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This Team Could Suck Next Year...Or Be An Offensive Juggernaut

  • TheShef
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Posted: 01/18/2013 6:37 PM

This Team Could Suck Next Year...Or Be An Offensive Juggernaut 


Last year's black holes were at C, 2B, SS, and 3B

C - John Jaso has the potential to be a huge offensive upgrade

2B - If Jemile Weeks rebounds or Scott Sizemore continues his solid play, this could be another huge jump

SS - If Nakajima pans out, yet another huge jump

3B - Can Josh Donaldson keep up the good work of 2012?

Wow I'm excited!
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Posted: 01/18/2013 6:45 PM

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My platoon right now, of course subject to how people are really performing:

against LHP

C Josh Donaldson
1B Brandon Moss
2B Jemile Weeks
SS Hiroyuki Nakajima
3B Scott Sizemore
RF Chris Young
CF Coco Crisp
LF Yoenis Cespedes
DH Chris Carter

against RHP

C John Jaso
1B Brandon Moss
2B Scott Sizemore
SS Hiroyuki Nakajima
3B Josh Donaldson
RF Josh Reddick
CF Coco Crisp
LF Yoenis Cespedes
DH Seth Smith

This of course assumes Scott Sizemore bounces back and Jemile Weeks can outhit Derek Norris vs LHP
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Posted: 01/18/2013 8:34 PM

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Donaldson is now considered a third baseman and no longer a catcher. He could catch in an emergency only.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 8:37 PM

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I also disagree with the idea that this team could suck next year... they will be competitive. If you think they will suck you can go join zito in hiding.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 8:38 PM

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You know I'm looking over Derek Norris's minor league numbers, maybe I'm being rough on him.  He could have a breakthrough year in 2013.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 9:26 PM

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jayhawkerasfan wrote: I also disagree with the idea that this team could suck next year... they will be competitive. If you think they will suck you can go join zito in hiding.
Anything can happen. Not many people thought the Red Sox would suck so bad last season. I surely didn't.

But I think this is a good team and fully expect them to play like a good team. I don't think we're more likely to suck than any of the other defending division champions in MLB.

On another note...what's all this noise on here about Chris Young being a platoon player? He's proven himself to be a 4+ WAR everyday CFer. He hit over 20 HR's against RHP in a single season just a couple years ago. Not everybody who hits markedly better against one type of pitching should be a platoon player. Chris Young is one of the leagues best defensive CFers and hits both rhp and lhp for power.

No way will Chris Young be used exclusively against LHP, nor should he. He's bringing in around 10 mil next season. Get it through your heads that Chris Young is our everyday CF.

Here's how I'd work the lineups if opening day was today;

RHP
Crisp-DH
Jaso-C
Cespedes-LF
Moss-1b
Young-CF
Reddick-RF
Donaldson-3b
Nakajima-SS
Weeks-2b

LHP
Crisp-LF
Nakajima-SS
Cespedes-DH
Young-CF
Reddick-RF
Carter-1b
Donaldson-3b
Norris-C
Weeks-2b
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Posted: 01/18/2013 9:45 PM

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We're paying Seth Smith over 3 million. I'll make another not-so-bold prediction right now and predict Smith will be traded soon. 3 million is a lot of money for a 5th OF, and his trade value should be decent. Lets not forget Moss can play the corner Of as well, and if he can take that role from Smith it opens up even more time for Carter.

With the question marks about the infield and Moss ability to also play OF, no reason to even keep a 5th OF. Opens up room for an extra infielder. We'll need a backup who can play SS (Parrino most likely), but it'd also be nice to have Sizemore as a platoon option/insurance blanket for Weeks and Donaldson.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 10:10 PM

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No chance this team sucks next year... How can you say that and then end your point by saying you're excited...  This team is a contender.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 10:34 PM

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Chris Young is said to be a platoon player, probablyyyyy due to his platoon splits. Quite evident.

Sizemore should be hitting 2nd, not some international FA who probably can't hit MLB pitching. Carter probably is the A's best hitter vs. LHP, and Reddick is one of the worst.

Finally, even if Cespedes should DH , he won't. DHing him eliminates any chance of resigning. Probably not a good idea to piss off one of your better players for unnecessary reason, he if he is a pretty poor OF.

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Posted: 01/18/2013 10:50 PM

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zitoforpres wrote: Chris Young is said to be a platoon player, probablyyyyy due to his platoon splits. Quite evident.

Sizemore should be hitting 2nd, not some international FA who probably can't hit MLB pitching. Carter probably is the A's best hitter vs. LHP, and Reddick is one of the worst.

Finally, even if Cespedes should DH , he won't. DHing him eliminates any chance of resigning. Probably not a good idea to piss off one of your better players for unnecessary reason, he if he is a pretty poor OF.
Chris Young isn't "said to be" a platoon player anywhere but this board. He has always been a full time CF and will continue to be a full time CF.

