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Cause for Concern with the A's

  • rmoto
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Posted: 08/16/2014 1:43 AM

Cause for Concern with the A's 


BTW on Baseball Tonight one of their anaylsts predicted tonight the A's would not win the division and might even have to fight for a wild card spot if their offense doesn't pick up which he doesn't think it will


http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24662921/theres-cause-for-concern-with-as-but-lets-not-go-overboard




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Posted: 08/16/2014 2:12 AM

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Well it does help that the A's play an easier scheduled down the stretch of the season the last 2 weeks. They play TEX 7 times out of their last 13 games including the last four of the season when TEX right now might be the worse team in baseball. Not to mention the A's play PHI 3 times and who knows how many of their stars will be still around as they could trade one or two of them before the two teams meet with the LAA sandwiched in between to end the month of SEP. The A's also play the CHW 4 times earlier in SEP so they should have 4 series and 14 games out of the last 6 series/20 games that they should rack up the wins you'd hope.

LAA in comparison during this same time frame is playing 3 vs a much than better expected HOU team, 7 games vs a SEA team pushing for the playoffs, 3 vs TEX, and aforementioned 3 game series vs the A's in OAK from 9/22-9/24.

SEA plays those 7 games vs LAA but also 3 vs HOU and 4 vs TOR who'll again be competing for likely the AL WC spot still.

As for Cespedes he's sporting a cool .690 OPS with BOS and had only one multi bit game out of the 11 games he's played so far.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 5:53 AM

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Weve got issues with or without Cespy, for sure
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Posted: 08/16/2014 6:59 AM

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No need to bring up crispy again. This began before him and this team would be in trouble with him. Their drought, which usually starts in the playoffs, started a couple months early.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 7:52 AM

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I hope this does not land me in hot water here, but sometimes I think it is hard to quantify a player's worth just in terms of sheer numbers. What I am getting at is how valuable a player may be, even if his offensive numbers are not off the chart. I hearken back to a player for the Indians by the name of Travis Hafner. From 2004-2006, he was one of the most feared hitters in all of baseball. He went downhill after that, but pitchers, even as late as 2012, had to treat him with respect and he continued to draw a fair number of walks. My point is that even if Ces is not tearing the cover off the ball, pitchers still do have to worry about him. I could make the same case with Davis of Baltimore, who is having a terrible season.

I do think the trade helps the A's this year, but certainly will hurt them next year (Captain Obvious).
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Posted: 08/16/2014 10:26 AM

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As for Cespedes he's sporting a cool .690 OPS with BOS and had only one multi bit game out of the 11 games he's played so far.

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His OPS is a bit higher than that (.730 range) and he's hit 3 HR's and knocked in 10 runs in 12 games. Not like we couldn't use that timely power hitting lately. And the defensive drop off in LF with Moss/Gomes/Vogt etc has been pretty huge.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 10:47 AM

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im more upset aabout the cubs trade. maybe beane's aggressiveness backfired. i know their concerns with chavez, gray, milone are valid. but hammel has done nothing for them. shark has been good overall, but A's definitely paid a high price to get him. like i said before, anything other than a world series appearance is considered an "all in" failure. And right now the current roster, injuries, etc dont give me much hope. This overall mediocre play has been going on for almost 7 weeks
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Posted: 08/16/2014 11:24 AM

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Bigfist wrote: I hope this does not land me in hot water here, but sometimes I think it is hard to quantify a player's worth just in terms of sheer numbers. What I am getting at is how valuable a player may be, even if his offensive numbers are not off the chart. I hearken back to a player for the Indians by the name of Travis Hafner. From 2004-2006, he was one of the most feared hitters in all of baseball. He went downhill after that, but pitchers, even as late as 2012, had to treat him with respect and he continued to draw a fair number of walks. My point is that even if Ces is not tearing the cover off the ball, pitchers still do have to worry about him. I could make the same case with Davis of Baltimore, who is having a terrible season.

I do think the trade helps the A's this year, but certainly will hurt them next year (Captain Obvious).
I agree with everything you say, except the idea that the trade will hurt the A's next year.

