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Trading for J. Upton part 2

Posted: 01/03/2013 6:54 PM

Trading for J. Upton part 2 


Since Towers has no clue how to do his job, and is pissing off Upton again
How about.

Reddick, Weeks, Gray for Upton?
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Posted: 01/03/2013 6:56 PM

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Since Towers has no clue how to do his job, and is pissing off Upton again
How about.

Reddick, Weeks, Gray for Upton?

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Yes I love that offer, let's hope we can do it.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 7:07 PM

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Posted: 01/03/2013 8:18 PM

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id have no problem putting reddick in a stanton or upton offer.

plus if you still have choice waiting for his chance, his upside is alot like reddick.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 8:55 PM

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Man I love Reddick. 

But if it takes him to land an Upton or Stanton, there is no choice but to pull the trigger.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 9:03 PM

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zitoforpres wrote: Since Towers has no clue how to do his job, and is pissing off Upton again
How about.

Reddick, Weeks, Gray for Upton?
do you have a twitter? i would follow you. lol.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 3:58 AM

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The whole reason the Dbacks are looking to deal Upton is because they have a glut of outfielders. Why in the world would they want Reddick in a deal? That doesn't solve their outfield logjam. My guess is they would want a prospect laden deal something along the lines of Straily, Choice and Cole. The Mariners certainly seem like a good fit since they have the likes of Zunino, Franklin, Hultzen, Walker and Paxton to move.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 5:32 AM

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Reddick can play CF and is much better than Eaton.
Upton, Ross and Kubel can't play CF.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 7:40 AM

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Ross?! That's funny. Eric Byrnes 2

He's a part of a platoon.

They shouldn't trade Upton, but considering Towers LOVES bullpen arms, perhaps a combo of any 3 Pen arms they like for Upton?
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Posted: 01/04/2013 7:57 AM

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Well, at least your "Upton Part Deux" trade proposal doesn't include Cespedes, Milone AND Gray this time around.... But I wouldn't part with Josh either who had a solid season and shows upside if he can eliminate second half struggles. Still not sure why the fascination for a player that his own team that sees him every day doesn't seem to like too much. This A's current outfield is set and scary good as is...
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Posted: 01/04/2013 8:22 AM

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I'd be for a Stanton deal but not for an Upton deal.

And I'm not particularly high on dealing Reddick under any circumstances.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 8:35 AM

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I like Reddick. I like the defense, intensity and emotion he brings to the A's. But his bat was exposed in the 2nd half and we won in spite of his offense being so poor.

The question is will he adjust this year? I would love to say yes and keep him but i think his plate approach is flawed as he tried pulling everything to hit HRs. I don't see him changing that approach. if the right package comes along, i would have to pull the trigger.
BigJ7489 wrote: I'd be for a Stanton deal but not for an Upton deal.

And I'm not particularly high on dealing Reddick under any circumstances.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 9:03 AM

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I like how anytime someone struggles for half a season, they are "exposed" and can only get worse (Reddick, Strailly, Weeks etc). Adjustments and bounce-back seasons have been known to happen and you would hope they don't happen on another team. I'd like to see another half season of data before doing anything drastic with our best 1st/2nd year players.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 9:21 AM

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The three teams I can see J. Upton playing for in 2013, in reverse order:

3. Rangers
2. Braves
1. Diamondbacks

So bring your good times and your laughter too
We're gonna celebrate and party with you
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Posted: 01/04/2013 10:51 AM

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nice post.
i don't have much faith in Reddick being able to put up a good OBP or not show platoon stats. Never was a great prospect and is quite flawed.Could be a great sell high to a GM who traded the Baueroutage for Gregorio Petit.

Reddick, Gray, Cook is probably fair from both sides.
Stomper23 wrote: I like Reddick. I like the defense, intensity and emotion he brings to the A's. But his bat was exposed in the 2nd half and we won in spite of his offense being so poor.

