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Starting Rotation Now for the A's?

  • rmoto
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:08 AM

Starting Rotation Now for the A's? 


so since today's trade, it will shake up the rotation of the A's.

Which pitchers are going to be left out and sent off? I think most agree on one of the spots even though he has pitched well in the last two starts to be the stopgap I think someone said but what about the other one?

Then when Pomz is ready to come back, how does that affect everything?

I think Mills is out of the rotation and am thinking the tough luck guy also out even though he has been one of the two best pitchers lately for the A's will be Milone.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:13 AM

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The crazy thing is, what about next year when Griffin and Parker could be coming back from TJS.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:13 AM

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Post all star break I'd start it out with..

Kazmir
Samardzija
Gray
Hammel
Milone


-Chavez moves to the long man role in the pen which he did very well at in 2013.
-Mills if you can do it moves down to AAA to fill the spot of Straily.

Pomeranz maybe the biggest question mark. Who knows when he comes back, some speculate he won't' return until AUG at the earliest, but does he move to the pen too when he's ready to return?
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:16 AM

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athleticpride wrote: Post all star break I'd start it out with..

Kazmir
Samardzija
Gray
Hammel
Milone


-Chavez moves to the long man role in the pen which he did very well at in 2013.
-Mills if you can do it moves down to AAA to fill the spot of Straily.

Pomeranz maybe the biggest question mark. Who knows when he comes back, some speculate he won't' return until AUG at the earliest, but does he move to the pen too when he's ready to return?
If you move Chavez to the bullpen, who do you bump from the bullpen then?
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:18 AM

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having doolittle, o'flaherty, abad, pomeranz, and even savery as lefty option in bullpen isnt so bad. 
with the uncertainty of johnson and cook looking shaky at times, chavez is like otero a multi inning righty option if needed. A's have ridiculous rotation and bullpen depth although at the expense of their top 2 prospects.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:28 AM

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One of the guys on ESPN is looking at this rotation now:

Kazmir
Samardzija
Hammel
Gray
Chavez
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:31 AM

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arly2380 wrote: having doolittle, o'flaherty, abad, pomeranz, and even savery as lefty option in bullpen isnt so bad. 
with the uncertainty of johnson and cook looking shaky at times, chavez is like otero a multi inning righty option if needed. A's have ridiculous rotation and bullpen depth although at the expense of their top 2 prospects.
Cook has been pitching better lately thankfully and looking a little more like himself. Seems for me Johnson has been the problem for the season but we know he won't be going anywhere. 

Unfortuately someone is going to be headed into the office "Hey you have done wonderful things this year, you saved our butt but you we don't need you anymore so report to the minors while we continue on the playoff run without you
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Posted: 07/05/2014 1:33 AM

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If A's are going 7 man pen it'd be

Chavez
Abad
Cook
Otero
O'Flaherty
Gregerson
Doolittle

...as for Johnson? Either tell him to go to AAA to try to work things out or you cut him.

AAA pen is stacked too with Healy, Scribner, Rodriguez, Savery, Smyth.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 5:17 AM

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It seems to me the A's are likely to trade a starter now.  And we shouldn't be surprised if it's Samardzija.  The Yankees were in the three-team discussion because they wanted Samardzija.  Presumably, they still do want him.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 5:39 AM

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Yeah, to me this is like speculating over an Opening Day batting order in December....there's going to be another trade before this even becomes an issue, perhaps even today.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 6:14 AM

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What the heck do the NYY have to offer to land Samardzija from the A's? Just looking at their farm system and not like they're loaded with talent up and down the minors. Sure they got a couple of nice pieces but nobody IMO that the A's would or should want back and or would help the A's more than Sarmardzija would the remainder of this 2014 season. I still don't know who the NYY were going to their deal from their side to have landed the Russell/Hammel package which was one of the rumors last night that talks broke down with that 3rd mystery team which the NYY are now known to be.

I do agree the As may trade a starter especially if Pomeranz somehow makes it back before the deadline. The two most likely arms I could see dealt are Hammel and maybe even Pomeranz himself. Pomeranz did himself no favors I'd guess from the A's front office's POV by stupidly punching a chair that probably will cost him at least a month if somehow he does return sometime in mid to late July or as some speculated maybe in AUG which would mean he'd miss anywhere from one and half or two months.

Hammel probably is much more proven of a big league SP but he'd be a 1/3 season rental and I don't know how much you can get in return? Just as I speculated that trading for McCarthy from AZ which seems like out of the question now I wouldn't I think cost a whole lot. Certainly a team in a "rebuilding mode" like the CHC are now or another team like AZ isn't going to want Hammel especially with the new draft rule of not getting a pick next year for a player you acquire during the regular season. As for as a team contending? I'd guess you'd want back a MIF player in return for Hammel if you went that route but finding that team looking for surplus pitching which the A's certainly have now but also having the extra glut of MIF pieces available to trade is going to be hard to find.

The teams I could think of are CLE with Cabrera as they have Lindor waiting in the wings but he's at AA and having a good, not great season and certainly not on the level of performance of what Bogaerts did to his lead up to being promoted last AUG with BOS at AA and AAA. Espinosa from the Nats also could be somebody if the A's were desperate, he was the player I wanted when last offseason in the Blevins trade but ultimately the A's got Burns. But Espinosa is having a medicare year, after okay years in 2011 and 2012 his play has gone into a nose dive and I don't know would even be an upgrade from Callaspo at this point. Probably wouldn't just be better off keeping Hammels.