Gotta split up righty/lefty which is why Carter is protecting Reddick vs LHP. Carter is not the A's best hitter vs LHP, he certainly hasn't proven that yet.

Not surprised you're not high on Nakajima, wasn't long ago you were bashing the Cespedes signing. Pretty sure the A's international scouting crew expects Nak to hit major league pitching, and I'll take their word for it over yours.

The DH should be alternated. I don't see any reason Cespedes won't see any time at DH to keep him fresh. I would not DH him full time...as he's not a "poor OF" like you claim.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 2:40 AM

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Having a platoon split doesn't make you automatically a platoon player. If you're Jonny Gomes and the only thing you can do is hit, then yes you're a platoon player if you can't hit righties well enough. If you're Chris Young and you play great CF defense and run well then you simply bat lower in the order against RHP. 

Regarding Seth Smith, the more I think about him, it's clear to me that I've been writing him off as injury insurance way too easily. I'm not sure anyone except Cespedes can hit righties better than Smith in that OF/DH/1B rotation. Moss, maybe. Big maybe. Smith's too good to be just salary-dumped, or buried on the bench. He needs 400 PA against righties.

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Posted: 01/19/2013 6:49 AM

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I can't see both Sizemore and Weeks making the team.  Neither is good defensively at second or third and if they are both on the team then there is no backup shortstop.  On the careful what you wish for side, if Smith is traded, I think it opens a spot for Barton.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 7:23 AM

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If Young had no platoon split and hit lefties at the same clip as he hits righties he'd be a 3 WAR player instead of 5.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 7:33 AM

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jaylandsman wrote: Having a platoon split doesn't make you automatically a platoon player. If you're Jonny Gomes and the only thing you can do is hit, then yes you're a platoon player if you can't hit righties well enough. If you're Chris Young and you play great CF defense and run well then you simply bat lower in the order against RHP. 

Regarding Seth Smith, the more I think about him, it's clear to me that I've been writing him off as injury insurance way too easily. I'm not sure anyone except Cespedes can hit righties better than Smith in that OF/DH/1B rotation. Moss, maybe. Big maybe. Smith's too good to be just salary-dumped, or buried on the bench. He needs 400 PA against righties.
Of the 4 OF ahead of Smith, only Reddick is durable.  Coco, Cespedes, and Young all have major injury concerns.  Fearless prediction:  Seth Smith stays and gets at least as much playing time as last year.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 7:56 AM

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Yes, pretty much as soon as somebody hits the 15-day DL, entire "surplus" is gone. 7 guys for 5 spots is not a huge crunch, especially with substantial injury concerns and regression potental.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 7:57 AM

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The AL West will be a very tough division in 2013..probably the toughest in all of baseball. Only Houston figures to suck. Seattle and the Angels have improved themselves this offseason, and Texas will still be very good, even without Hamilton. Winning the division will be difficult, but not impossible.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 8:27 AM

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Being reasonable, thoughtful and cautiously optimistic has no place on this board.
Bigfist wrote: The AL West will be a very tough division in 2013..probably the toughest in all of baseball. Only Houston figures to suck. Seattle and the Angels have improved themselves this offseason, and Texas will still be very good, even without Hamilton. Winning the division will be difficult, but not impossible.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 8:32 AM

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Fearless prediction: the Astros won't suck as bad as they have in recent years, and by 2014 they'll be playing as tough as the rest of us.

Bigfist wrote: The AL West will be a very tough division in 2013..probably the toughest in all of baseball. Only Houston figures to suck. Seattle and the Angels have improved themselves this offseason, and Texas will still be very good, even without Hamilton. Winning the division will be difficult, but not impossible.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 9:22 AM

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The AL West was the best division in baseball last year, and the A's won it.

It'll get a bit worse this year because of Houston, which should help a little bit in terms of a possible wild card spot.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 9:37 AM

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jaylandsman wrote:
Regarding Seth Smith, the more I think about him, it's clear to me that I've been writing him off as injury insurance way too easily. I'm not sure anyone except Cespedes can hit righties better than Smith in that OF/DH/1B rotation. Moss, maybe. Big maybe. Smith's too good to be just salary-dumped, or buried on the bench. He needs 400 PA against righties.
I somewhat agree, but much easier said than done with this roster, which is why I expect a trade. Who are you sitting on the bench to get Smith everyday AB's vs RHP? Our other 4 OF's are everyday players. Smith can't play 1b.

With baserunning taken into account, Crisp easily outproduced Smith vs RHP last season. Carter and Moss both outhit Smith vs RHP. What do you do?

There's plenty of other teams in the league who could use Smith's services regularly and should be willing to give up something of value to have him. His name was somewhat big on the trade market last year and he did nothing in Oakland to substantially hurt his value. There should be worthwhile offers on the table, so a trade wouldn't just be a "salary dump".
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