Because Cespedes contract removes the ability to make him a qualifying offer, and sends him directly to free agency, the A's would have had to trade him next year.  At most, they would have a half year of him.  They will miss out on the return they would have gotten for him... but they gain that this year, so the benefit is simply accelerated.  And at the end of the day, the salaries of both Cespedes and Lester are off the books, probably by mid-season next year, giving more flexibility for acquisitions.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 11:27 AM

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The optimistic view would be this:

Winning a World Series is all about getting hot at the right time. What a colossal downer it would be for the A's to be world-beaters in August and September only to come out flat (yet again) in the playoffs. Maybe this is our rough stretch and we'll have to fight to get in the playoffs. And then maybe the pieces will come together again in October and we'll reel off a three-week stretch of dominance that results in a WS crown.

That's the optimistic view. And I'm fighting real hard to cling to it.

"Today's one of those days, where the white shoes look a little shinier and feel a little better." --Bob Melvin
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  • VegasVic
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Posted: 08/16/2014 11:45 AM

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Posted: 08/16/2014 12:09 PM

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arly2380 wrote: im more upset aabout the cubs trade. maybe beane's aggressiveness backfired. i know their concerns with chavez, gray, milone are valid. but hammel has done nothing for them. shark has been good overall, but A's definitely paid a high price to get him. like i said before, anything other than a world series appearance is considered an "all in" failure. And right now the current roster, injuries, etc dont give me much hope. This overall mediocre play has been going on for almost 7 weeks
I agree with you.  The Shark/Hammel trade is way  worse than losing cespy.  The Cubs just turned beane into their b*&^A# on this one.
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  • rmoto
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Posted: 08/16/2014 12:25 PM

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athleticpride wrote: Well it does help that the A's play an easier scheduled down the stretch of the season the last 2 weeks. They play TEX 7 times out of their last 13 games including the last four of the season when TEX right now might be the worse team in baseball. Not to mention the A's play PHI 3 times and who knows how many of their stars will be still around as they could trade one or two of them before the two teams meet with the LAA sandwiched in between to end the month of SEP. The A's also play the CHW 4 times earlier in SEP so they should have 4 series and 14 games out of the last 6 series/20 games that they should rack up the wins you'd hope.

LAA in comparison during this same time frame is playing 3 vs a much than better expected HOU team, 7 games vs a SEA team pushing for the playoffs, 3 vs TEX, and aforementioned 3 game series vs the A's in OAK from 9/22-9/24.

SEA plays those 7 games vs LAA but also 3 vs HOU and 4 vs TOR who'll again be competing for likely the AL WC spot still.

As for Cespedes he's sporting a cool .690 OPS with BOS and had only one multi bit game out of the 11 games he's played so far.
I would just wish people stop pointing out schedules. This team has to win games no matter who is on the schedule. We struggling against Texas and Houston last month. If we keep playing the way we are by the team the end of September comes about we could be on the outside looking in trying to get some help.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 12:26 PM

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VegasVic wrote: Add Christina Karl to the list sounding the warning bells:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/50686/athletics-need-to-be-worried-for-stretch-run
To me I think Karl's article was more of a doomsday article about turning things around now than the CBS article who reading believes its just a bump in the road and they will get out of it.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 3:19 PM

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We should have kept Milone and Cespy. Picking up Shark is fine. No need for Hamell.. The object of trade deadline is to add to team when in pennant race. Moving Cespy for Lester was exchanging not adding. We should have been looking to add more offense, not trade it away.

Huston street also would have been a good pickup for the 8th inning. I hope everything works out, but sometimes Billy gets a little too cute, and gambles a bit too much. Trading cespedes in the middle of a season, causes every player to think who's next, is it me? Cespy should have been traded in offseason only to allow the next year's team to develop its own identity. He was a part of this year's team's identity.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 3:31 PM

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athleticpride wrote: Well it does help that the A's play an easier scheduled down the stretch of the season the last 2 weeks. They play TEX 7 times out of their last 13 games including the last four of the season when TEX right now might be the worse team in baseball. Not to mention the A's play PHI 3 times and who knows how many of their stars will be still around as they could trade one or two of them before the two teams meet with the LAA sandwiched in between to end the month of SEP. The A's also play the CHW 4 times earlier in SEP so they should have 4 series and 14 games out of the last 6 series/20 games that they should rack up the wins you'd hope.