If Pomeranz is the arm the A's trade has he done enough in his 8 starts for other teams to trade for his services? Pomeranz being a 25 year old LHSP who showed some glimpses in those eight starts could be somewhat of a valuable trading chip for the A's. If other teams are interested in Pomeranz, who?

NYM maybe as they already have some nice young arms especially when Harvey comes back in 2015 and Pomeranz would give them that young LHSP they currently don't have to go along with a Harvey-Wheeler-Snydergaard-Montero young foursome where all of them could realistically start the 2015 season in the rotation for the NYM. Who could the A's want from the NYM? Their 2b Murphy who's having a very good year as he's 5th in WAR for all MLB 2b thru the first half of the season and is a FA in 2016 so he perfectly fits the time frame the A's are in which is going for a world series title in 2014 and 2015.

Other teams and players that possibly could be trading partners if they're in anyway interested in Pomeranz are the same that's been mentioned many times this season with the likes of Ramirez(CHW), Prado(AZ), Rollins(PHI).
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Posted: 07/05/2014 6:33 AM

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The A's have made a huge power grab in the AL, because all those other teams who want/need starting pitching for a playoff position will have to deal with not a rebuilding team but one who they will potentially face in the postseason. Most likely they'll deal a starter to the NL, but will still be in a position of power as a seller in a buyer's market with no particular desperation to move anyone if worse comes to worse.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 6:51 AM

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OakballsHCF wrote: The crazy thing is, what about next year when Griffin and Parker could be coming back from TJS.
Griffin won't be back before June 2015 at the earliest.

Parker's career is in serious jeopardy.  He may return late 2015 as a reliever, but this is his second TJS, so the odds are his career is over.  It would be an awesome turn of events if he can regain form, but sadly he probably will never be the same again.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 7:04 AM

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athleticpride wrote: What the heck do the NYY have to offer to land Samardzija from the A's? 
How about Hammel for Brian Roberts?  Rental pitcher for rental second bseman.  The point is, the Yankees, Blue Jays, and every other team that was looking for starting pitching now has two fewer targets... unless they look to the A's.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 7:12 AM

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Griffin is out for at least part of next year and is more a depth option next year. Parker career as a SP is a question mark and I expect him back as a RP for next year more than a SP.

Here's how I rank the A's SP depth chart:

1. Kazmir
2. Gray
3. Samardzija
4. Chavez
5a. (tie).Hammels
5b (tie) Milone
5c. (tie) Pomeranz
8. Mills

If the A's trade Samardzija, then I'd really hate this trade. That's basically following in the footsteps of the Holliday trade. You're not getting a prospect who's as good as Russell back. Hammels is the guy the A's tried to trade to the Yankees and he's the guy you should move. Pomeranz is a guy the A's could move but, not sure if there's enough value to do it.

In terms of what the A's staff should look like now:

SP Kazmir
SP Gray
SP Samardzija
SP Hammels
SP Milone

SP/RP Chavez
RP Doolittle
RP Gregerson
RP Abad
RP Otero
RP Cook
RP O'Flaherty

Hope that Mills takes the AAA assignment. He looks like a serviceable #5 SP. Not that I'd cry if the A's lose him. Chavez can make a spot start to give Gray some rest and possibly to give the others an extra day of rest as needed. Pomeranz still needs to do a rehab assignment and he'll have to be able to field his position before that can happen so, the earliest return is late July. When he does, he probably goes to AAA to work on a change up and serve as SP depth.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 7:48 AM

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I'd go with a 6 man rotation and skip someone each time through. Kazmir is brittle and Gray and Chavez are approaching IP highs - Chavez may already be there.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 9:03 AM

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WaddellCanseco wrote: I'd go with a 6 man rotation and skip someone each time through. Kazmir is brittle and Gray and Chavez are approaching IP highs - Chavez may already be there.
The six-man rotation is one of those ideas that seems good, but doesn't seem to work.  Like, having three pitchers pitch three innings each; or not having a closer and using your best relief pitcher in the highest leverage situations.

It seems hard for starters to stay sharp with more days between starts, and sinker ball pitchers seem to need a little tiredness in the arm.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 9:10 AM

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Eckersley wrote:
WaddellCanseco wrote: I'd go with a 6 man rotation and skip someone each time through. Kazmir is brittle and Gray and Chavez are approaching IP highs - Chavez may already be there.
The six-man rotation is one of those ideas that seems good, but doesn't seem to work.  Like, having three pitchers pitch three innings each; or not having a closer and using your best relief pitcher in the highest leverage situations.

It seems hard for starters to stay sharp with more days between starts, and sinker ball pitchers seem to need a little tiredness in the arm.
They don't get an extra day off if you skip a turn for each of them each time through.  If you want to think of it like Chavez is getting up in innings, let's skip him this time through, and next time Kazmir is tired so let's skip him this turn and next time Gray is getting close to his innings limit, let's skip him, etc. go ahead.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 10:55 AM

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Hammel should be moved if they can. He's a journeyman who has never been very good. Still confused why he was even included over someone who could fill the hole at 2nd like Alcantara or even Starlin Castro. Hammel just doesn't make sense on this roster given the alternatives. Wonder if the Cubs required he be included with Samardzija since they weren't going to get much in return for him on his own.
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Posted: 07/05/2014 11:13 AM

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jclay09 wrote: Hammel should be moved if they can. He's a journeyman who has never been very good. Still confused why he was even included over someone who could fill the hole at 2nd like Alcantara or even Starlin Castro. Hammel just doesn't make sense on this roster given the alternatives. Wonder if the Cubs required he be included with Samardzija since they weren't going to get much in return for him on his own.
Then you've got both Milone and Chavez in the rotation
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