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A's owners illegally funneled money to ultrarightwing Koch group

Posted: 10/24/2013 7:09 PM

A's owners illegally funneled money to ultrarightwing Koch group 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/gap-calif ornia-dark-money_n_4159516.html


"WASHINGTON -- Well-known corporate chiefs funded illegal "dark money" contributions to groups in the Koch brothers' political network involved in Thursday's record campaign finance settlement in California, according to settlement documents.

Members of the Fisher family, founders of the Gap clothing chain, plowed more than $8 million into the dark money campaign to defeat Gov. Jerry Brown's tax increase, Proposition 30, and to support the anti-union Proposition 32, in the 2012 elections, according to partially redacted documents supplied by Americans for Job Security, a group that handled contributions that figured in Thursday's settlement."

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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:25 PM

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Blech. That's really, really disappointing.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:27 PM

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Oooh!  A reason to sign back in and post!  Now I've REALLY got some serious love lost for the A's.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:40 PM

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Things go better with Koch... wink
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:55 PM

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Eh shocking rich folks trying to save every penny...good thing casual fans of the A's don't know who the fisher family is...tell me this if Fisher gives money to the tea party but for every 1 million he raises A's payroll 10 million...we will all be cool with it..
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Posted: 10/24/2013 10:19 PM

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SELL!

Posted: 10/24/2013 10:41 PM

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Step away from the koolaid.

Nothing says they did anything wrong. They gave to a nonprofit who gave to another who did something wrong.

The hysterical ranting of the Koch's is laughable. I don't agree with all of their politics, but there is nothing wrong with giving to conservative causes. Guess what, they are conservatives.

They also give hundreds of millions of dollars to apolitical causes like medical research and hospitals. Are they ruthless businessmen? Probably. Most of the super successful are.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:52 AM

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Use of the word illegal in this case seems to be saying they did something wrong.

Posted: 10/25/2013 6:44 AM

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They broke campaign finance laws.

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--- DaaronB wrote:

Step away from the koolaid.

Nothing says they did anything wrong. They gave to a nonprofit who gave to another who did something wrong.

The hysterical ranting of the Koch's is laughable. I don't agree with all of their politics, but there is nothing wrong with giving to conservative causes. Guess what, they are conservatives.

They also give hundreds of millions of dollars to apolitical causes like medical research and hospitals. Are they ruthless businessmen? Probably. Most of the super successful are.

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Last edited 10/25/2013 6:47 AM by georgethev

Posted: 10/25/2013 7:28 AM

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georgethev wrote: They broke campaign finance laws.

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--- DaaronB wrote:

Step away from the koolaid.

Nothing says they did anything wrong. They gave to a nonprofit who gave to another who did something wrong.

The hysterical ranting of the Koch's is laughable. I don't agree with all of their politics, but there is nothing wrong with giving to conservative causes. Guess what, they are conservatives.

They also give hundreds of millions of dollars to apolitical causes like medical research and hospitals. Are they ruthless businessmen? Probably. Most of the super successful are.

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I guess you didn't actually read the article.  Here let me help:

“The California state authorities have determined that the conduct of Americans for Job Security was consistent with California law and did not require disclosure of our members," Americans for Job Security president Stephen DeMaura said. "We are gratified by these conclusions and agree with them. We cooperated in the investigation by producing documents and providing witness testimony, without disclosing the identities of our members. Americans for Job Security is committed to protecting the First Amendment rights of its members.”
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:34 AM

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Interesting...I didn't know there were any campaign finance laws left to break these days.

Posted: 10/25/2013 7:49 AM

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Step away from the koolaid gtv.

The people who donated have not been implicated. They merely participated in the political system the way the laws are written.

I am an independent voter, but anything written by a journalist that even remotely touches a Koch brother nearly always has a near underworld tone.

Frankly, these political finance laws are really complicated and prosecution is often politically motivated. A few weeks ago, can't remember the guys name who was a republican in Texas and convicted of campaign finance law violations, not only had his conviction overturned on appeal, the judges who overturned the conviction went on record of implication the prosecutor of wrongful prosecution.

Most of what we read about political things are either lies or distort ions.

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--- georgethev wrote:

They broke campaign finance laws.

