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Coco on the trading block?

  • jbear
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Posted: 01/04/2013 2:41 PM

Coco on the trading block? 


ESPN Insider published an interesting article on the possible trade partners the A's might find for Coco Crisp. Personally, it would have made more financial sense to me if the A's had resigned Steven Drew, but who knows what management has in mind. Anyway, here's part of the article:

"The Reds could use Crisp in center and allow Shin-Soo Choo to play a corner spot, where he's best suited, and clubs such as the Rays, Orioles and Giants could utilize Crisp as a backup centerfielder and regular option in left. The Rangers could see Crisp as a more reliable version of Craig Gentry, though cost involved for such a limited upgrade may prohibit such a move, particular with a division foe.

The Indians, one of Crisp's former teams, could also be a fit, despite the presence of Drew Stubbs and Nick Swisher, and if the Dodgers end up moving Andre Ethier, Bourn or Crisp could give them more defense and the opportunity to slide Matt Kemp to right field where his defense likely proves above average.

If the Rockies end up trading Dexter Fowler, Crisp could be of interest to them as a fill-in, and the Braves could see Crisp as a left field option.

One ideal fit is the Minnesota Twins, who traded away both Denard Span and Ben Revere, and could use a stop-gap between the start of the season and when prospect Aaron Hicks is ready to take over the position. The Mets are another club without an obvious, proven player in center field."

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Posted: 01/04/2013 2:47 PM

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beane won't trade crisp.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:02 PM

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zitoforpres wrote: beane won't trade crisp.
Nor should he.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:05 PM

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young gives you about what you'd get for crisp+a better arm. in fact, i think young is better. More power, better defender, much better arm, but less SBs.

plus if frees up the DH spot for Carter, who is a much better hitter than both.
Moving Crisp makes a ton of sense, but never will happen.

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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:26 PM

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zitoforpres wrote:
Moving Crisp makes a ton of sense, but never will happen.
Nor should it.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:30 PM

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if winning games isnt your top priority, than no, you're right.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:31 PM

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Moving one of Crisp or Young only makes sense if it will fill the gaping hole at 2B or C. Otherwise, the depth in the OF will be quite valuable throughout the season. Having 3 CFs in the OF at almost all times is huge. Allows them to regularly rest guys without fear of a major dropoff.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:37 PM

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jbear wrote:

ESPN Insider published an interesting article on the possible trade partners the A's might find for Coco Crisp. Personally, it would have made more financial sense to me if the A's had resigned Steven Drew, but who knows what management has in mind. Anyway, here's part of the article:

"The Reds could use Crisp in center and allow Shin-Soo Choo to play a corner spot, where he's best suited, and clubs such as the Rays, Orioles and Giants could utilize Crisp as a backup centerfielder and regular option in left. The Rangers could see Crisp as a more reliable version of Craig Gentry, though cost involved for such a limited upgrade may prohibit such a move, particular with a division foe.

The Indians, one of Crisp's former teams, could also be a fit, despite the presence of Drew Stubbs and Nick Swisher, and if the Dodgers end up moving Andre Ethier, Bourn or Crisp could give them more defense and the opportunity to slide Matt Kemp to right field where his defense likely proves above average.

If the Rockies end up trading Dexter Fowler, Crisp could be of interest to them as a fill-in, and the Braves could see Crisp as a left field option.

One ideal fit is the Minnesota Twins, who traded away both Denard Span and Ben Revere, and could use a stop-gap between the start of the season and when prospect Aaron Hicks is ready to take over the position. The Mets are another club without an obvious, proven player in center field."

Link to article on Rumor central: http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.../20130104#15032

This article reeks of incompetence.  It's based off of Jim Bowden (former fired GM) thinking Coco may "lose his job" because of Young.  They don't consider that the A's can use both guys consistently, as Melvin showed he does masterfully last year, and that the DH should allow all 4 guys to play together even.  

More evidence why Bowden was fired in the first place, and why he doesn't get another job.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:39 PM

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DHing Crisp or Young over Carter is asinine. Carter is a much better hitter than both the guys, Smith, and Reddick.Makes as much sense as hitting Stephen Drew 2nd.

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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:46 PM

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If the A's dealt Crisp to free up Carter, a HUGE upgrade on offense, I'd be happy with Reddick instead of Upton.That said, Carter-Upton-Cespedes would be kinda fun.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 4:06 PM

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jclay is right, bowden still pretends he is a GM and Jclay is right not taking him seriously. good work.agreed!!
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Posted: 01/04/2013 4:53 PM

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BigJ7489 wrote:
zitoforpres wrote:
Moving Crisp makes a ton of sense, but never will happen.
Nor should it.
Ditto.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 6:12 PM

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2ble ditto.

