, and THEN if you are one guy short of going to the world series (ala Kevin Brown), then you use your minor league system to make a trade or sign a free agent. But one thing is for sure this off-season. Young controlable pitching is the gold standard in mlb and the Padres have plenty of that coming. 
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:21 PM

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I think fantasy baseball has changed a lot of fans perceptions on how to build a major league baseball team. In fantasy baseball you are successful by collecting as many "stars" as you can. Building from within and having young players actually improving don't seem to be seen as "improvement." I personally don't think the Padres will win the NL West this year. But you see people, even on this board, who talk about trading Portillo and Kelley and Lariano, etc for guys who (In my opinion) will not put us over the top in the West this year. It takes two-to-tango. You can't sign a guy just to sign a guy. IMHO you develop from within, make smart trades, and THEN if you are one guy short of going to the world series (ala Kevin Brown), then you use your minor league system to make a trade or sign a free agent. But one thing is for sure this off-season. Young controlable pitching is the gold standard in mlb and the Padres have plenty of that coming. 


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For the record,I agree 100%.
My earlier posts about Stanton were an exercise in "what if".

I am on record as stating I would have a nervous breakdown at the mere mention of trading guys like Liriano and Gyorko.
I desperately want to see this team win it all.....or at least the N.L. West, with a team full of our own,one time,prospects.



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Posted: 01/02/2013 2:07 PM

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It's been multiple years now that the Padres have been "surprised" at how the FA market has played out.  They say at the beginning of the off-season that they'll look to add...then some other team(s) sets a stupid market dynamic in annual value that the Pads can't afford...then the Padres rethink their involvement and resort to playing the trade game...but they don't really want to trade young, controllable talent because it's the only thing they actually CAN afford...so, then they just go back to status quo, even though they could clearly use an upgrade or two...so they end up doing basically nothing but adding marginal depth.

It's hard to blame them for not playing the overpriced/long contract game, but at the same time, it's incredibly frustrating as a fan.  Unfortunately, it looks like 2013 is just going to basically be a mulligan for 2012 (minus Luebke), and we'll just try to tread water until some mid-season "reinforcements" arrive and we can spend another year trying out guys at the end of the year for next season's roster.

Good times rolleyes ...
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Posted: 01/02/2013 3:29 PM

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Dre1023 wrote: It's been multiple years now that the Padres have been "surprised" at how the FA market has played out.  They say at the beginning of the off-season that they'll look to add...then some other team(s) sets a stupid market dynamic in annual value that the Pads can't afford...then the Padres rethink their involvement and resort to playing the trade game...but they don't really want to trade young, controllable talent because it's the only thing they actually CAN afford...so, then they just go back to status quo, even though they could clearly use an upgrade or two...so they end up doing basically nothing but adding marginal depth.

It's hard to blame them for not playing the overpriced/long contract game, but at the same time, it's incredibly frustrating as a fan.  Unfortunately, it looks like 2013 is just going to basically be a mulligan for 2012 (minus Luebke), and we'll just try to tread water until some mid-season "reinforcements" arrive and we can spend another year trying out guys at the end of the year for next season's roster.

Good times rolleyes ...
Except that in 2012 we added our cleanup hitter AND our Closer via trade.
So,if it is indeed status quo,maybe we add a top of the rotation Starter and a starting SS?



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Posted: 01/08/2013 2:32 PM

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Dre, as usual nails it.  Not to mention isn't it something like only 40% of the local TV can't get the games on cable!  Joe Average Fan is going to have to see something that builds some interest before they show up at the park.  This off season is the cold stove league.

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Posted: 01/08/2013 2:59 PM

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True, but I'm not going to hold that too much against the Padres since the problem seems to be driven by the cable companies and is out of the Padres hands. It's a crap situation, but is a different kind of problem than not being able to add pieces to their roster.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 4:39 PM

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"..then the Padres rethink their involvement and resort to playing the trade game...but they don't really want to trade young, controllable talent because it's the only thing they actually CAN afford...so, then they just go back to status quo, even though they could clearly use an upgrade or two...so they end up doing basically nothing but adding marginal depth."

But didn't we "add" Quentin and Street via trade ?
Do you consider them "marginal depth"?



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Posted: 01/08/2013 5:09 PM

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Dre1023 wrote: True, but I'm not going to hold that too much against the Padres since the problem seems to be driven by the cable companies and is out of the Padres hands. It's a crap situation, but is a different kind of problem than not being able to add pieces to their roster.
I think a larger % of the county is going to have the ability to watch now that ATT is on board. To my knowledge ATT, Cox and Direct TV will be showing the games. If you still have Time Warner that is on you because their product is terrible.

This off season has dragged and the lifelong fan in me thinks there is a big trade coming, but the realist in me thinks the new owner is going to be an awful lot like the old owner. This team is getting financial aid from the rest of the league, has a new TV deal and still does not spend money.

We are never going to be able to drop big money on the FAs that area actually worth it so our only chance is to trade for young players and lock them up. IMO Stanton is an ideal guy for that type of move. If we sign Headley to a 5/65 type deal and trade for Stanton we should have a very solid foundation and wont need to worry about FAs as we'll be able to build around those two from our own system.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 5:26 PM

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It's not that they "never" trade their young guys away...there's Street and Quentin, we got AGon and Chris Young the same way, same with Maybin, we actually traded _for_ youth with Erlin/Wieland...it's actually amazing how little the Padres had to yield cumulatively in these trades (Adam Eaton, a bunch of setup guys, and some AA pitching prospects basically).