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--- DaaronB wrote:

Step away from the koolaid.

Nothing says they did anything wrong. They gave to a nonprofit who gave to another who did something wrong.

The hysterical ranting of the Koch's is laughable. I don't agree with all of their politics, but there is nothing wrong with giving to conservative causes. Guess what, they are conservatives.

They also give hundreds of millions of dollars to apolitical causes like medical research and hospitals. Are they ruthless businessmen? Probably. Most of the super successful are.

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Posted: 10/25/2013 8:11 AM

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You quoted the spokesman for the group that had to agree to a settlement with the state. Of course he said that they didn't do anything wrong. .....while his organization hands over money to the state for the violation.

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georgethev wrote: They broke campaign finance laws.

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--- DaaronB wrote:

Step away from the koolaid.

Nothing says they did anything wrong. They gave to a nonprofit who gave to another who did something wrong.

The hysterical ranting of the Koch's is laughable. I don't agree with all of their politics, but there is nothing wrong with giving to conservative causes. Guess what, they are conservatives.

They also give hundreds of millions of dollars to apolitical causes like medical research and hospitals. Are they ruthless businessmen? Probably. Most of the super successful are.

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I guess you didn't actually read the article.  Here let me help:

“The California state authorities have determined that the conduct of Americans for Job Security was consistent with California law and did not require disclosure of our members," Americans for Job Security president Stephen DeMaura said. "We are gratified by these conclusions and agree with them. We cooperated in the investigation by producing documents and providing witness testimony, without disclosing the identities of our members. Americans for Job Security is committed to protecting the First Amendment rights of its members.”

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Posted: 10/25/2013 10:00 AM

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Step away from the koolaid gtv.

The spokesman for the group indicated was not part of the violation and neither are they handing over any money. That is 2 other nonprofits (a patient rights nonprofit and ARL).

About the only thing that has been established is that the A's principle owners have donated money to political causes that they believe in and gtv misrepresents every fact.


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--- georgethev wrote:

You quoted the spokesman for the group that had to agree to a settlement with the state. Of course he said that they didn't do anything wrong. .....while his organization hands over money to the state for the violation.

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--- WaddellCanseco wrote:


georgethev wrote: They broke campaign finance laws.

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--- DaaronB wrote:

Step away from the koolaid.

Nothing says they did anything wrong. They gave to a nonprofit who gave to another who did something wrong.

The hysterical ranting of the Koch's is laughable. I don't agree with all of their politics, but there is nothing wrong with giving to conservative causes. Guess what, they are conservatives.

They also give hundreds of millions of dollars to apolitical causes like medical research and hospitals. Are they ruthless businessmen? Probably. Most of the super successful are.

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I guess you didn't actually read the article.  Here let me help:

“The California state authorities have determined that the conduct of Americans for Job Security was consistent with California law and did not require disclosure of our members," Americans for Job Security president Stephen DeMaura said. "We are gratified by these conclusions and agree with them. We cooperated in the investigation by producing documents and providing witness testimony, without disclosing the identities of our members. Americans for Job Security is committed to protecting the First Amendment rights of its members.”

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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:45 PM

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georgethev wrote: You quoted the spokesman for the group that had to agree to a settlement with the state. Of course he said that they didn't do anything wrong. .....while his organization hands over money to the state for the violation.

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--- WaddellCanseco wrote:


georgethev wrote: They broke campaign finance laws.

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--- DaaronB wrote:

Step away from the koolaid.

Nothing says they did anything wrong. They gave to a nonprofit who gave to another who did something wrong.

The hysterical ranting of the Koch's is laughable. I don't agree with all of their politics, but there is nothing wrong with giving to conservative causes. Guess what, they are conservatives.

They also give hundreds of millions of dollars to apolitical causes like medical research and hospitals. Are they ruthless businessmen? Probably. Most of the super successful are.

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I guess you didn't actually read the article.  Here let me help:

“The California state authorities have determined that the conduct of Americans for Job Security was consistent with California law and did not require disclosure of our members," Americans for Job Security president Stephen DeMaura said. "We are gratified by these conclusions and agree with them. We cooperated in the investigation by producing documents and providing witness testimony, without disclosing the identities of our members. Americans for Job Security is committed to protecting the First Amendment rights of its members.”

