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A'S ask for 5 year lease in Oakland

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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:40 PM

A'S ask for 5 year lease in Oakland 


At the end of the 2012 regular season, the Chronicle’s Matier and Ross wrote that the Coliseum Authority sent A’s owner Lew Wolff terms of a five year lease extension at the Coliseum. The purported catch was a $50 million exit fee should the A’s leave early for San Jose. Now the LA Times’ Bill Shaikin reports that Wolff has sent a letter to the Coliseum Authority (JPA) asking for – that’s right – a five year extension.

In a letter to the body that governs the Coliseum, A’s owner Lew Wolff agreed to keep the team in Oakland for at least five years “regardless of the outcome of our efforts to obtain a new facility in the City of San Jose.”


In the world of stadium negotiations, these are chess moves. It’s important to try to look multiple steps ahead. There are a lot of ways this could play out, though there is a complicating factor which I’ll get to in a bit.


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Last edited 12/21/2012 5:43 PM by Granma

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Posted: 12/21/2012 7:36 PM

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:07 PM

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The difference is the A's want a normal lease that they can buy out.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:27 PM

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Just send Balfour into City Hall and threaten to let him go into full-fledged Balfour Rage mode if they don't give them favorable terms
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Posted: 12/22/2012 5:36 AM

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I don't think the A's have that much leverage here at all. As much as Oakland wants to keep the jobs that Wolff promotes, *IF* the A's to SJ is a done deal at some point,  Oakland will be losing a lot more than just the jobs and money they receive for the lease.

The letter is coming from an owner that:

1. In the past and in that actual letter, says that they plan to move to SJ.
2. Said he will not look into Oakland anymore at all.

I think the JPA has the right to get the deal that they want out of this. The A's are refusing to discuss Oakland as an option, and have refused to discuss options with anyone in Oakland, FOR YEARS. If he's hellbent on moving, they must get what they feel is fair, especially if the A's are moving. While the A's have had to deal with the renovated Mt. Davis version stadium, they have had sweetheart deals since. They pay VERY VERY little to play there and they get money from the Raiders concessions as well. Again, as bad as they think that stadium is, they are making money hand over fist with this operation.

Where the hell would they go if they don't work out the Coli?
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Posted: 12/22/2012 8:40 AM

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Posted: 12/22/2012 8:42 AM

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Good. I hope we stay in Oakland and continue to field teams as exciting as last year's.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 9:16 AM

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asch1 wrote:

Where the hell would they go if they don't work out the Coli?
Vegas, baby! How awesome was that?

Perhaps seeing a major league team homeless would spur Bud's Blue Ribbon Commission into action? Hahahaha, I say crazy things early in the morning....

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Posted: 12/22/2012 9:45 AM

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asch1 wrote: I don't think the A's have that much leverage here at all. As much as Oakland wants to keep the jobs that Wolff promotes, *IF* the A's to SJ is a done deal at some point,  Oakland will be losing a lot more than just the jobs and money they receive for the lease.

The letter is coming from an owner that:

1. In the past and in that actual letter, says that they plan to move to SJ.
2. Said he will not look into Oakland anymore at all.

I think the JPA has the right to get the deal that they want out of this. The A's are refusing to discuss Oakland as an option, and have refused to discuss options with anyone in Oakland, FOR YEARS. If he's hellbent on moving, they must get what they feel is fair, especially if the A's are moving. While the A's have had to deal with the renovated Mt. Davis version stadium, they have had sweetheart deals since. They pay VERY VERY little to play there and they get money from the Raiders concessions as well. Again, as bad as they think that stadium is, they are making money hand over fist with this operation.

Where the hell would they go if they don't work out the Coli?
Agree.  Also, Wolff NEVER seriously looked for a site in Oakland.  Guess he figures as long as he keeps saying it, people will start believing him.  Can never trust carpetbaggers.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 9:51 AM

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I haven't seen a holiday A's caravan this year, was there one?
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Posted: 12/22/2012 10:14 AM

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At first I thought this was bad news, with the whole thing dragging out for another five years without resolution. Then I realized that given my age, and the slow-as-snails rate at which MLB is solving the question of a new home for the A's, I'll be dead before anything happens.  It's not my problem to worry about anymore.

