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Projecting The 2013 Starting Rotation

Posted: 02/08/2013 12:41 PM

Projecting The 2013 Starting Rotation 


http://goldengatesports.com/2013/02/08/oakland-as- projecting-the-2013-starting-rotation/
1. Anderson
2. Parker
3. Milone
4. Griffin
5. Colon/Straily

Dark horse: Blackley

What do you think?

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Posted: 02/08/2013 1:04 PM

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I think it will start out like this...

1. Anderson
2. Parker
3. Colon
4. Milone
5. Griffin

6. Straily
7. Blackley

I think Blackley will start out in the bullpen if everybody is healthy. Straily has an outside shot to beat out Griffin for the #5, but I think most likely he starts the season in AAA.

I have my doubts about Colon holding up in the rotation, but I think he's got a spot in the rotation locked up to start the season, unless perhaps he looks horrible in spring.

My guess is that pending health, the rotation will look like this at some point in the season;

1. Anderson
2. Parker
3. Milone
4. Griffin
5. Straily
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Posted: 02/08/2013 1:13 PM

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I would like the A's to add some SP AAA depth

but i guess Straily or Griffin/Gray/Werner/Billings/Banwart isnt so bad as reinforcements.
They also signed garrett olson who has alot of AAA SP experience. Theres also carlos hernandez who had some sleeper hype a couple yrs ago, but has struggled since
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Posted: 02/08/2013 1:40 PM

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Since Colon is suspended for first 5 games, he will probably start game #6. Anderson, Parker, Milone, Griffin, Spot Starter, Colon.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 1:48 PM

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jaylandsman wrote: Since Colon is suspended for first 5 games, he will probably start game #6. Anderson, Parker, Milone, Griffin, Spot Starter, Colon.
Right...forgot about that.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 1:49 PM

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This is my rotation depth chart:

1. Brett Anderson
    As long as he's healthy, he's our best starter
2. Jarrod Parker
    He could give Anderson a run for the money
3. Tommy Milone
    Young and very promising if he can rein in the longballs
4. Travis Blackley
    I don't think we can store him in AAA, and I think he could be a Colby Lewis
    comeback type story
5. Dan Straily
    He could make the jump to front-end rotation guy this season
6. AJ Griffin
    He was great last year and young, so if anyone falters, I think he'll get a shot
    quickly
7. Bartolo Colon
    He's the real wild card.  He may be our 3rd best starter.  But he also got
    busted for PEDs and has no future with this team.  I would not block the
    other guys from the rotation for Colon unless he was significantly outperforming

I would probably start Griffin in AAA, and Colon as the long-man/mop up guy.  Of course this could all change depending on how guys look in spring training.  This becomes a lot easier if Travis Blackley isn't really any good, etc...

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Posted: 02/08/2013 1:59 PM

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There are so many issues to think about with this rotation.  Here is the first of many that pops into my mind.  

Should AJ Griffin be ahead of Dan Straily on the depth chart?

AJ Griffin vs. Dan Straily

AJ Griffin born: Jan 28, 1988
Dan Straily born: Dec 1, 1988

AAA
AJ Griffin: 3.07 ERA, 47/11 K/BB, 3 HR, 58.2 IP
Dan Straily: 2.03 ERA, 82/19 K/BB, 3 HR, 66.2 IP

MLB
AJ Griffin: 3.06 ERA, 64/19 K/BB, 10 HR, 82.1 IP
Dan Straily: 3.89 ERA, 32/16 K/BB, 11 HR, 39.1 IP

Griffin outperformed Straily in MLB, but Straily was the incredible in the minors.  Discuss!

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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:03 PM

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I'm guessing both will be in the rotation most of the year. I doubt Colon will do much and won't last long. Anderson has a long history of injuries and almost certainly will spend time on the DL. In fact, as you all know, you better have at least seven bonafide starters if you intend to compete...every team has starters go down during the year with either injuries or underperformance. Heck...seven may be too few.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:04 PM

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Shocked to see a couple of you so low on Griffin. Really? He went 7-1 with a 3.06 ERA, 1.130 WHIP, and 3.37 SO/BB, and 7 k's per 9 innings as a rookie. You think this guy will start the season in AAA? I saw a guy with a great feel for pitching and pretty good stuff who looks like he'll be a fixture in a MLB rotation if healthy for the next decade or so.

