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Should The A's Go All In On David Price?

  • TheShef
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Posted: 07/01/2014 4:39 PM

Should The A's Go All In On David Price? 


What do you guys think?

Let's be honest, it's going to cost Addison Russell.  I'm going to assume Addison Russell and Dan Straily gets it done.  But let's be clear this comes down to trading Addison Russell to boost the starting rotation.

On the one hand, we have the best record in MLB, so this really is a year to go for it.

On the other hand, it would be really tough to trade a potential All Star, and we have financial limitations.  We need players like Addison Russell to continue to succeed.

It's really 50/50 for me right now.

Last edited 07/01/2014 4:41 PM by TheShef

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Posted: 07/01/2014 5:05 PM

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We need Russell more than we need another front-line starter, now or for the future. The development of homegrown (drafted) position players for the A's has been abysmal, and they'll need him to be an anchor after the current crop of stars reaches their free agency years.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 5:20 PM

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I think the A's should call up Russell if he OPSs .900 thru July.  He already projects to hit about as well as Sogard, but at SS.  I say fukc waiting for peak production years, the contention window is now!
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Posted: 07/01/2014 5:39 PM

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they arent elite prospects but if you are convinced that robertson and even pinder can be serviceable SS's they you can consider trades for russell. i would sign lowrie to a 2-3 yr extension if they did trade russell
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Posted: 07/01/2014 7:16 PM

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I think it's going to take a lot more than just Russell who'd clearly be the centerpiece of the trade from the A's standpoint and Straily who's been very much up and down since being sent to AAA almost two months ago after the first week of May. Even if Straily came back to the bigs and "gets it" he's probably at best a #4 on a good team's rotation but one good thing about him is he's controlled thru 2018 so he'll be pretty cheap for the next 3-4 years which is something a team like the A's and TB covet.

TB and I wrote a post about it a few weeks ago talking about their farm system and their lack of success with their first round draft picks over the past 4-5 years especially I'd guess would want back an elite top 10-15 positional prospect in return who's close to MLB ready which Russell is even though he's missed basically the first two months of this 2014 season in the minors. TB's farm system isn't what it used to be it looks as they have a lot more talent that's more MLB ready with their pitching prospects than they do with their positional prospects with TB having spent four 1st round picks on pitchers since 2011. They do still have a potentially pretty good young rotation right now with Archer, Cobb, Odorizzi and they just called up one of their top young arms in the minors with Colome. Not to mention Moore likely will come back sometime in the 1st half of 2015 after he had TJS earlier this season.

What TB lacks is offense and Russell surely would be part of the TB's long term offensive plans for the rest of this decade centered around Longoria who's signed thru the early 2020s along with Myers and Jennings if he were dealt there. Other teams that I could see involved with trying to trade for Price who have the types of prospects I think TB would be looking for in return are LAD with Pederson/Seager and STL with Tavares. Other contending teams like the midgets, MIL, NYY, BAL and a couple of others I don't see them having the positional prospects to get anything close to being done with TB in regards to acquiring Price.

As for whether I'd trade Russell and other pieces for Price? Tough decision. The A's time to make a serious championship run could be these next two seasons when you have Cespedes and Kazmir around. A's or any contending team no doubt would LOVE to land Price who you'd put as your #1 or at worst #2 in the case of a team like the LAD in your playoff rotation. A rotation heading into this 2014 postseason of Price-Kazmi-Gray would look pretty damn formidable and be by far the best rotation the A's have had entering a postseason IMO since the early 2000s teams when they threw out the Big 3.

Even better that Price is signed thru 2015 so unlike with many of the other arms that's being discussed as trade targets for the A's and other contending teams, Price isn't a half or 1/3 of a season rental. I guess in a worst case scenario if the A's were to trade for Price and by mid 2015 the team somehow collapses in some way or another and are out of contention the A's still could trade Price during the 2015 season trade deadline and try to recoup the prospects you gave up to acquire Price but very unlikely you'd get anywhere close to a prospect on a level of a Russell not to mention the other 2-3 pieces I'd think it'll take to acquire Price this year.

I'd just hate to give up on Russell who is the A's best prospects probably dating back to the 96-97 seasons when they called up both Chavez/Tejada. Course there is no guarantee that Russell actually becomes an all star level type of player which is what Chavez/Tejada were for many years though the consensus there is a pretty damn good chance he does live up to the hype and becomes one of the best SS for the next decade one he reaches the bigs.