Of course, Wolff and Selig will also be dead before the question is settled. Make of that what you will.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 11:49 AM

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I hope they stay for 5, and then another 50 afterwards. And then more.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 12:11 PM

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I hope this sparks up yet another Oakland vs San Jose debate.  Haven't had one of those in a while.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 1:47 PM

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The lease offer was idiotic, nobody would ever sign such a deal and it unnecessarily increases the level of animosity. Oakland can't force the A's to stay and the lease offer isn't based on any opportunity cost Oakland incurs it is just a middle finger. In fact it provides additional evidence for the A's that dealing with Oakland is impossible and they should be allowed to move. In that sense the A's should be thanking Oakland for the offer.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 4:52 PM

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The A's organization, for the past (3) admins (as Lew stated in his letter) say they haven't receive any viable options from Oakland. That is a loaded statement - as during those (3) admins, the A's organization has not once, made a concerted effort to make anything work in Oakland (and really, why would they - they have had no intent to stay).

But what has bit them in the a$$, is that they probably figured something would be in place for them to move to SJ (or elsewhere) by now. And they were wrong. They are now totally f*ck3d and have lost some leverage. As the organization has been bending the city and A's fans over a barrel with their threats to move, the JPA has the opportunity to now set certain stipulations they want. Nothing wrong with that is there? Why would there be? The A's are / have been doing the EXACT same thing.

The A's have played basically rent free for 15+ years and make money hand over fist, all while threatening to leave and denigrating their own fanbase. They totally miscalculated their timing to skip town and they are now in a tight spot. They can work it out with Oakland, and actually have a "real" lease (now that they have officially come out and stated they do not intend to talk to Oakland about Oakland as a permanent home) - and the JPA/Oakland has the right to negotiate terms that they deem fair.

Where else do the A's go? Sure, they WILL find a temporary home if it doesn't work out in Oakland until they can skip town. I am sure they will come to an agreement, but I am also sure the A's are unhappy that they will actually have to pony up and take it on the chin for the first time in a while. Just how it goes.
joshbalt wrote: The lease offer was idiotic, nobody would ever sign such a deal and it unnecessarily increases the level of animosity. Oakland can't force the A's to stay and the lease offer isn't based on any opportunity cost Oakland incurs it is just a middle finger. In fact it provides additional evidence for the A's that dealing with Oakland is impossible and they should be allowed to move. In that sense the A's should be thanking Oakland for the offer.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:22 AM

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2018 would have made it 10 years since Fremont collapsed and 14 years since Wolff joined the A's and still no stadium.

What will we expect in the next 5? More profitable mediocrity until something magical happens?  For those of us who just want a new stadium regardless of location when do we start to accept that after 14 years of nothing Wolff could be part of the problem and not the solution.  Do we continue to accept "wait and whine" as a solid strategy  Do we require more transparency from A's ownership that yes they have something put together.  So far all Wolff has told us publicly is "trust me"  After 14 years that looses much of its original weight. 

After 14 years of of stadium promises but no delivery its quite obvious that Wolff hasn't produced a solid enough plan that could either settle with the giants or even convince the rest of MLB to let this happen.

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Posted: 12/26/2012 2:24 PM

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The JPA has some leverage in that the A's don't want to locate elsewhere before their presumed move to San Jose but there are still many leverage points held by the A's, that the JPA really has no alternative tenant for 90%+ of the dates the A's use the facility (so they would be forgoing whatever revenue stream they would receive), that the A's use of the facility does generate jobs the area can't afford to lose, and that if the A's do leave for whatever temporary location they find its completely over for Oakland as a location. One could argue that forcing this situation might actually be the best way to force MLB to act on San Jose as if the A's were located in a place such as Las Vegas (the last temporary home of the A's) MLB would incur large costs for additional revenue sharing to the A's given the local revenue stream of the franchise would shrink further, and I don't think the politics would sustain having an MLB franchise in such a location on an extended basis.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 4:19 PM

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joshbalt wrote: The JPA has some leverage in that the A's don't want to locate elsewhere before their presumed move to San Jose but there are still many leverage points held by the A's, that the JPA really has no alternative tenant for 90%+ of the dates the A's use the facility (so they would be forgoing whatever revenue stream they would receive), that the A's use of the facility does generate jobs the area can't afford to lose, and that if the A's do leave for whatever temporary location they find its completely over for Oakland as a location. One could argue that forcing this situation might actually be the best way to force MLB to act on San Jose as if the A's were located in a place such as Las Vegas (the last temporary home of the A's) MLB would incur large costs for additional revenue sharing to the A's given the local revenue stream of the franchise would shrink further, and I don't think the politics would sustain having an MLB franchise in such a location on an extended basis.
This is a very good and valid post.
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