All of these moves are/were great and all, I've generally been in favor of the trades made lately (Cashner-Rizzo being the exception), but it's just frustrating seeing them have these great plans of roster addition, and then as soon as the free agent market is set, they fold....despite all the revenue sharing, despite the new cable deal, and despite a new-ish front office.

Bottom line is the Padres can't afford free agents, period (I hate it when stevin's right wink).  So, now they just have to rely on their farm system and being better talent evaluators than the 29 other front offices.  I hope they're up to that task...I'm willing to give them that shot...but it's definitely not a given.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 5:47 PM

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polostud4 wrote:
Dre1023 wrote: True, but I'm not going to hold that too much against the Padres since the problem seems to be driven by the cable companies and is out of the Padres hands. It's a crap situation, but is a different kind of problem than not being able to add pieces to their roster.
I think a larger % of the county is going to have the ability to watch now that ATT is on board. To my knowledge ATT, Cox and Direct TV will be showing the games. If you still have Time Warner that is on you because their product is terrible.

This off season has dragged and the lifelong fan in me thinks there is a big trade coming, but the realist in me thinks the new owner is going to be an awful lot like the old owner. This team is getting financial aid from the rest of the league, has a new TV deal and still does not spend money.

We are never going to be able to drop big money on the FAs that area actually worth it so our only chance is to trade for young players and lock them up. IMO Stanton is an ideal guy for that type of move. If we sign Headley to a 5/65 type deal and trade for Stanton we should have a very solid foundation and wont need to worry about FAs as we'll be able to build around those two from our own system.

I didn't realize that!  Been out of the loop for awhile this offseason...that's very good news!

Between the annual salaries, the amount of years in a FA contract, and the possibility of surrendering 1st rd draft picks, I can't really blame Byrnes for not wanting to play that game...but they better be able to back it up in drafting well and extending our pre-FA guys.  

One of the big risks with Headley is that there will likely be a NTC included, but I think I'd be ok with that...

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Posted: 01/08/2013 5:48 PM

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Dre1023 wrote: It's not that they "never" trade their young guys away...there's Street and Quentin, we got AGon and Chris Young the same way, same with Maybin, we actually traded _for_ youth with Erlin/Wieland...it's actually amazing how little the Padres had to yield cumulatively in these trades (Adam Eaton, a bunch of setup guys, and some AA pitching prospects basically).

All of these moves are/were great and all, I've generally been in favor of the trades made lately (Cashner-Rizzo being the exception), but it's just frustrating seeing them have these great plans of roster addition, and then as soon as the free agent market is set, they fold....despite all the revenue sharing, despite the new cable deal, and despite a new-ish front office.

Bottom line is the Padres can't afford free agents, period (I hate it when stevin's right wink).  So, now they just have to rely on their farm system and being better talent evaluators than the 29 other front offices.  I hope they're up to that task...I'm willing to give them that shot...but it's definitely not a given.
I know what you're saying....and somewhat agree,but what "great plans" are you referring too?
The only plans I know of was adding a couple starters.
They did say Haren was at the top of their list,but anything that resembled "great plans" other than Haren, came from the fans...not the Padres.
Most fans,including me,expected more than just Marquis.....and maybe there still will be,but did the Padres promise more?
They made it pretty clear that position player wise we were not going to do much of anything.As far as arms.....they said they wanted to add two starters.
They have added one(a #5),and the offseason is just halfway over.
They are notorious for waiting till the dust settles to "score" their guy......and if they do add one more starter than their "great plans" will have been accomplished.



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Posted: 01/08/2013 6:02 PM

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"Great" was not meant as a term of "magnitude", more of a "Yes, I agree, that would be a good/correct move".
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Posted: 01/08/2013 9:47 PM

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Its hard to stay patient when its already January and the Padres havent done much this offseason.  In fact if you think about it the Padres went backwards, Cashner got injured, Grandal got suspended, and the Padre fans are just sitting here twittling our thumbs.

However, we still have a month.  I am guessing/hoping that Byrnes is looking at his budget and trying to figure out what to spend his $ on.  I am just assuming that in the next month they will add payroll via trade or FA.  Not easy to sit tight, but I guess what else are we going to do.  Stupid no baseball in Jan
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Posted: 01/09/2013 3:26 PM

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Quentin/Street type players as the season progresses I will be happy.  Everything doesn't have to be settle on opening day.  It's a long season.  Which reminds me.  The WBC is back.  I guess we get a extended look at some of the minor leaguers.

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Posted: 01/09/2013 3:53 PM

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Its hard to stay patient when its already January and the Padres havent done much this offseason.  In fact if you think about it the Padres went backwards, Cashner got injured, Grandal got suspended, and the Padre fans are just sitting here twittling our thumbs.

However, we still have a month.  I am guessing/hoping that Byrnes is looking at his budget and trying to figure out what to spend his $ on.  I am just assuming that in the next month they will add payroll via trade or FA.  Not easy to sit tight, but I guess what else are we going to do.  Stupid no baseball in Jan

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.........and moved the fences in.
This worries me.We started slow last year(although partly due to 2B/SS), and have a really tough opening month.
Starting the year with the current rotation could put us in "anther" hole we can never crawl out of.
Starting the season poorly really makes the rest of the season hard to cope with.......like last year.
Despite playing really well for 100 games,all we got was fourth place and no one other than Padre fans noticed we were really playing pretty well.



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Posted: 01/22/2013 2:53 PM

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You have to be smart, but they have done nothing, so they are looking pretty much like the do nothing pay nothing Padres of the past.  They should have signed Haren for the $13M for one year that Washington gave him.  I don't think they should over spend and give out long term contracts, but so far, I am not impressed.
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