In the end I'd slightly lean towards not trading for Price as I think Russell has a chance to be the face of the A's franchise for much of the next decade and who knows he could even help the big league team if he somehow reaches the bigs best case later this 2014 season if he gets red hot over the next month or two just as we saw last year when BOS called up Bogaerts.

I'd probably be in more favor for a more modest upgrade in the rotation by acquiring the likes of a McCarthy(AZ) or Kennedy(SD) who'd cost a lot cheaper in terms of what you'd have to give up to acquire him.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 7:45 PM

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Just as I'm about done with the above post, I see this.

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter
David Price is locked in. Rays ace strikes out 9 in 7 IP while holding Yankees to 1 run. Tampa Bay wins, 2-1.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
#rays said to eye elite #dodgers prospects in potential price deal, but LA should be careful. cbsprt.co/1qP3C4L

...honestly I still think LAD is where Price ultimately lands in the long run, whether they trade for him this year or sign him as a FA after 2015. Big question for the LAD if they trade for him within the next month who between Beckett and Haren moves to the pen as a long man?
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Posted: 07/01/2014 8:11 PM

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I don't think the A's have a shot at Price especially the money he is owed and it would take more than Russell and Straily. You could sell out for success now but the A's also have to start thinking about the future and their minor league system isn't as good right now as it has been in the past.

For another arm I think we should go middle of the road if it didn't take to much. Maybe a Kennedy, Ziegler maybe Haren maybe even revisit some trade chances they had during the winter.

But getting Price would cost the A's to much with no guarantee that it would pay off.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 8:17 PM

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if dodgers wanted price they could trade pederson, seager, and some of their upper level pitching. thats more valuer than any A's offer
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Posted: 07/01/2014 9:32 PM

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Would consider giving up Russell for only one player. And that is Price. Because:

1. An unhittable starter is what wins postseason series for you. It was that way with Koufax, Gibson, Lolich back in my youth. Win 3 out of the 7, or now, 2 of the 5. See Verlander.

2. Price is good enough so that we get compensation when he leaves a free agent. And I think he'd be a draw that would sell some tickets.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 9:52 PM

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KingNat wrote: We need Russell more than we need another front-line starter, now or for the future. The development of homegrown (drafted) position players for the A's has been abysmal, and they'll need him to be an anchor after the current crop of stars reaches their free agency years.
THIS!          And I might add that I consider it blasphemy to even  think about dealing Russell. disbelief
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Posted: 07/01/2014 9:52 PM

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Probably not worth trading Russell. The postseason is littered with teams who had dominant starters but still lost their first series. Not that having a great pitcher is a bad thing, but it doesn't guarantee much. I'd rather get more postseason shots, and hope one breaks through, and Russell is the type of player who can extend a window.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 10:13 PM

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I don't know if you can say past results are not indicative of future results but Price has struggled in his post season career, at least as a starter. He was great in the 08 playoffs when he came out of the pen as rookie going 5.2 ip 2 h er 4 bb 8 k. In his four other appearances in the postseason since, all as a starter? 26.1 ip 33 h 17 er 3 bb 22 k granted that strikeout to walk ratio is still damn good and he actually pitched a okay game in 2011 ALDS vs TEX.

Kershaw who most would consider the best pitcher in the game right now also has struggled in the postseason with a career 4.23 era which included two blowout losses in 09 vs PHI in the ALCS and just last year in the 2013 ALCS against STL in a due for die game for the LAD.

Just to let you know too Kazmir hasn't had a great history in the postseason either. 5.20 era/1.73 whip in 8 career appearances with TB and LAA.

Now you can also point to Sabathia who struggled in his postseason career with both CLE/MIL from 07 and 08 where he had a era of 9.47 era and 2.47 whip in 3 starts. But he signed with the NYY and in the 2010 postseason where the NYY won the world series he had 1.98 era and 0.85 whip in 5 starts.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 11:16 PM

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athleticpride wrote: I don't know if you can say past results are not indicative of future results

It's more that a few innings (comparatively) of postseason work are not very indicative of future results. I'm not down on a Price deal because I feel history has proven him to bad in the postseason. It's just that anything can swing a game or series and even if Price pitches very well, a dropped fly ball or a game in which the bats go silent can cause it to all go for naught.