To the chagrin of some, Coco was at times one of our best players, leaders and a clutch hitters. This team won the division and yet people think it isn't smart to keep one of the key ingredients to that mix.  I guess now that the afterglow of the great season has started to dissapate the naysayers feel safe coming out again.  As if we won't remember how wrong they were last year...oh well.


oaklady wrote:
BigJ7489 wrote:
zitoforpres wrote:
Moving Crisp makes a ton of sense, but never will happen.
Nor should it.
Ditto.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 6:36 PM

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being aloof to think that the A's will be lucky again with one run games, and texas will collapse again is not the best way to run a team.
Chris is a huge upgrade over Crisp with the bat. Young is the same player as crisp with more power, less speed better arm, is younger, so has more upside.

trying to " keep the band together" with a group of guys who overachieved will land you in 3rd place, quick.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 6:54 PM

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Coco is a team leader and a great ballplayer, I wouldn't trade him unless the offer is simply too good to pass up.

Most of the people who are suggesting Coco "should" be traded were willing to trade him for Lannan early last season. We most likely wouldn't have won the division had that trade gone down. Coco was one of our best hitters and probably our best clutch hitter down the stretch last season. He was also the founder/leader of the Bernie Lean movement, which energized the team and the fanbase last season.

Can't believe I just read ZFP suggest we trade 2 of our team leaders, both of whom are good players...in the same day? No pie? No Bernie Lean? Are you opposed to fun?

Also shows a real lack of knowledge on how to run a team. This is not an office where everybody has their own cubicle and their own tasks. I'm a commercial crab fisherman, and I think my job has given me a good amount of perspective on how important team chemistry is. Some here act like it doesn't exist. If you walked in my boots for just one 15 hour shift you'd probably have a new outlook on these things. You could be the most bad ass physical specimen of a deckhand there is, but if you don't know have the right chemistry with your skipper and don't know how to get the most out of your greenhorn, everybody can die. Not everybody had leadership qualities, and they're extremely important in any type of team business.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 6:59 PM

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BanditoB wrote: 
Also shows a real lack of knowledge on how to run a team. This is not an office where everybody has their own cubicle and their own tasks. I'm a commercial crab fisherman, and I think my job has given me a good amount of perspective on how important team chemistry is. Some here act like it doesn't exist. If you walked in my boots for just one 15 hour shift you'd probably have a new outlook on these things. You could be the most bad ass physical specimen of a deckhand there is, but if you don't know have the right chemistry with your skipper and don't know how to get the most out of your greenhorn, everybody can die. Not everybody had leadership qualities, and they're extremely important in any type of team business.
I think that's the most badass paragraph ever written on this forum.

"Today's one of those days, where the white shoes look a little shinier and feel a little better." --Bob Melvin
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Posted: 01/04/2013 7:10 PM

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if you don't wanna trade Crisp because he's fun, that's cool, i get it. That's your prerogative,  and you are most entitled to it. But please don't try and have a rational baseball conversation, talking about silliness like being clutch(brandon inge lol) and being a team leader.

.Baseball is an individual sport masked as a team game. Baseball is an individual business where individuals look out for themselves, and it is not remotely related towards fishing.Sorry.

If your goal is to actual win a World series, Crisp=<Young, Crisp<<Carter.

talking about leadership in professional sports is on parallel towards referencing the Easter Bunny as an actual entity.
I'm happy Beane doesn't believe in newspaper fluff, otherwise he would have matched the ridiculous contract Boston gave to Gomes.

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Posted: 01/04/2013 7:37 PM

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As opposed to 3rd place LAST season if they had done everything you insisted on... You know, every off season you dismiss what happened the previous season as lucky or a fluke event...then it happens again and rather than face the music you disappear. New off season...same song... But saying what happened last year was "luck" simply because it went against your wishes for the roster is really mind numbing.
zitoforpres wrote: being aloof to think that the A's will be lucky again with one run games, and texas will collapse again is not the best way to run a team.
Chris is a huge upgrade over Crisp with the bat. Young is the same player as crisp with more power, less speed better arm, is younger, so has more upside.

trying to " keep the band together" with a group of guys who overachieved will land you in 3rd place, quick.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 7:43 PM

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records in one run games is purely luck.

texas collapsing down the stretch was unlucky and a small sample size.

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Posted: 01/04/2013 7:52 PM

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zitoforpres wrote: records in one run games is purely luck.

texas collapsing down the stretch was unlucky and a small sample size.

Their 13 and 2 start was luck and a small sample size.
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