Blackley is very unlikely to start the season in the rotation. I think he's penciled in for long relief and injury insurance.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:08 PM

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I'm not low on Griffin actually.  It's just that I think Blackley could be a Ryan Vogelsong type and we can't stash Blackley in AAA.  We can stash Straily, Griffin, Milone in AAA, and I'm simply picking Straily and Milone over Griffin.  If Blackley isn't that good, then yeah I'd use him as long-man mop up.  I just saw a lot of potential in Blackley.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:08 PM

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BanditoB wrote: Shocked to see a couple of you so low on Griffin. Really? He went 7-1 with a 3.06 ERA, 1.130 WHIP, and 3.37 SO/BB, and 7 k's per 9 innings as a rookie. You think this guy will start the season in AAA? I saw a guy with a great feel for pitching and pretty good stuff who looks like he'll be a fixture in a MLB rotation if healthy for the next decade or so.

This. You don't reward a guy like that with a trip back to AAA. Naysayers claim Griffin is bound to crash back to earth, but until he does, he'll start in Oakland.

"Today's one of those days, where the white shoes look a little shinier and feel a little better." --Bob Melvin
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:12 PM

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Anderson
Parker
Colon
Griffin
Milone
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:16 PM

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If the A's didnt deal Peacock, I probably would have cut Blackley and let Staily pitch out of the pen until one or both of griffin and milone ultimately falter.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:17 PM

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To me Blackley is the biggest unknown and we can't stash him in AAA, we'll lose him to waiver claim.  What if he has blossomed into a #2 starter type?  We can never know the answer to that if we relegate him to mop up man duty.  There is a spot open for Straily or Griffin and the other can continue to develop in AAA.

I think all of these guys can outperform Colon, and Colon has no future on the team.  To me his only role is insurance.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:22 PM

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TheShef wrote: To me Blackley is the biggest unknown and we can't stash him in AAA, we'll lose him to waiver claim.  What if he has blossomed into a #2 starter type?  We can never know the answer to that if we relegate him to mop up man duty. 

There's essentially zero chance that Blackley has #2 starter talent without people discovering it even if he starts out in the bullpen. First of all, he can pitch well out of the pen. Second of all, the chances of all of the A's other starters making every start (no injuries, no drop-off in performance) is pretty close to nil.

I think it makes the most sense to start the players you believe to be the most talented and if that relegates Blackley to the bullpen, so be it. If he's super-talented, it will still show.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:59 PM

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I'm excited to see both Griffin and Straily battle it out in spring. Long term I think Straily will be better, but Griffin has done nothing but succeed in the bigs. He made me very nervous in the postseason though. Either way somebody is going to get sent down who probably deserves a shot as long as the rotation is healthy and Colon is still on the team.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 3:06 PM

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Barring injuries Straily starts out the season in AAA. My depth chart looks like this:

1 Anderson
2 Parker
3 Milone
4 Colon
5 Griffin
6 Straily
7 Blackley

I think that's a solid seven in terms of depth. I'm more high on Griffin than Straily for that 5 spot so it gives Straily time to develop a bit more in Sac.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 4:28 PM

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Blackley did not look impressive to me. I feel like he was more smoke and mirrors than Millone or Griffin. I saw Griffin pitch several times and I think he is for real. With his curve he just has to locate the fastball to be effective I think. Millone is somewhere between the two for me. My rotation would be:

Anderson
Parker
Griffin
Millone
Colon

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Posted: 02/08/2013 5:52 PM

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zitoforpres wrote: If the A's didnt deal Peacock, I probably would have cut Blackley and let Staily pitch out of the pen until one or both of griffin and milone ultimately falter.
Really?????

Any team that hopes a young arm will eventually be a contributor to the 5 man in the near future is never ever going to let him sit in the pen for the occasional long man. They will keep him stretched out and in a routine and design a throwing program. Blackley warms quickly, can spot start, long relief or even throw situationaly if the BP is gassed. Do you put him in the 5 man long term?...not if Straily is doing well.

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Posted: 02/08/2013 5:55 PM

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that's not true. teams put SP in the pen, kinda like what the O's did with Bundy when he was called up.

you keep the guys innings down, and bring him along at the mlb level. Straily is ready to help out a mlb team, A's are trying to compete. no need to waste him at AAA.
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