Sure, by that same token, Price could be one of those "anythings" that can swing a game or series, but I'd rather not trade 6+ cost-controlled seasons of a possible star shortstop on that pretty small hope. Of course, I'm one of the people who believe baseball postseasons are crapshoots, so I put the emphasis on reaching the playoffs as often as possible as opposed to trying to field one or two "loaded" teams.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 12:21 AM

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Minstrel wrote:

Sure, by that same token, Price could be one of those "anythings" that can swing a game or series, but I'd rather not trade 6+ cost-controlled seasons of a possible star shortstop on that pretty small hope. Of course, I'm one of the people who believe baseball postseasons are crapshoots, so I put the emphasis on reaching the playoffs as often as possible as opposed to trying to field one or two "loaded" teams.
That's how we should be thinking as A's fans at this point. We've seen the organization trade for and throw in everything but the kitchen sink, teams loaded with front-line starters, dominant relievers, and great hitters, only to have them fail in the postseason. There is no one player who can win a pennant or World Series for a team (not even Verlander), but we've seen plenty of teams who stuck together and played great for several seasons finally break through and win one. When you have 87-win teams winning the World Series, I don't see how it can be anything but a crapshoot once you get there.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 8:32 AM

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As much as I'd love to have Price in our rotation, I wouldn't trade Russell for him.  I believe the Rays would be justified in demanding him as the centerpiece of the prospect package (Price is, after all, an elite pitcher.)  However, from the A's standpoint, Price wouldn't be under team control long enough to make it worthwhile - I believe just a year and a half.  If the Rays could be persuaded to move on a package centered around Robertson, then I would be fine if the A's made a big play for Price.  I just don't see that happening, though.  About the only pitcher I can think of that I would give up Russell for would be Chris Sale.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 8:45 AM

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Elasmobranche wrote: As much as I'd love to have Price in our rotation, I wouldn't trade Russell for him.  I believe the Rays would be justified in demanding him as the centerpiece of the prospect package (Price is, after all, an elite pitcher.)  However, from the A's standpoint, Price wouldn't be under team control long enough to make it worthwhile - I believe just a year and a half.  If the Rays could be persuaded to move on a package centered around Robertson, then I would be fine if the A's made a big play for Price.  I just don't see that happening, though.  About the only pitcher I can think of that I would give up Russell for would be Chris Sale.
I wouldn't give up Russell for Chris Sale or any pitcher.  They're just too fragile.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 10:16 AM

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Go big or go home.  Trade Russel and any/every other spare part for Price and Zobrist.  Do that deal and this team wins the WS.  We would have Price next year as well so we could when Parker and Griffin return next year we will have an overabundance of top starters that we can use to trade for the next Addison Russell (or Josh Donaldson).
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Posted: 07/02/2014 10:22 AM

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Oaktown2 wrote: Go big or go home.  Trade Russel and any/every other spare part for Price and Zobrist.  Do that deal and this team wins the WS.  We would have Price next year as well so we could when Parker and Griffin return next year we will have an overabundance of top starters that we can use to trade for the next Addison Russell (or Josh Donaldson).
The last time the A's traded for a star only to trade him later it went CarGo-Holliday-Wallace-Taylor-Sanchez

What happens if we trade Russell for Price, and Price allows 5 earned in 4 and 2/3 in the ALDS?
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Posted: 07/02/2014 10:58 AM

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I get your concern and it's one that crossed my mind as well.  Yet, Russell isn't without his own risks.  He may never make it in the Majors or, while making it, still prove to be a major disappointment.  Prospects can, and do, fail - even premium prospects.  As exciting as he is, he is far from a sure bet. 

All that being said, I'm in no hurry for the A's to trade him.  If the deadline passes and we're still "saddled" with him - I'm perfectly fine with that.  In fact, the idea of a future middle infield of Russell and Robertson seems really exciting to me.  (Robertson is really turning in a fine performance this season in the Cal League and doing so as one of its youngest players.)
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Posted: 07/02/2014 11:09 AM

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blee1134 wrote:
Oaktown2 wrote: Go big or go home.  Trade Russel and any/every other spare part for Price and Zobrist.  Do that deal and this team wins the WS.  We would have Price next year as well so we could when Parker and Griffin return next year we will have an overabundance of top starters that we can use to trade for the next Addison Russell (or Josh Donaldson).
The last time the A's traded for a star only to trade him later it went CarGo-Holliday-Wallace-Taylor-Sanchez

What happens if we trade Russell for Price, and Price allows 5 earned in 4 and 2/3 in the ALDS?
What if he throws 4 perfect games in the World Series?  You pays your money and you takes your chances.
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