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The "settlement" was based on a court victory won by AJC in a case against FEC.  It's not that the AJC "had to agree" to a settlement, but that the CFPP "had to agree" to the settlement because the federal organization (FEC) lost their court battle against AJC.   From Fact Check:

AJS is organized as a 501(c)6 "business league," and does not disclose its donors. It says only that its members are "businesses, business leaders and entrepreneurs." In 2008, staff lawyers for the Federal Election Commission saw "reason to believe" that AJS had violated federal election law by, among other things, failing to register as a political committee and failing to disclose its donors. But in 2009 the three Republican commissioners on the FEC blocked any action, voting to dismiss the case while the three Democratic commissioners voted to pursue it. Since a majority is required for the FEC to act, the partisan 3-3 deadlock killed any enforcement action against AJS. When the Supreme Court later struck down longstanding federal laws against campaign spending by corporations and labor unions, AJS President DeMaura told the Wall Street Journal the decision was an "unequivocal victory" for those "who believe in free speech and the rights of organizations such as ours to promote our point of view."



Another Huffington Post article describes the situation thus:

The settlement involves an $11 million contribution from the previously unknown Arizona-based nonprofit Americans for Responsible Leadership to the Small Business Action Committee, which opposed Gov. Jerry Brown's tax increase initiative in last year's elections. Common Cause California spotted the contribution and reported it to the Fair Political Practices Commission, which began an investigation.

AJC is not mentioned in that article, and was not found to be guilty of anything other than not abiding by portions of a law that was later overturned by the Supreme  Court.

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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:02 PM

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I have to draw the line someplace.  I don't give a sh!t if it was legal.  They gave money to a union and environment-hating empire.  Some people like to cheer for their own destruction from the sides of the Thunderdome.  I don't.  They lost my business.

Which, funnily enough, they want.  They know tons of their Oakland fans are progressives or Democrats.  They love this press.  I'm through.  Let San Jose and the (largely) insidious tech sector have 'em.

Last edited 10/25/2013 3:08 PM by sleepingcobra

Posted: 10/25/2013 4:05 PM

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The good news Cobra is that if you are only going to spend money will union loving, Eco friendly businesses, you are going to have a nice nest egg saved for retirement because there are not many of those out there.

The fact is that you have a choice where to put your money as do they. Of course, every time you watch TV you also put money in their pocket.

Unfortunately, what you do to take the place of watching the A's is probably stained with Koch money to some degree.
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I have to draw the line someplace.  I don't give a sh!t if it was legal.  They gave money to a union and environment-hating empire.  Some people like to cheer for their own destruction from the sides of the Thunderdome.  I don't.  They lost my business.

Which, funnily enough, they want.  They know tons of their Oakland fans are progressives or Democrats.  They love this press.  I'm through.  Let San Jose and the (largely) insidious tech sector have 'em.

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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:41 PM

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sleepingcobra wrote: I have to draw the line someplace.  I don't give a sh!t if it was legal.  They gave money to a union and environment-hating empire.  Some people like to cheer for their own destruction from the sides of the Thunderdome.  I don't.  They lost my business.

Which, funnily enough, they want.  They know tons of their Oakland fans are progressives or Democrats.  They love this press.  I'm through.  Let San Jose and the (largely) insidious tech sector have 'em.
It's a little amusing to see the tech sector called "insidious" on a website.

Posted: 10/25/2013 6:24 PM

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1) stop saying "stop drinking the koolaid" in every single post.  it just makes you sound stupid. 

2) ok, a correction. to be more accurate, it should say:  A's owners funded money to disgusting political group that illegally spent that money in order to influence elections anonymously by laundering that money.

Better?

Posted: 10/25/2013 6:27 PM

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I'll just leave THIS here....

sleepingcobra wrote: I have to draw the line someplace.  I don't give a sh!t if it was legal.  They gave money to a union and environment-hating empire.  Some people like to cheer for their own destruction from the sides of the Thunderdome.  I don't.  They lost my business.

Which, funnily enough, they want.  They know tons of their Oakland fans are progressives or Democrats.  They love this press.  I'm through.  Let San Jose and the (largely) insidious tech sector have 'em.
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