The question is will he adjust this year? I would love to say yes and keep him but i think his plate approach is flawed as he tried pulling everything to hit HRs. I don't see him changing that approach. if the right package comes along, i would have to pull the trigger.
BigJ7489 wrote: I'd be for a Stanton deal but not for an Upton deal.

And I'm not particularly high on dealing Reddick under any circumstances.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 11:10 AM

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The hardest part about trading Reddick is his play and personality personified everything about this team last year. His year end line was pretty similar to his career line, so I don't think he was exposed except for being exposed as a streaky player both good and bad. He can show sharp improvement as a hitter by just becoming more disciplined during his slumps, and he'll only be 26 next year. His defense doesn't need any discussion. He plays the best RF in baseball.

That all said, Stanton and Upton are two of the few (Harper, Heyward would also be in that group) I would consider trading him for talent-wise. Upton should be an upgrade, but I don't think he has anywhere near the range defensively as Reddick. He does have considerable more upside offensively though. If the cost is only Weeks and Gray for the potential upgrade in the bat, it's probably worth it from a talent perspective.

From a cost perspective though, it's an big time $$$ addition that I'm not sure they can handle without including Coco and/or Balfour. Reddick is cost controlled for another 4 seasons and is a candidate for an extension to buy out his arb years. Upton, is under contract till '15 at a friendly deal for a star level talent, but it's still a massive amount for the A's. Money considered, I don't think it makes sense to go after Upton right now. Unless of course Lew/Fisher are willing to bump up the total budget. Not just the single year payroll, but the overall budget for baseball talent for the next 5 years. I don't want them trading off Anderson in a separate deal to acquire a expensive marginal upgrade in the OF now.

Stanton though...........

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Posted: 01/04/2013 11:28 AM

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problem is that it is nearly impossible to change your approach as a hitter as the mlb level.

emotional connection for whatever reason, selling high on Reddick would be fantastic.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 11:48 AM

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Last year was awesome, but last year was last year.  Gomes, Inge and McCarthy are already gone, so a lot of the "emotional core" has already left.

Reddick is a lot of fun, plays great D and is a decent bat.  But, if Reddick can help net a Stanton/Upton, you have to do it.  You can't count on all the extra stuff going your way every year, so you have to continue to stockpile talent that can help overcome times when the other extra things aren't pulling you along.

That being said, I agree that a ML OF is not what Arizona is looking for.  Reddick would prob be worth more to Miami
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Posted: 01/04/2013 11:55 AM

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Justin Upton has a much longer record of above-average major league performance and yet is still younger than Reddick.

Mitigating against that is that Reddick has significantly better defensive range and Upton is currently much more expensive and will soon be even more expensive.

You only make this deal if you believe Upton's about to break out as a true superstar. Even though he's still young, his lack of upward trend concerns me on that score. It would be a risk, as Upton has only produced more value than Reddick's 2012 in one season of his career and is much more expensive.

I'd be more sure of Upton producing above-average value in 2013 than Reddick, but probably not enough to be willing to pay Upton a lot more money on a salary-constrained team.

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Posted: 01/04/2013 12:26 PM

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I wouldn't trade Reddick for Upton straight up let alone throw in extra prospects. Upton is owed $38M over the next 3 years. Reddick will make just over $500K this year and will be cheap for 3 years after that. Upton is the better hitter but, not by a ton, which is what he would need to do to justify the difference in salary. You can't just look at raw numbers because Arizona is a hitter's park and Oakland is a pitcher's park. In Oakland, Upton is probably an .800 OPS hitter. Unless you think Reddick is a sub-.700 OPS hitter, that trade would be a bad one for the A's. Even then a Young/Smith platoon probably outhits Upton with Cespedes moving to RF and all those dollars better spent elsewhere.

Again, I don't get why people keep suggesting trades for OF when they're loaded with solid and better OF options and the entire IF is manned by a group of suspects. The 2013 season really hinges on the IF not coming anywhere close to it's full suckage potential.
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