LAA in comparison during this same time frame is playing 3 vs a much than better expected HOU team, 7 games vs a SEA team pushing for the playoffs, 3 vs TEX, and aforementioned 3 game series vs the A's in OAK from 9/22-9/24.

SEA plays those 7 games vs LAA but also 3 vs HOU and 4 vs TOR who'll again be competing for likely the AL WC spot still.

As for Cespedes he's sporting a cool .690 OPS with BOS and had only one multi bit game out of the 11 games he's played so far.
Not surprising at all ... Cespy's #'s were destined to drop, if not plummet for awhile.  The A's organization has essentially been his only family (until his relatives arrived) since arriving here.  Not to mention I would assume for him it was a double hurt ... playing all these mos for a team which looked destined to at least be in the playoffs again (though that is becoming a very huge question all of a sudden) and going to one likely destined for last place.  In effect, almost literally the coli was like his home and many of his teammates, his brothers.  

I'm hoping Gomes still has the magic leadership touch; I'm sure that's why Billy wanted him as part of this deal.  Cespedes was very well liked and a popular presence in the clubhouse and regardless what players say and/or are saying, Yes, I believe Cespedes shocking loss is, IMO, part, at least for this sudden "collapse". And I believe it's (certainly) partially responsible for how this team is playing now. I don't care what the players say; it's an emotional thing.

Even before this trade went down, I kept saying I hate hearing everybody acting as though they were not only a shoo in for the postseason, but the WS.  ESPN,  MLB, etc., etc., I hated hearing it and now have no doubt I am superstitious for a reason.

Oh, and as for the "easier schedule" weren't both KC & Houston considered to be part of that "easier" schedule?  And I would NEVER consider Texas easy, regardless their play this year. They will be going all out to whomp the A's ... everytime they remember 2012.  Frankly, I don't see any "easy" schedule. A number of those teams ... Astros, Sox, Seattle (which arguably is still in the race) the games those teams have with the Angels and A's, in particular, is in effect, their postseason.

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  • rmoto
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Posted: 08/16/2014 5:40 PM

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We should have kept Milone and Cespy. Picking up Shark is fine. No need for Hamell.. The object of trade deadline is to add to team when in pennant race. Moving Cespy for Lester was exchanging not adding. We should have been looking to add more offense, not trade it away.

Huston street also would have been a good pickup for the 8th inning. I hope everything works out, but sometimes Billy gets a little too cute, and gambles a bit too much. Trading cespedes in the middle of a season, causes every player to think who's next, is it me? Cespy should have been traded in offseason only to allow the next year's team to develop its own identity. He was a part of this year's team's identity.

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We got Hammel because wanted more than just Smar if he was giving up Russell which Epstein said he also wanted more than Russell for Shark.

As for causing every player to think who is next? Do you honestly believe that? I mean really do you honestly believe that?
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Posted: 08/16/2014 7:35 PM

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Why do so many posters apologize for saying what is completely obvious. "I hope I don't get in any trouble here". Sheesh. The Lester for Cespedes trade was and is a complete disaster for the A's. It affected the whole lineup. No need to apologize or mince words. No need to cite obscure statistics. How about this statistic. Lost 6 of the last 7. No longer in first place alone. Scares absolutely no one. Except for the Lester win, this team can't hit to save it's life. Stupid, stupid trade.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 7:37 PM

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Cespedes OPS of .690 was before last night's game so yeah I got that wrong there. Still he has a .255 OBP with BOS so far which is horrible.
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Posted: 08/16/2014 7:41 PM

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If cespedes is what most people here think he was, APPARENTLY the best player on this team, then we were never very good. No way this team falls apart because of cespedes leaving. Give me a break. I liked the guy too but COME ON!!!!!!!
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Posted: 08/16/2014 7:53 PM

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In 2013 the Red Sox had a 1-6 stretch, won the World Series

In 2012 the Giants had a 1-7 stretch, won the World Series

In 2011 the Cardinals lost 7 straight, won the World Series

In 2010 the Giants lost 7 straight, won the World Series


The A's aren't playing well. That doesn't mean they wont play well.
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